Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
There are different types of aggressiveness though.

as far as analytical stats go, he's 18th in Next Gen Stats' Aggressiveness metric. Saw this posted yesterday

Largest difference in big-time throws vs turnover-worthy plays this season. Meant in a bad way; more mistakes than elite throws (including playoffs PFF)

T1. Jimmy Garoppolo (-16)
T1. Mike Glennon (-16)
T3. Ben Roethlisberger (-12)
T3. Tua Tagovailoa (-12)
5. Taylor Heinicke (-9)

— Ian Hartitz (@Ihartitz) January 26, 2022

I mean either way we're in the NFCC and he's played a part in that for sure...I kinda disagree with Lombardi's take on Jimmy being uber aggressive and that's why he turns the ball over a bunch. Just an opinion.

That stat is very broad though. It counts any tight window throw (1 yard or less of separation), no matter where the defender is in relation to the ball and doesn't include the amount of defenders in the vicinity nor the difficulty of the throw (pressure, depth, location, etc.).

I have a problem with stats like this. How do they determine what's a tight window. One yard or less when the ball gets there or when it's thrown? Receivers often have more separation early in a pattern and the QB either doesn't see it or looks elsewhere before he throws. The point being that the tight window can often be caused by the QB himself. Wait too long and that wide open guy can be covered quickly by a fast DB.

When I watch games I see guys that look wide open and wonder why the QB didn't see it. Then I see the replay and realize that he was in a poor throwing position or was just homed in on another receiver. Maybe ther ewas a defender in his line of site.

Aggressiveness (AGG%)Aggressiveness tracks the amount of passing attempts a quarterback makes that are into tight coverage, where there is a defender within 1 yard or less of the receiver at the time of completion or incompletion. AGG is shown as a % of attempts into tight windows over all passing attempts.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I have a problem with stats like this. How do they determine what's a tight window. One yard or less when the ball gets there or when it's thrown? Receivers often have more separation early in a pattern and the QB either doesn't see it or looks elsewhere before he throws. The point being that the tight window can often be caused by the QB himself. Wait too long and that wide open guy can be covered quickly by a fast DB.

When I watch games I see guys that look wide open and wonder why the QB didn't see it. Then I see the replay and realize that he was in a poor throwing position or was just homed in on another receiver. Maybe ther ewas a defender in his line of site.

"Aggressiveness (AGG%)Aggressiveness tracks the amount of passing attempts a quarterback makes that are into tight coverage, where there is a defender within 1 yard or less of the receiver at the time of completion or incompletion. AGG is shown as a % of attempts into tight windows over all passing attempts."

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I have a problem with stats like this. How do they determine what's a tight window. One yard or less when the ball gets there or when it's thrown? Receivers often have more separation early in a pattern and the QB either doesn't see it or looks elsewhere before he throws. The point being that the tight window can often be caused by the QB himself. Wait too long and that wide open guy can be covered quickly by a fast DB.

When I watch games I see guys that look wide open and wonder why the QB didn't see it. Then I see the replay and realize that he was in a poor throwing position or was just homed in on another receiver. Maybe ther ewas a defender in his line of site.

"Aggressiveness (AGG%)Aggressiveness tracks the amount of passing attempts a quarterback makes that are into tight coverage, where there is a defender within 1 yard or less of the receiver at the time of completion or incompletion. AGG is shown as a % of attempts into tight windows over all passing attempts."

It's certainly a broad stat. Is a pass thrown when the receiver has a yard or less of separation more aggressive than one that is thrown when he has more separation but the window closes before the ball gets there? There is much more to it.

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
It's certainly a broad stat. Is a pass thrown when the receiver has a yard or less of separation more aggressive than one that is thrown when he has more separation but the window closes before the ball gets there? There is much more to it.

A lot of stats can be pretty broad....when you start comparing them with other stats and they all kinda back up a statement, it's worth a look.

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:
its crazy, you'd think going off of my post count I'm the hardest core jimmy fan there is? but I have never claimed that somebody downright HATES Jimmy just because they are critical of him. it has gotten pretty redundant lately to read the same trope over and over and over from Jimmy fans "OMG you just hate Jimmy!" like, even for me it has gotten ridiculous.
this whole season really solidified who he is at this point and that we definitely can do better. (even though I was an advocate for getting Stafford).

if we had the Jimmy on a consistent basis like we had from the NO game, ARI games in 2019, it'd be a different story. too injured. too streaky. too inconsistent.

Never heard of you

you have.

You must've changed your username

You're onto something.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
It's certainly a broad stat. Is a pass thrown when the receiver has a yard or less of separation more aggressive than one that is thrown when he has more separation but the window closes before the ball gets there? There is much more to it.

A lot of stats can be pretty broad....when you start comparing them with other stats and they all kinda back up a statement, it's worth a look.

It is a broad/vague stat… but so is attributing wins and losses to the QB position.

And BTW I don't know if anyone else thought this but Jimmy's throw to Jennings vs the Packers looked like he just threw the ball blindly into traffic from the broadcast angle. I was happy to see that he made a very accurate throw from the All-22 angle. If either Kittle or Jennings made a catch on that drive maybe we would be talking about the game very differently for Jimmy.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by WestCoastForever:
He's right. I have always felt that JG's will to win presses him to play aggressively and to push the margins of his ability. He's got it like the greats have it. I will take the picks any day with that attitude.

It seems that the team feels the same way. If it weren't for his injury history, JG would be the QBOTF.

I hope Trey has that same obsession.

Lombardi who's a self described analytic nerd, talked about because Jimmy is so aggressive it will result in TO worthy plays (at least that's what he said on twitter) thing is using his own analytics, Jimmy is actually not very aggressive and there's multiple stats backing that up.

