Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

If you want to be a troll just remember...

Sometimes a QB goes along for the ride

Mark Sanchez was in back to back AFC championship games based on strong D and a running game

Jimmy G is waaaaay better than Sanchez and we will see next year what a different QB can do

Enjoy the JG experience...2 more games

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Quick, someone tell Deebo wins aren't a qb stat

Kraxy how y'all have so much to say about our quarterback…. Check His Win Percentage…. Okay I'll Wait. Pure Winner @JimmyG_10

— Deebo (@19problemz) January 27, 2022

They aren't. Team stat.

Aren't nearly all stats team stats?

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
its a team stat but qbs play a major part

without jimmy kyle is 6-28

And for those that are saying "bUt tHaT jUsT sHoWs hOw bAd hOyEr, bEaThArD, aNd MuLLeNs wErE":

-The 49ers are the only team in NFL history to win 3 consecutive road games (including playoffs) against 12+ win teams: Jimmy is a part of that
-Jimmy Garoppolo - if he wins on Sunday - will be the only non-HOF QB to lose the Super Bowl and then return to the Super Bowl a 2nd time
-Jimmy Garoppolo is #2 in active win %, beneath only Tom Brady
-Of all the QB's that were talked about replacing him, Jimmy has outlasted all of them: Deshaun Watson, multiple sexual assault allegations. Tom Brady, eliminated. Aaron Rodgers, eliminated BY Jimmy (2x). Matthew Stafford, 0-2 head to head against Jimmy this year, and Jimmy is in the NFCCG right alongside him.

Jimmy is not better than those QB's. But that's actually kind of the point (and the reason why the trade to move up for Trey Lance was so awful). Jimmy has more post-season success than ALL of those guys (outside of Brady). The common factor is that Jimmy has a complete team. Those other QB's don't. By giving up so much draft capital, the 49ers will now not be able to field a complete team due to the loss of major assets, and the team will as a whole be worse, even if the QB may be better. If Aaron Rodgers, Deshaun Watson (look at his playoff record), possibly Matthew Stafford, and all these other QB's, haven't been able to overcome having an incomplete team, why would Trey Lance?

W/L's ARE a team stat, and Jimmy's record as 49ers QB is definitely in large part because of the efforts of the team. But people fail to take into account that Jimmy IS part of the team, and a big part of it. The 49ers aren't winning "in spite" of him. Because the 49ers lose when he doesn't play, and they have *really* bad QB play. Jimmy is part of the formula that makes this team go, even if he's not the biggest part of it (I can name off the top of my head at least 5 guys on the roster who are better than Jimmy in Deebo, Bosa, Trent, Kittle, and Warner). But he IS a part of it, and a significant part of it.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

At some point, fans have got to maybe realize that they don't know everything? Maybe?

Did anyone see a fan yelling at Darius Slay on Crockers podcast? Saying, "you can't have watched all our games then, you don't watch our games!"

Lol like....Slay has played against Jimmy TWICE. Are we really gonna say an all pro CB who was part of a game plan against this team and Garoppolo twice, who spent two weeks watching film on him doesn't know Jimmybas well as fans who, "watch every game"? It's laughable.

Darius slay says it - doesn't count
Sherman says it - doesn't count.
Deebo says it - doesn't count
Staley says it - doesn't count
Kyle says it - doesn't count
Emmanuel Sanders says it - doesn't count
Juice says it - doesn't count
Bosa says it - doesn't count
Kittle says it - doesn't count
Andy Reid has said it - doesn't count

At some point, maybe fans can take a step back and realize that these guys might, just might have a little more knowledge about this.

This

Originally posted by Tigerlaw:
If you want to be a troll just remember...

Sometimes a QB goes along for the ride

Mark Sanchez was in back to back AFC championship games based on strong D and a running game

Jimmy G is waaaaay better than Sanchez and we will see next year what a different QB can do

Enjoy the JG experience...2 more games

Sanchez Is a good example. I believe he actually owns a few NFL records too, as hard as that Is too believe.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Quick, someone tell Deebo wins aren't a qb stat

Kraxy how y'all have so much to say about our quarterback…. Check His Win Percentage…. Okay I'll Wait. Pure Winner @JimmyG_10

— Deebo (@19problemz) January 27, 2022

They aren't. Team stat.

Except of course when they're not. You don't need to look any further than this thread to be aware of that BS hypocrisy. The TEAM wins but it's Jimmy who loses. You guys can't keep having it both ways.

Then why not the same amount of wins *like* Jimmy if Hoyer, Beathard, and Mullens are playing QB. Can't have it both ways now.

