Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by 49erminion:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by dmax:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Exactly right. I've stated this many times before. Some people on here would rather have a qb throw for 5000 yards 40tds, and go 6 and 10. Disgusting.

wow..when as that ever happen?

Just look at the Texans in 2020. Or packers in 2018. It happens.

Nah they want at least 4K, 25+ tds, less than 10 int, and a winning record which has happened a zillion times.

Jimmy G in 2019 had 3,978 yards, 27 TD's and 13 INT's and a 13-3 record. He was really darn close and it wasn't even close to being enough for people. So, no I don't agree that's what they want.

I think they want Patrick Mahomes QBing which (oversimplifying at an extreme or beyond it) is just call whatever and if it's not open, scramble and make a play. Montana was the master of making a play out of a broken play, but you CANNOT forget that Montana was also a master at executing a system, which first and foremost is what wins because gameplanning is a thing.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
🤣🤣 dude, if we went around posting articles about logical fallacies in debate, then every other post would be a link.

The appeal to authority is only considered a fallacy when there is NO evidence or as the establishment evidence but is perfectly fine when used as corraborative or counter-point.

For example: if I claim that you are part of the cult of ommamu based off the opinion of a specialist in cults, that is a logical fallacy.

If I show evidence that you are part of the cult of ommamu you dispute the interpretation of that evidence and then I cite an expert on cult behavior, that isn't a logical fallacy.

There has been plenty of evidence either way. The issue is fans saying they are "more knowledgeable" about the situation cause they "watch the games" doesn't mean anything.

I can watch an autopsy, that doesn't mean I know more than the medical examiner.

I'm sorry Jonny but you're wrong.

All it's saying is that just because you're an NFL player or coach doesn't mean you're automatically correct about anything related to football.

It's also not saying the inverse is correct. Which is why I asked you the question about wins and losses being attributable to a QBs performance to have that discussion. I'm not assuming I'm correct here.

The conflict of interest for Deebo talking about his QB who's 2 games away from winning the Super Bowl should be clear to anyone. Except you, apparently.

Deebo could've also said nothing.

I'm not saying just because they played They're automatically correct. You're missing the point.

The point is, fans discrediting or rejecting an opinion of a player because they, "don't know as much" is absurd.

THAT is what happened on Crockers podcast. A fan told Darius Slay, who is an all pro CB who played against Jimmy this year, that he doesn't know as much because he doesn't, "watch all the games".

You're telling me that's not crazy logic? A guy who spent a week watching film on Jimmy doesnt know as much as the fans?

Honestly I'm not sure you're understanding the point you're trying to make.

If we agree that being a NFL player doesn't automatically mean you're correct, then you also have to agree that the arrogant fan that called into the podcast isn't automatically wrong either. It goes both ways.

I don't think it's wise or polite to tell someone with NFL experience they don't know what they're talking about. I would personally never do that but again… it doesn't mean they're wrong. I also have no idea what the disagreement was about so I have no context to decide if it's illogical or not.

You're the one that posted a tweet from Deebo acting like it meant something while ignoring the implication of being Jimmy's current teammate.

That's when I asked you specifically if you believed that wins and losses are attributable to a QBs performance. I've yet to see an answer for that.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

🤣🤣 dude, if we went around posting articles about logical fallacies in debate, then every other post would be a link.

The appeal to authority is only considered a fallacy when there is NO evidence or as the establishment evidence but is perfectly fine when used as corraborative or counter-point.

For example: if I claim that you are part of the cult of ommamu based off the opinion of a specialist in cults, that is a logical fallacy.

If I show evidence that you are part of the cult of ommamu you dispute the interpretation of that evidence and then I cite an expert on cult behavior, that isn't a logical fallacy.

There has been plenty of evidence either way. The issue is fans saying they are "more knowledgeable" about the situation cause they "watch the games" doesn't mean anything.

I can watch an autopsy, that doesn't mean I know more than the medical examiner.

I'm sorry Jonny but you're wrong.

All it's saying is that just because you're an NFL player or coach doesn't mean you're automatically correct about anything related to football.