There are different types of aggressiveness though.

Exactly. I don't remember which week is was Exactly but someone asked me about a pick he threw and I said, "that was Jimmy getting too aggressive. A little Gunslinger in him believing he could make a super tight window throw".

I remember a few people "LOL'd" at me for saying that. Happened on Reddit too. But, here we are and Kyle said Exactly what I said about 2 months ago.

I can't even count how many times Kyle or Mike McDaniels have said exactly what I've said, after I say it.

Then people go, "that's just coach speak" you're not convincing me of that when I say it from watching film, then Kyle confirms.

People think "aggressive" means going after that deeper shot. Jimmy is aggressive in he thinks he can turn a sack into a 15 yard gain over one defender in front of another. And he can a heck of a lot of times. So much that we almost get used to it but those are throws only a handful of guys can make.

Agree. To me thats one of the attributes that make him a great QB. That fearlessness and aggressiveness to pierce the defensive coverage and get yards and points. He knows he has an elite release and he's very confident in his short and medium accuracy such that he'll throw into those triple covered recievers (example: emanuel sanders). Kyle is also an aggressive coach, and the two together generally take what they want from the defense vs take what the defense gives. Well see if Trey will eventually develop that kind of confidence in himself that Jimmy has. For sure, Trey is looking at Jimmy film and going "holy cow! How could you throw it to that tripple covered guy" in film review. he'll be learning a ton in that room during playoffs.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
There are different types of aggressiveness though.

as far as analytical stats go, he's 18th in Next Gen Stats' Aggressiveness metric. Saw this posted yesterday

Largest difference in big-time throws vs turnover-worthy plays this season. Meant in a bad way; more mistakes than elite throws (including playoffs PFF)

T1. Jimmy Garoppolo (-16)
T1. Mike Glennon (-16)
T3. Ben Roethlisberger (-12)
T3. Tua Tagovailoa (-12)
5. Taylor Heinicke (-9)

— Ian Hartitz (@Ihartitz) January 26, 2022

I mean either way we're in the NFCC and he's played a part in that for sure...I kinda disagree with Lombardi's take on Jimmy being uber aggressive and that's why he turns the ball over a bunch. Just an opinion.

You try so hard to politely put Jimmy down

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
There are different types of aggressiveness though.

as far as analytical stats go, he's 18th in Next Gen Stats' Aggressiveness metric. Saw this posted yesterday

Largest difference in big-time throws vs turnover-worthy plays this season. Meant in a bad way; more mistakes than elite throws (including playoffs PFF)

T1. Jimmy Garoppolo (-16)
T1. Mike Glennon (-16)
T3. Ben Roethlisberger (-12)
T3. Tua Tagovailoa (-12)
5. Taylor Heinicke (-9)

— Ian Hartitz (@Ihartitz) January 26, 2022

I mean either way we're in the NFCC and he's played a part in that for sure...I kinda disagree with Lombardi's take on Jimmy being uber aggressive and that's why he turns the ball over a bunch. Just an opinion.

You try so hard to politely put Jimmy down

He's not putting him down. Just suggesting the level he thinks he's at played.

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

i'll always have a soft spot for jimmy g.

from tom's would-be successor, to becoming the face of the niners, all the way to what looks like his final year in the bay... have always wanted to see polo succeed.

let's see how this latest chapter wraps up... 👀👀👀 pic.twitter.com/sN3Fb97Q2o

— Matt Sharpe (@daringsharpe) January 27, 2022

that photoshop is sick lol

That just became my new phone home screen. Lol

Originally posted by NYniner85:
as far as analytical stats go, he's 18th in Next Gen Stats' Aggressiveness metric. Saw this posted yesterday

Largest difference in big-time throws vs turnover-worthy plays this season. Meant in a bad way; more mistakes than elite throws (including playoffs PFF)

T1. Jimmy Garoppolo (-16)
T1. Mike Glennon (-16)
T3. Ben Roethlisberger (-12)
T3. Tua Tagovailoa (-12)
5. Taylor Heinicke (-9)

— Ian Hartitz (@Ihartitz) January 26, 2022

I mean either way we're in the NFCC and he's played a part in that for sure...I kinda disagree with Lombardi's take on Jimmy being uber aggressive and that's why he turns the ball over a bunch. Just an opinion.

anyone with eyeballs can see that his pick and his near picks were the result of him trying to do too much/be too aggressive. he shoukd have just thrown the ball away, yanno be more conservative.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
There are different types of aggressiveness though.

as far as analytical stats go, he's 18th in Next Gen Stats' Aggressiveness metric. Saw this posted yesterday

Largest difference in big-time throws vs turnover-worthy plays this season. Meant in a bad way; more mistakes than elite throws (including playoffs PFF)

T1. Jimmy Garoppolo (-16)
T1. Mike Glennon (-16)
T3. Ben Roethlisberger (-12)
T3. Tua Tagovailoa (-12)
5. Taylor Heinicke (-9)

— Ian Hartitz (@Ihartitz) January 26, 2022

I mean either way we're in the NFCC and he's played a part in that for sure...I kinda disagree with Lombardi's take on Jimmy being uber aggressive and that's why he turns the ball over a bunch. Just an opinion.

You try so hard to politely put Jimmy down

He's not putting him down. Just suggesting the level he thinks he's at played.

You're just not as good at it as NY, sorry bro.

Quick, someone tell Deebo wins aren't a qb stat

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Quick, someone tell Deebo wins aren't a qb stat

Kraxy how y'all have so much to say about our quarterback…. Check His Win Percentage…. Okay I'll Wait. Pure Winner @JimmyG_10

— Deebo (@19problemz) January 27, 2022

You think wins are indicative of a QBs performance?