Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by Kolohe:
If we can't agree on that, then continuing to argue about Jimmy is pointless.

Mack gave up pressure on that INT in the RZ, Jimmy escaped it and then threw a poorly thrown ball that should have been thrown away on 1st down IMO. People gotta realize there's gonna be pressure at this point in the playoffs, gotta be able to move around and extend plays...Jimmy has actually done more of that this yr which is great to see, but that play he needed to think smarter. Kinda the same thing in the Dallas game.

Live to fight another down, especially when it's 1st/2nd down.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by ritz126:
the GB games were horrible conditions no cuts so no explosive plays kinda telling only explosive play was on a complete coverage breakdown. We wouldve had one if it werent for a drop but that was before conditions got even worse (around Q2)

we will see what happens against the rams they have a star D in the front 4 and Jalen Ramsey.

Yeah I get that. He's thrown one TD in 3 weeks though. Deebo has as many passing TDs. I mean if he's not gonna throw a bunch of TDs, he's gotta take care of the ball better, I'd like to see better situational football from him there.

We will see, I like Jimmy vs the Rams...he's a middle of the field timing passing QB and they're awful up the middle.

I agree, but I think it could also be that this offense is required to be highly efficient in minimal opportunities. Think the only way we see gunslinger Jimmy in the zone like he was in 2017 and that bundle of games in 2019 is if Kyle goes shotgun no huddle from the start of the game or in spurts during the game. THAT is when Jimmy be like, "Oh, you handing it over, Let's f**ken Go, Baby!!"

But we all know that considering the high powered teams we are playing, we will not go a fast paced style and make the game longer, unless there is no other option.

Originally posted by Joecool:
I agree, but I think it could also be that this offense is required to be highly efficient in minimal opportunities. Think the only way we see gunslinger Jimmy in the zone like he was in 2017 and that bundle of games in 2019 is if Kyle goes shotgun no huddle from the start of the game or in spurts during the game. THAT is when Jimmy be like, "Oh, you handing it over, Let's f**ken Go, Baby!!"

But we all know that considering the high powered teams we are playing, we will not go a fast paced style and make the game longer, unless there is no other option.

FWIW Jimmy was in shotgun when he threw both his INTs in the playoffs.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Can we agree that the oline probably had one of their worst performances in awhile in that green bay game? Specifically with pass pro?

That right side wasn't great...like others said weather affected everything. Saw that on the GB side too.

Laken Tomlinson was constantly getting beat in Green Bay.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
kyle is 6-28 without jimbo

carry on

Clutch winner!

So why are we getting rid of Jimmy then and not Kyle?

We haven't yet. He's still a 49er.

Still a possibility he isn't moved this offseason too, specially if he wins a Lombardi. We still have to see.

Also the argument is flawed. The eagles got rid of Foles and kept Pedersen. That overall didn't pan out well.

Thats a good point. Clearly the team has good chemistry with Jimmy. You want to keep that intact as long as you can, for sure. Kyle has designed the offense perfectly around Jimmys strengths and weaknesses.

The most sensible thing is to move Jimmy though, and I'm a big fan of Jimmy and love his winning percentage. Keep in mind, the other thing is his health. *That's* really why Trey is here now. Jimmy is due for a injury next year. (Every other year he seems to get dinged) and he's not exactly 100% right now either.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
You have argued against any slight praise given for the Green Bay win. Right after the win, that is where you went.

I think you are a smart and good dude and a 49er fan regardless and I like most your points, even if I think you have lost focus on the situation with the team and QB right now.

I don't think he's deserving of a ton of praise for the GB win. I have celebrated the W like everyone else and think that win was more so because of the defense and STs. If you disagree that's fine. Like Others have said weather played a part too.

I have no problem being pumped where this team is/celebrating that, respecting the hell out of everyone on the team(including Jimmy) and realizing that the main dude, our QB, isn't playing amazing football right now...if we can get by with our QB throwing more INTs then TDs and avg like 150 yards a game, so be it. I think we might need a little more of him to go all the way.

We will see!

Can we agree that the oline probably had one of their worst performances in awhile in that green bay game? Specifically with pass pro?

Still Rodgers was sacked and harassed more than Jimmy. The O lines were probably having trouble with their footing in that game so I'm not surprised.

Jimmy was sacked 4 times on 23 dropbacks, or on 17% of his dropbacks and according to pro football reference was under pressure on 39.1% of his dropbacks.