Why is Jared Goff losing so much now, and Matt Stafford is winning so much?

Why did the 49ers win on Saturday and why did the 49ers win.

Their last two drives are a big reason.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

At some point, fans have got to maybe realize that they don't know everything? Maybe?

Did anyone see a fan yelling at Darius Slay on Crockers podcast? Saying, "you can't have watched all our games then, you don't watch our games!"

Lol like....Slay has played against Jimmy TWICE. Are we really gonna say an all pro CB who was part of a game plan against this team and Garoppolo twice, who spent two weeks watching film on him doesn't know Jimmybas well as fans who, "watch every game"? It's laughable.

Darius slay says it - doesn't count
Sherman says it - doesn't count.
Deebo says it - doesn't count
Staley says it - doesn't count
Kyle says it - doesn't count
Emmanuel Sanders says it - doesn't count
Juice says it - doesn't count
Bosa says it - doesn't count
Kittle says it - doesn't count
Andy Reid has said it - doesn't count

At some point, maybe fans can take a step back and realize that these guys might, just might have a little more knowledge about this.

"Appeal to authority is a common type of fallacy, or an argument based on unsound logic.

When writers or speakers use appeal to authority, they are claiming that something must be true because it is believed by someone who said to be an "authority" on the subject."

https://www.softschools.com/examples/fallacies/appeal_to_authority_examples/430/

Bump.

What people really need to understand is that something isn't true just because an "authority" says it is.

One of the most basic fallacies there is.

I agree with the consensus of experts.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Why did the 49ers win on Saturday and why did the 49ers win.

Their last two drives are a big reason.

Are we seriously giving Jimmy credit for the win against the Packers?

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I'm asking you though. Why not answer the question?

its a team stat but qbs play a major part

without jimmy kyle is 6-28

The fact the QB (and the center) handles the ball on every play makes wins both a team AND a QB stat.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Quick, someone tell Deebo wins aren't a qb stat

Kraxy how y'all have so much to say about our quarterback…. Check His Win Percentage…. Okay I'll Wait. Pure Winner @JimmyG_10

— Deebo (@19problemz) January 27, 2022

You think wins are indicative of a QBs performance?

Yes

It's also missing the point. The point is more, isn't the point of the game to win?

Josh Allen is going to be watching football this weekend. Does that mean he lost the game for his team? No, absolutely not. Does it mean he played poorly? No absolutely not, he played fantastic.

But his team and fans weren't happy Sunday night. They're looking forward to free agency and the draft.

Our fans are arguing that our quarterback holds the team back.

Ok....well we're winning. We've won and won a LOT. This is Sherman's point. We're not even appreciating our guys when they're winning. 28 other teams are out. They're arguing over what went wrong/what they need to do to keep that from happening, our fans are arguing that our qb didn't cause us to win.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Quick, someone tell Deebo wins aren't a qb stat

Kraxy how y'all have so much to say about our quarterback…. Check His Win Percentage…. Okay I'll Wait. Pure Winner @JimmyG_10

— Deebo (@19problemz) January 27, 2022

They aren't. Team stat.

Except of course when they're not. You don't need to look any further than this thread to be aware of that BS hypocrisy. The TEAM wins but it's Jimmy who loses. You guys can't keep having it both ways.

Then why not the same amount of wins *like* Jimmy if Hoyer, Beathard, and Mullens are playing QB. Can't have it both ways now.

Why is Jared Goff losing so much now, and Matt Stafford is winning so much?

Why did the 49ers win on Saturday and why did the 49ers win.

Their last two drives are a big reason.

Great defense, STs touchdown, clutch last minute drive.
My point with the question I asked, which you failed to answer, is that did Goff suddenly forget how to be a winning QB?

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
🤣🤣 dude, if we went around posting articles about logical fallacies in debate, then every other post would be a link.

The appeal to authority is only considered a fallacy when there is NO evidence or as the establishment evidence but is perfectly fine when used as corraborative or counter-point.

For example: if I claim that you are part of the cult of ommamu based off the opinion of a specialist in cults, that is a logical fallacy.

If I show evidence that you are part of the cult of ommamu you dispute the interpretation of that evidence and then I cite an expert on cult behavior, that isn't a logical fallacy.

There has been plenty of evidence either way. The issue is fans saying they are "more knowledgeable" about the situation cause they "watch the games" doesn't mean anything.

I can watch an autopsy, that doesn't mean I know more than the medical examiner.

I'm sorry Jonny but you're wrong.

All it's saying is that just because you're an NFL player or coach doesn't mean you're automatically correct about anything related to football.

