Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Silky:
I think Acho makes a really good point and sums up this entire thread. Starting at the 4:25 mark

Wow, so refreshing of an assessment. Soooooooo much more to QBing, especially in this system, than just the salient tangibles.

Yeah this was a great exchange and explanation of the intangibles that QB's (and all positions) must have to be successful.

Love those comments!

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Silky:
I think Acho makes a really good point and sums up this entire thread. Starting at the 4:25 mark

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Wow, so refreshing of an assessment. Soooooooo much more to QBing, especially in this system, than just the salient tangibles.

Yeah this was a great exchange and explanation of the intangibles that QB's (and all positions) must have to be successful.

This video was amazing. These dudes actually took time to think rather than just pointing out the same garbage everyone else has said 1000x's

And so many times the focus by some of our fans is on what Jimmy can't do or doesn't do. It's those same people always looking for the negative whether they'll ever be honest enough to admit it or whether they even are completely aware that they do it.

It's like at the end of the day I don't care and it doesn't matter that he threw an interception toward the end of the first half when he had to avoid pressure and he made an ill advised throw without his feet set and the throw was picked. I mean it mattered in that moment. I'm not going to say that it didn't,. But then at the end of the game after Aaron Rodgers goes three and out, Jimmy hits two or three completions, hits Deebo and Kittle, Deebo does his thing converting the third down on the run and we win the game.

Yet there are still people who want to say, "He can't throw that interception next week. He can't throw those almost interceptions next week." "We can't have bad Jimmy and we need him gone ASAP." After we won no less.

Russell Wilson had that 4 interception game against the Packers in the playoffs. Yet while that's remembered, what's ultimately remembered is that Seattle wound up winning that game with Wilson throwing the winning touchdown pass as well.

You can always go back and say, "If he hadn't messed up earlier than he wouldn't have had to pull it out at the end. But if he pulls it out at the end, for most of us it doesn't matter what happened earlier.

And now keep in mind I'm saying this as someone who wasn't watching the game, was working and following it on my phone, and was saying maybe put Trey Lance in for the second half because it's win or go home and the offense isn't getting done with Jimmy.

I think once he's gone no matter how he plays and who he plays for, there will be a much greater appreciation for what Jimmy Garoppolo did here whether Trey Lance becomes one of the next great quarterbacks or whether he does not.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
You have argued against any slight praise given for the Green Bay win. Right after the win, that is where you went.

I think you are a smart and good dude and a 49er fan regardless and I like most your points, even if I think you have lost focus on the situation with the team and QB right now.

I don't think he's deserving of a ton of praise for the GB win. I have celebrated the W like everyone else and think that win was more so because of the defense and STs. If you disagree that's fine. Like Others have said weather played a part too.

I have no problem being pumped where this team is/celebrating that, respecting the hell out of everyone on the team(including Jimmy) and realizing that the main dude, our QB, isn't playing amazing football right now...if we can get by with our QB throwing more INTs then TDs and avg like 150 yards a game, so be it. I think we might need a little more of him to go all the way.

We will see!

Can we agree that the oline probably had one of their worst performances in awhile in that green bay game? Specifically with pass pro?

Still Rodgers was sacked and harassed more than Jimmy. The O lines were probably having trouble with their footing in that game so I'm not surprised.

Jimmy was sacked 4 times on 23 dropbacks, or on 17% of his dropbacks and according to pro football reference was under pressure on 39.1% of his dropbacks.

Rodgers was sacked 5 times on 34 dropbacks or 14.7% and according to the same source was pressured on 26.5% of his dropbacks.

Jimmy was hit 3 times, Rodgers 1.

No, Rodgers wasn't getting pressured and harassed more. Not saying this is you, but some people have this lense they see Garoppolo with vs other qb's and act like Jimmy does less under better circumstances.

GB's defense came to play. They had their best defense in years, Kenny Clark was a monster all game and we struggled separating from man-coverage.

Just think about how dominant our defense and pass rush seemed Jimmy was under more pressure and had fewer guys open. Think about that.