It's also not saying the inverse is correct. Which is why I asked you the question about wins and losses being attributable to a QBs performance to have that discussion. I'm not assuming I'm correct here.

The conflict of interest for Deebo talking about his QB who's 2 games away from winning the Super Bowl should be clear to anyone. Except you, apparently.

Deebo could've also said nothing.

I'm not saying just because they played They're automatically correct. You're missing the point.

The point is, fans discrediting or rejecting an opinion of a player because they, "don't know as much" is absurd.

THAT is what happened on Crockers podcast. A fan told Darius Slay, who is an all pro CB who played against Jimmy this year, that he doesn't know as much because he doesn't, "watch all the games".

You're telling me that's not crazy logic? A guy who spent a week watching film on Jimmy doesnt know as much as the fans?

Honestly I'm not sure you're understanding the point you're trying to make.

If we agree that being a NFL player doesn't automatically mean you're correct, then you also have to agree that the arrogant fan that called into the podcast isn't automatically wrong either. It goes both ways.

I don't think it's wise or polite to tell someone with NFL experience they don't know what they're talking about. I would personally never do that but again… it doesn't mean they're wrong. I also have no idea what the disagreement was about so I have no context to decide if it's illogical or not.

You're the one that posted a tweet from Deebo acting like it meant something while ignoring the implication of being Jimmy's current teammate.

That's when I asked you specifically if you believed that wins and losses are attributable to a QBs performance. I've yet to see an answer for that.

Is your point here that Deebo and rhe others listed are all lying?

I'll be the first to say that Jimmy needs to cut down on the turnovers. They certainly could have and still may cost us a game this season. Jimmy's accuracy did fall off a bit in the second half of the Dallas game. It was most likely his shoulder starting to take its toll. He was pretty damn good in the first half. However, to criticize him for the GB game is a joke. The int was bad but other than that he was pretty damn accurate with his passes all game. There were two when the ball got there late to the outside but none of those drops in the first half were on him.

Jimmy is due for a solid game. He will have the home crowd on his side, his teammates and ex 49ers players have his back and he has a chance to end the rams season with a trip to his second superbowl. Jimmy is going to lay it all on the line this Sunday.

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by dmax:

Originally posted by ritz126:
what are we doing then? unless youre calling jimmy play strong

i mean championships
has you saw in 2019
weak qb play cost us the super bowl

You are forgetting the blown coverage by Moseley that allowed the momentum to swing and KC to get back in the game.

ya we allowed 21 points in 4th Q that game lets not put all the blame on the QB

Garoppolo made one bad, very obvious overthrow to Sanders. That got all the attention while the defensive collapse, which started with Eman's blown coverage seems totally forgotten. In fairness, Garoppolo and Sanders had little time to develop the chemistry needed to match the speed and the throw.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by dmax:

Originally posted by ritz126:
what are we doing then? unless youre calling jimmy play strong

i mean championships
has you saw in 2019
weak qb play cost us the super bowl

You are forgetting the blown coverage by Moseley that allowed the momentum to swing and KC to get back in the game.

ya we allowed 21 points in 4th Q that game lets not put all the blame on the QB

Garoppolo made one bad, very obvious overthrow to Sanders. That got all the attention while the defensive collapse, which started with Eman's blown coverage seems totally forgotten. In fairness, Garoppolo and Sanders had little time to develop the chemistry needed to match the speed and the throw.

True. And to be honest, all the elite QB's like Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady, etc... they miss those throws too. It's just that they throw 40-50 times a game, and if they miss one, they'll hit on another one.

Jimmy only throws 20-25 times a game. Those chances don't come up as often, so when he misses, it's all people can remember.

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by dmax:

Originally posted by ritz126:
what are we doing then? unless youre calling jimmy play strong

i mean championships
has you saw in 2019
weak qb play cost us the super bowl

You are forgetting the blown coverage by Moseley that allowed the momentum to swing and KC to get back in the game.

ya we allowed 21 points in 4th Q that game lets not put all the blame on the QB

Garoppolo made one bad, very obvious overthrow to Sanders. That got all the attention while the defensive collapse, which started with Eman's blown coverage seems totally forgotten. In fairness, Garoppolo and Sanders had little time to develop the chemistry needed to match the speed and the throw.