It's also not saying the inverse is correct. Which is why I asked you the question about wins and losses being attributable to a QBs performance to have that discussion. I'm not assuming I'm correct here.

The conflict of interest for Deebo talking about his QB who's 2 games away from winning the Super Bowl should be clear to anyone. Except you, apparently.

Deebo could've also said nothing.

I'm not saying just because they played They're automatically correct. You're missing the point.

The point is, fans discrediting or rejecting an opinion of a player because they, "don't know as much" is absurd.

THAT is what happened on Crockers podcast. A fan told Darius Slay, who is an all pro CB who played against Jimmy this year, that he doesn't know as much because he doesn't, "watch all the games".

You're telling me that's not crazy logic? A guy who spent a week watching film on Jimmy doesnt know as much as the fans?

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
At some point, fans have got to maybe realize that they don't know everything? Maybe?

Did anyone see a fan yelling at Darius Slay on Crockers podcast? Saying, "you can't have watched all our games then, you don't watch our games!"

Lol like....Slay has played against Jimmy TWICE. Are we really gonna say an all pro CB who was part of a game plan against this team and Garoppolo twice, who spent two weeks watching film on him doesn't know Jimmybas well as fans who, "watch every game"? It's laughable.

Darius slay says it - doesn't count
Sherman says it - doesn't count.
Deebo says it - doesn't count
Staley says it - doesn't count
Kyle says it - doesn't count
Emmanuel Sanders says it - doesn't count
Juice says it - doesn't count
Bosa says it - doesn't count
Kittle says it - doesn't count
Andy Reid has said it - doesn't count

At some point, maybe fans can take a step back and realize that these guys might, just might have a little more knowledge about this.

"Appeal to authority is a common type of fallacy, or an argument based on unsound logic.

When writers or speakers use appeal to authority, they are claiming that something must be true because it is believed by someone who said to be an "authority" on the subject."

https://www.softschools.com/examples/fallacies/appeal_to_authority_examples/430/

🤣🤣 dude, if we went around posting articles about logical fallacies in debate, then every other post would be a link.

The appeal to authority is only considered a fallacy when there is NO evidence or as the establishment evidence but is perfectly fine when used as corraborative or counter-point.

For example: if I claim that you are part of the cult of ommamu based off the opinion of a specialist in cults, that is a logical fallacy.

If I show evidence that you are part of the cult of ommamu you dispute the interpretation of that evidence and then I cite an expert on cult behavior, that isn't a logical fallacy.

There has been plenty of evidence either way. The issue is fans saying they are "more knowledgeable" about the situation cause they "watch the games" doesn't mean anything.

I can watch an autopsy, that doesn't mean I know more than the medical examiner.

You didn't provide any evidence in your post. You just named others and suggested that others should submit to them. Nothing was presented.

It's the "herd mentality" thing some like me always tend to reject. There's nothing wrong with making a point and citing those that agree with it (if they do).

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Quick, someone tell Deebo wins aren't a qb stat

Kraxy how y'all have so much to say about our quarterback…. Check His Win Percentage…. Okay I'll Wait. Pure Winner @JimmyG_10

— Deebo (@19problemz) January 27, 2022

They aren't. Team stat.

Except of course when they're not. You don't need to look any further than this thread to be aware of that BS hypocrisy. The TEAM wins but it's Jimmy who loses. You guys can't keep having it both ways.

Then why not the same amount of wins *like* Jimmy if Hoyer, Beathard, and Mullens are playing QB. Can't have it both ways now.

Why is Jared Goff losing so much now, and Matt Stafford is winning so much?

Why did the 49ers win on Saturday and why did the 49ers win.

Their last two drives are a big reason.

Great defense, STs touchdown, clutch last minute drive.
My point with the question I asked, which you failed to answer, is that did Goff suddenly forget how to be a winning QB?

It would be absurd to say that a qb winning is all because of the qb. Joe Montana played with HOF guys on both sides of the ball, same with Steve.

Dan Marino was unbelievable and never had a great team around him. Trent Dilfer was a backup quality qb on an unbelievable team.

The thing is, though, Dilfer never had a winning % anywhere close to Jimmy. Marino never had a team like Jimmy has.

But for people to act like he's the problem, not part of a solution(which we're still winning, so we've got a solution right now) is weird.

Doesn't make sense, at this point.

You'd have to believe that Kyle and John are the greatest HC and GM duo that has ever existed in the history of football to win like they have with Jimmy, to do it in spite of him.

mina kimes is wrong, but jeff garcia is a dumbass