I disagree that he was under more pressure. Rodgers avoided getting hit by being able to move better. In that weather neither QB was going to be able to do much anyway. I stated on another post that despite some drops i was amazed that the receivers were able to catch the ball as well as they did.

That's now how it works. If Rodgers had to move to avoid getting hit, it will still register as a pressure. Rodgers was pressured 9 times on 34 dropbacks, Jimmy 9 times on 23 dropbacks.

For the pressure to be equal, Jimmy would've had to have taken 11 more dropbacks with zero pressure.

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If you go by PFF numbers...

Rodgers: 12 pressures on 34 dropbacks (35%)
Jimmy: 11 pressures on 23 dropbacks (48%)

50% seems right

I felt like Compton was getting beat on every snap

So does this mean Jimmy is a better QB than Rodgers?

It means he was better than Aaron Rodgers when it counted last Saturday night.

Originally posted by mayo49:
Come on, Jimmy - have a game.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
You have argued against any slight praise given for the Green Bay win. Right after the win, that is where you went.

I think you are a smart and good dude and a 49er fan regardless and I like most your points, even if I think you have lost focus on the situation with the team and QB right now.

I don't think he's deserving of a ton of praise for the GB win. I have celebrated the W like everyone else and think that win was more so because of the defense and STs. If you disagree that's fine. Like Others have said weather played a part too.

I have no problem being pumped where this team is/celebrating that, respecting the hell out of everyone on the team(including Jimmy) and realizing that the main dude, our QB, isn't playing amazing football right now...if we can get by with our QB throwing more INTs then TDs and avg like 150 yards a game, so be it. I think we might need a little more of him to go all the way.

We will see!

Can we agree that the oline probably had one of their worst performances in awhile in that green bay game? Specifically with pass pro?

Still Rodgers was sacked and harassed more than Jimmy. The O lines were probably having trouble with their footing in that game so I'm not surprised.

Jimmy was sacked 4 times on 23 dropbacks, or on 17% of his dropbacks and according to pro football reference was under pressure on 39.1% of his dropbacks.

Rodgers was sacked 5 times on 34 dropbacks or 14.7% and according to the same source was pressured on 26.5% of his dropbacks.

Jimmy was hit 3 times, Rodgers 1.

No, Rodgers wasn't getting pressured and harassed more. Not saying this is you, but some people have this lense they see Garoppolo with vs other qb's and act like Jimmy does less under better circumstances.

GB's defense came to play. They had their best defense in years, Kenny Clark was a monster all game and we struggled separating from man-coverage.

Just think about how dominant our defense and pass rush seemed Jimmy was under more pressure and had fewer guys open. Think about that.

I disagree that he was under more pressure. Rodgers avoided getting hit by being able to move better. In that weather neither QB was going to be able to do much anyway. I stated on another post that despite some drops i was amazed that the receivers were able to catch the ball as well as they did.

That's now how it works. If Rodgers had to move to avoid getting hit, it will still register as a pressure. Rodgers was pressured 9 times on 34 dropbacks, Jimmy 9 times on 23 dropbacks.

For the pressure to be equal, Jimmy would've had to have taken 11 more dropbacks with zero pressure.

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If you go by PFF numbers...

Rodgers: 12 pressures on 34 dropbacks (35%)
Jimmy: 11 pressures on 23 dropbacks (48%)

50% seems right

I felt like Compton was getting beat on every snap

So does this mean Jimmy is a better QB than Rodgers?

Yes.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
You have argued against any slight praise given for the Green Bay win. Right after the win, that is where you went.

I think you are a smart and good dude and a 49er fan regardless and I like most your points, even if I think you have lost focus on the situation with the team and QB right now.

I don't think he's deserving of a ton of praise for the GB win. I have celebrated the W like everyone else and think that win was more so because of the defense and STs. If you disagree that's fine. Like Others have said weather played a part too.

I have no problem being pumped where this team is/celebrating that, respecting the hell out of everyone on the team(including Jimmy) and realizing that the main dude, our QB, isn't playing amazing football right now...if we can get by with our QB throwing more INTs then TDs and avg like 150 yards a game, so be it. I think we might need a little more of him to go all the way.