Rodgers was sacked 5 times on 34 dropbacks or 14.7% and according to the same source was pressured on 26.5% of his dropbacks.

Jimmy was hit 3 times, Rodgers 1.

No, Rodgers wasn't getting pressured and harassed more. Not saying this is you, but some people have this lense they see Garoppolo with vs other qb's and act like Jimmy does less under better circumstances.

GB's defense came to play. They had their best defense in years, Kenny Clark was a monster all game and we struggled separating from man-coverage.

Just think about how dominant our defense and pass rush seemed Jimmy was under more pressure and had fewer guys open. Think about that.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Still doesn't make sense to me. If Kyle is so bad without Jimmy, obviously he's the issue and Jimmy should get an extension.

I think there's trepidation there. At least for me. Not in the sense that you don't believe in Trey but we don't know what Trey is yet. You know what Jimmy is and what the team can do with him and it's miles ahead of what we've done without him.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
kyle is 6-28 without jimbo

carry on

Clutch winner!

So why are we getting rid of Jimmy then and not Kyle?

We haven't yet. He's still a 49er.

Still a possibility he isn't moved this offseason too, specially if he wins a Lombardi. We still have to see.

Still doesn't make sense to me. If Kyle is so bad without Jimmy, obviously he's the issue and Jimmy should get an extension.

Kyle Shanahan hasn't exactly made the playoffs every year he's had Jimmy either, and that's more due to Jimmy's health versus Jimmy's winning percentage.

I'm ok keeping or moving Jimmy. Kyles been to the super bowl with two different QBs. I think he's a good enough coach to get there with a 3rd different QB - and what a raw but abundantly gifted QB we have waiting in the wings with Trey.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
kyle is 6-28 without jimbo

carry on

Clutch winner!

So why are we getting rid of Jimmy then and not Kyle?

We haven't yet. He's still a 49er.

Still a possibility he isn't moved this offseason too, specially if he wins a Lombardi. We still have to see.

Still doesn't make sense to me. If Kyle is so bad without Jimmy, obviously he's the issue and Jimmy should get an extension.

Kyle Shanahan hasn't exactly made the playoffs every year he's had Jimmy either, and that's more due to Jimmy's health versus Jimmy's winning percentage.

I'm ok keeping or moving Jimmy. Kyles been to the super bowl with two different QBs. I think he's a good enough coach to get there with a 3rd different QB - and what a raw but abundantly gifted QB we have waiting in the wings with Trey.

no doubt

we may keep Jimmy if we win the SB though and just not resign him after next year. I know a lot of people may be upset with that but that may be the right move also i think he plays a lot better without the injuries if he was fully healthy i have a lot more confidence in general in our offense

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Can we agree that the oline probably had one of their worst performances in awhile in that green bay game? Specifically with pass pro?

That right side wasn't great...like others said weather affected everything. Saw that on the GB side too.

Laken Tomlinson was constantly getting beat in Green Bay.

It was like that in week 3 also. Their front 7 matches up well with our o line. Fortunate for us our d line matches up well with their o line also. Add in the weather conditions and the game turned out about how you'd think it should.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Can we agree that the oline probably had one of their worst performances in awhile in that green bay game? Specifically with pass pro?

That right side wasn't great...like others said weather affected everything. Saw that on the GB side too.

Laken Tomlinson was constantly getting beat in Green Bay.

Happened on both teams...I'm assuming weather was a big factor.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
You have argued against any slight praise given for the Green Bay win. Right after the win, that is where you went.

I think you are a smart and good dude and a 49er fan regardless and I like most your points, even if I think you have lost focus on the situation with the team and QB right now.

I don't think he's deserving of a ton of praise for the GB win. I have celebrated the W like everyone else and think that win was more so because of the defense and STs. If you disagree that's fine. Like Others have said weather played a part too.

I have no problem being pumped where this team is/celebrating that, respecting the hell out of everyone on the team(including Jimmy) and realizing that the main dude, our QB, isn't playing amazing football right now...if we can get by with our QB throwing more INTs then TDs and avg like 150 yards a game, so be it. I think we might need a little more of him to go all the way.

We will see!

Can we agree that the oline probably had one of their worst performances in awhile in that green bay game? Specifically with pass pro?