We will see!

Can we agree that the oline probably had one of their worst performances in awhile in that green bay game? Specifically with pass pro?

Still Rodgers was sacked and harassed more than Jimmy. The O lines were probably having trouble with their footing in that game so I'm not surprised.

Jimmy was sacked 4 times on 23 dropbacks, or on 17% of his dropbacks and according to pro football reference was under pressure on 39.1% of his dropbacks.

Rodgers was sacked 5 times on 34 dropbacks or 14.7% and according to the same source was pressured on 26.5% of his dropbacks.

Jimmy was hit 3 times, Rodgers 1.

No, Rodgers wasn't getting pressured and harassed more. Not saying this is you, but some people have this lense they see Garoppolo with vs other qb's and act like Jimmy does less under better circumstances.

GB's defense came to play. They had their best defense in years, Kenny Clark was a monster all game and we struggled separating from man-coverage.

Just think about how dominant our defense and pass rush seemed Jimmy was under more pressure and had fewer guys open. Think about that.

I disagree that he was under more pressure. Rodgers avoided getting hit by being able to move better. In that weather neither QB was going to be able to do much anyway. I stated on another post that despite some drops i was amazed that the receivers were able to catch the ball as well as they did.

That's now how it works. If Rodgers had to move to avoid getting hit, it will still register as a pressure. Rodgers was pressured 9 times on 34 dropbacks, Jimmy 9 times on 23 dropbacks.

For the pressure to be equal, Jimmy would've had to have taken 11 more dropbacks with zero pressure.

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If you go by PFF numbers...

Rodgers: 12 pressures on 34 dropbacks (35%)
Jimmy: 11 pressures on 23 dropbacks (48%)

50% seems right

I felt like Compton was getting beat on every snap

So does this mean Jimmy is a better QB than Rodgers?

In this game he was.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
By this point. I'd be shocked if we keep him and the only way we do it is either by adding a void year to lower his cap figure or an extension to eye a trade. There's no way you just let him walk after another year. We have a chance to get a really nice return for him in draft capital. You don't just let him play out his contract and hit FA.

It's not just that. The money we get from trading him allows us to put together a better supporting cast next year around Trey than Jimmy has this year.

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I couldn't agree more. He's gone.

Should be a Super Bowl lock with an improved roster.

No question.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Silky:
I think Acho makes a really good point and sums up this entire thread. Starting at the 4:25 mark

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Wow, so refreshing of an assessment. Soooooooo much more to QBing, especially in this system, than just the salient tangibles.

Yeah this was a great exchange and explanation of the intangibles that QB's (and all positions) must have to be successful.

Love those comments!

The key was about how his mental intelligence and coolness are infectious among the team. George Kittle said it. Jimmy's attitude allows the rest of the team to play well.

It is the intangibles that make Jimmy a winner.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by NCommand:
LMAO. You need to go back and watch the game again. Our entire OL collapsed and there is no lane or avenue to step up into. Then, go watch Rodgers pass protection. When his pass protection failed, he more often than not still had lanes or room to step up or out too. He's just slow as hell now esp. in that weather.

Are you saying Rodgers is slow or Jimmy? I can't tell from your post. I know Jimmy is slow. Always has been. Rodgers still moves pretty well if he has to.

Rodgers was slow. Not just his age now but even more to do with the field conditions. When Arik Armstead is chasing you down, you're slow. LOL

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He still moves better than Jimmy. Rodgers had 101 yards rushing this year which was his worst of his career since he's been the starter. He 's had that injured toe for several weeks now but he still moves better than Jimmy. For his career, he has 3372 yards (avg 240 per year). Jimmy's best year was 219 when he had 62 yards. Hw=e only has 192 for his career.

So yes Rodgers is slower nw at 36 than he was when he was younger but he still runs better than lead foot Jimmy even with the bad toe.

Oh you're comparing the two. Gotcha. No doubt, Rodgers has been more mobile over his career. That's a different topic though.