Still Rodgers was sacked and harassed more than Jimmy. The O lines were probably having trouble with their footing in that game so I'm not surprised.

Jimmy was sacked 4 times on 23 dropbacks, or on 17% of his dropbacks and according to pro football reference was under pressure on 39.1% of his dropbacks.

Rodgers was sacked 5 times on 34 dropbacks or 14.7% and according to the same source was pressured on 26.5% of his dropbacks.

Jimmy was hit 3 times, Rodgers 1.

No, Rodgers wasn't getting pressured and harassed more. Not saying this is you, but some people have this lense they see Garoppolo with vs other qb's and act like Jimmy does less under better circumstances.

GB's defense came to play. They had their best defense in years, Kenny Clark was a monster all game and we struggled separating from man-coverage.

Just think about how dominant our defense and pass rush seemed Jimmy was under more pressure and had fewer guys open. Think about that.

Sometimes I feel like crazy person when people aren't seeing how little time Jimmy has specifically with the limited number of dropbacks he had.

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
kyle is 6-28 without jimbo

carry on

Clutch winner!

So why are we getting rid of Jimmy then and not Kyle?

We haven't yet. He's still a 49er.

Still a possibility he isn't moved this offseason too, specially if he wins a Lombardi. We still have to see.

Still doesn't make sense to me. If Kyle is so bad without Jimmy, obviously he's the issue and Jimmy should get an extension.

Kyle Shanahan hasn't exactly made the playoffs every year he's had Jimmy either, and that's more due to Jimmy's health versus Jimmy's winning percentage.

I'm ok keeping or moving Jimmy. Kyles been to the super bowl with two different QBs. I think he's a good enough coach to get there with a 3rd different QB - and what a raw but abundantly gifted QB we have waiting in the wings with Trey.

no doubt

we may keep Jimmy if we win the SB though and just not resign him after next year. I know a lot of people may be upset with that but that may be the right move also i think he plays a lot better without the injuries if he was fully healthy i have a lot more confidence in general in our offense

By this point. I'd be shocked if we keep him and the only way we do it is either by adding a void year to lower his cap figure or an extension to eye a trade. There's no way you just let him walk after another year. We have a chance to get a really nice return for him in draft capital. You don't just let him play out his contract and hit FA.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
You have argued against any slight praise given for the Green Bay win. Right after the win, that is where you went.

I think you are a smart and good dude and a 49er fan regardless and I like most your points, even if I think you have lost focus on the situation with the team and QB right now.

I don't think he's deserving of a ton of praise for the GB win. I have celebrated the W like everyone else and think that win was more so because of the defense and STs. If you disagree that's fine. Like Others have said weather played a part too.

I have no problem being pumped where this team is/celebrating that, respecting the hell out of everyone on the team(including Jimmy) and realizing that the main dude, our QB, isn't playing amazing football right now...if we can get by with our QB throwing more INTs then TDs and avg like 150 yards a game, so be it. I think we might need a little more of him to go all the way.

We will see!

Can we agree that the oline probably had one of their worst performances in awhile in that green bay game? Specifically with pass pro?

Still Rodgers was sacked and harassed more than Jimmy. The O lines were probably having trouble with their footing in that game so I'm not surprised.

Jimmy was sacked 4 times on 23 dropbacks, or on 17% of his dropbacks and according to pro football reference was under pressure on 39.1% of his dropbacks.

Rodgers was sacked 5 times on 34 dropbacks or 14.7% and according to the same source was pressured on 26.5% of his dropbacks.

Jimmy was hit 3 times, Rodgers 1.

No, Rodgers wasn't getting pressured and harassed more. Not saying this is you, but some people have this lense they see Garoppolo with vs other qb's and act like Jimmy does less under better circumstances.

GB's defense came to play. They had their best defense in years, Kenny Clark was a monster all game and we struggled separating from man-coverage.

Just think about how dominant our defense and pass rush seemed Jimmy was under more pressure and had fewer guys open. Think about that.

Kenny Clark reminded me a bit of Gabe Wilkins back in the '90s when Steve would play the Pack. Dude was a tree stump in the middle of thre field, impossible to move, and was a decent pass rusher too. He stuffed every run to the middle the 49ers called that day. Man that was heartbreaking.

Jimmy G sucks because he didn't put up god stats in s**tty weather, real QBs like Aaron Rodgers would've had a field day no problem….oh wait