You were talking about that game and I was adding the context in there for you. He had opportunities to extend whereas Jimmy didn't have as many of those opportunities if you rewatch the game.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by NCommand:
LMAO. You need to go back and watch the game again. Our entire OL collapsed and there is no lane or avenue to step up into. Then, go watch Rodgers pass protection. When his pass protection failed, he more often than not still had lanes or room to step up or out too. He's just slow as hell now esp. in that weather.

Are you saying Rodgers is slow or Jimmy? I can't tell from your post. I know Jimmy is slow. Always has been. Rodgers still moves pretty well if he has to.

Rodgers was slow. Not just his age now but even more to do with the field conditions. When Arik Armstead is chasing you down, you're slow. LOL

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He still moves better than Jimmy. Rodgers had 101 yards rushing this year which was his worst of his career since he's been the starter. He 's had that injured toe for several weeks now but he still moves better than Jimmy. For his career, he has 3372 yards (avg 240 per year). Jimmy's best year was 219 when he had 62 yards. Hw=e only has 192 for his career.

So yes Rodgers is slower nw at 36 than he was when he was younger but he still runs better than lead foot Jimmy even with the bad toe.

Oh you're comparing the two. Gotcha. No doubt, Rodgers has been more mobile over his career. That's a different topic though.

You were talking about that game and I was adding the context in there for you. He had opportunities to extend whereas Jimmy didn't have as many of those opportunities if you rewatch the game.

There weren't a lot of opportunities for either guy in that game. In the end, that weather played right into the 49ers hands. The team with the better defense was able to shine. It's kind of weird that everyone (including me) thought the weather would be an issue and it was. it turned out to be an issue that the cold weather team couldn't deal with. I heard a guy on the radio this morning say that the Niners have the type of team that a cold weather team like GB should have. Tough. Strong defense. Good running game. Instead they have the finesse passing of Rodgers to Adams, Lazard and Valdes-Scantling.

Kyes offense, unlike McVays and Lafleur's offense is all weather offenses. That's what I like about Kyles offense. Its still a variation of Walsh's WCO, but due to the heavy run component, you can still have an offense in bad weather. Predominantly passing offenses have a tendency to freeze in cold weather. Seen that first hand with Dan Fouts.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Silky:
I think Acho makes a really good point and sums up this entire thread. Starting at the 4:25 mark

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Wow, so refreshing of an assessment. Soooooooo much more to QBing, especially in this system, than just the salient tangibles.

Yeah this was a great exchange and explanation of the intangibles that QB's (and all positions) must have to be successful.

Love those comments!

They forgot to mention in that vid that Bellicheck also drafted Brisset and Stidham lol

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Silky:
I think Acho makes a really good point and sums up this entire thread. Starting at the 4:25 mark

Wow, so refreshing of an assessment. Soooooooo much more to QBing, especially in this system, than just the salient tangibles.

+ Show all quotes
Yeah this was a great exchange and explanation of the intangibles that QB's (and all positions) must have to be successful.

Love those comments!

The key was about how his mental intelligence and coolness are infectious among the team. George Kittle said it. Jimmy's attitude allows the rest of the team to play well.

It is the intangibles that make Jimmy a winner.

Absolutely. Intangibles (assuming the QB can execute all needed passes in a given offensive system he is in) is almost 90% of QBing. Some examples are audibles, telling a WR to cut his routs shorter, be alert of blitzes, telling a player he's line up wrong. Sometimes even calling the plays for the coach if the coach doesn't know what to call etc...

Jimmy is a winner, and for all his physical limitations, he *wins* in Kyles offensive system.

Originally posted by dmax:

Originally posted by Giedi:
I figured you'd say that. That's cool. Trent Dilfer, after all, was also a 49er.

I hope Jimmy does win the super bowl. It would make life a teentsy bit harder for the *Jimmy is average* crowd on the Webzone.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
kyle is 6-28 without jimbo

carry on

Nick mullens, cj bethard, Brian hoyer as qbs
If all he does is win, then why are we going to ship him off at the end of the season?

Carry on

Yup mullens cj and hoyer will never win another game in their careers. Pretty remarkable they had any wins here honestly lmfao. Any starting caliber qb would easily have a winning record with this stacked roster and offensive mastermind

Originally posted by OhioNiner:

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Silky:
I think Acho makes a really good point and sums up this entire thread. Starting at the 4:25 mark

Wow, so refreshing of an assessment. Soooooooo much more to QBing, especially in this system, than just the salient tangibles.

+ Show all quotes
Yeah this was a great exchange and explanation of the intangibles that QB's (and all positions) must have to be successful.

This video was amazing. These dudes actually took time to think rather than just pointing out the same garbage everyone else has said 1000x's

And so many times the focus by some of our fans is on what Jimmy can't do or doesn't do. It's those same people always looking for the negative whether they'll ever be honest enough to admit it or whether they even are completely aware that they do it.

It's like at the end of the day I don't care and it doesn't matter that he threw an interception toward the end of the first half when he had to avoid pressure and he made an ill advised throw without his feet set and the throw was picked. I mean it mattered in that moment. I'm not going to say that it didn't,. But then at the end of the game after Aaron Rodgers goes three and out, Jimmy hits two or three completions, hits Deebo and Kittle, Deebo does his thing converting the third down on the run and we win the game.

Yet there are still people who want to say, "He can't throw that interception next week. He can't throw those almost interceptions next week." "We can't have bad Jimmy and we need him gone ASAP." After we won no less.

Russell Wilson had that 4 interception game against the Packers in the playoffs. Yet while that's remembered, what's ultimately remembered is that Seattle wound up winning that game with Wilson throwing the winning touchdown pass as well.

You can always go back and say, "If he hadn't messed up earlier than he wouldn't have had to pull it out at the end. But if he pulls it out at the end, for most of us it doesn't matter what happened earlier.

And now keep in mind I'm saying this as someone who wasn't watching the game, was working and following it on my phone, and was saying maybe put Trey Lance in for the second half because it's win or go home and the offense isn't getting done with Jimmy.

I think once he's gone no matter how he plays and who he plays for, there will be a much greater appreciation for what Jimmy Garoppolo did here whether Trey Lance becomes one of the next great quarterbacks or whether he does not.

A good example of this is the Catch.

One of the biggest moments in NFL history and started a dynasty. The Prior to that Montana had a terrible game with a bunch of turnovers on offence. 4 Rings later and he is an all time legend the GOAT BB (before Brady lol).

The Webzone would have lit him up for that crappy game and say the He has too weak an arm or his chicken legs won't get it done.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jcs:
Damn NY hates jimmy more than random.....

yeah I never posted in the Jimmy thread before this past year...derp. I supported Jimmy for 3+ years even when he was hurt or messing up. There's about 4,700 posts you can go through and find out that's true.

I still support him and root for him to win on game day every damn week.

Just because I don't think he's as good as you do, doesn't mean I'm less of a fan or hate him...ya'll regurgitate the same whinny why do you hate Jimmy BS, when that's not the truth of it. Same s**t another day. Get over it.

its crazy, you'd think going off of my post count I'm the hardest core jimmy fan there is? but I have never claimed that somebody downright HATES Jimmy just because they are critical of him. it has gotten pretty redundant lately to read the same trope over and over and over from Jimmy fans "OMG you just hate Jimmy!" like, even for me it has gotten ridiculous.
this whole season really solidified who he is at this point and that we definitely can do better. (even though I was an advocate for getting Stafford).

if we had the Jimmy on a consistent basis like we had from the NO game, ARI games in 2019, it'd be a different story. too injured. too streaky. too inconsistent.

This literally sounds like 80% of the talk in this forum. What's interesting to note is Chris Carter's take because just 2 weeks ago he was disparaging Garoppolo for "oooo, the webbing in my hands hurts" for his injury and how he probably wasn't a tough guy.

Bonus, seeing Kay Adams makes anyone's day better.