True. And to be honest, all the elite QB's like Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady, etc... they miss those throws too. It's just that they throw 40-50 times a game, and if they miss one, they'll hit on another one.

Jimmy only throws 20-25 times a game. Those chances don't come up as often, so when he misses, it's all people can remember.

Agree. and when your run offense is road grading the other teams defense, why throw if you can run over them?

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
If we don't win the SB this year, will people be more or less excited about changing QBs next year?

I will personally be more excited. I haven't seen too many (or any?) people saying that Garoppolo now is better than Lance's potential, and having a prospect like Lance on the team to hopefully take another step toward a championship in the future is exciting. This year, though, it's Garoppolo, and I'm excited to see how he and the team play in the next game.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I'll be the first to say that Jimmy needs to cut down on the turnovers. They certainly could have and still may cost us a game this season. Jimmy's accuracy did fall off a bit in the second half of the Dallas game. It was most likely his shoulder starting to take its toll. He was pretty damn good in the first half. However, to criticize him for the GB game is a joke. The int was bad but other than that he was pretty damn accurate with his passes all game. There were two when the ball got there late to the outside but none of those drops in the first half were on him.

Jimmy is due for a solid game. He will have the home crowd on his side, his teammates and ex 49ers players have his back and he has a chance to end the rams season with a trip to his second superbowl. Jimmy is going to lay it all on the line this Sunday.

That seems like the wrong attitude for him to have. Jimmy doesn't need to go crazy for us to win this game. He just needs to avoid the big mistakes, convert a few third downs, and hand the ball off 40+ times.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Quick, someone tell Deebo wins aren't a qb stat

Kraxy how y'all have so much to say about our quarterback…. Check His Win Percentage…. Okay I'll Wait. Pure Winner @JimmyG_10

— Deebo (@19problemz) January 27, 2022

You think wins are indicative of a QBs performance?

Wrong hill to die on Jonny... I've said it many times.

Especially when Jimmy is not going to be with us next year. He's not gonna have weapons like Deebo, Aiyuk, Kittle, running game with Kyle's influence..all on one team.

Fake edit- I had this drafted earlier this morning, but didn't get a chance to finish and post it.

Now I see what Jeff Garcia has done and MY GOD MAN, Jimmy Garoppolo is not the hill to die on... the hill to lose any credibility. He's not worth it, just to try to win an argument or a debate.

I'm not saying Jimmy the person... I'm saying the product on the field lately.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by 49erminion:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by dmax:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Exactly right. I've stated this many times before. Some people on here would rather have a qb throw for 5000 yards 40tds, and go 6 and 10. Disgusting.

wow..when as that ever happen?

Just look at the Texans in 2020. Or packers in 2018. It happens.

Nah they want at least 4K, 25 tds, less than 10 int, and a winning record which has happened a zillion times.

And we will hopefully get that with Trey. But trey isn't ready. And this year's team is riding with Jimmy. And they got to the nfc championship game.

So why the hell are people STILL complaining

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Quick, someone tell Deebo wins aren't a qb stat

Kraxy how y'all have so much to say about our quarterback…. Check His Win Percentage…. Okay I'll Wait. Pure Winner @JimmyG_10

— Deebo (@19problemz) January 27, 2022

They aren't. Team stat.

Except of course when they're not. You don't need to look any further than this thread to be aware of that BS hypocrisy. The TEAM wins but it's Jimmy who loses. You guys can't keep having it both ways.

Then why not the same amount of wins *like* Jimmy if Hoyer, Beathard, and Mullens are playing QB. Can't have it both ways now.

Why is Jared Goff losing so much now, and Matt Stafford is winning so much?

That's comparing apples and oranges. Two different teams. I'm comparing apples to apples, 49ers to the 49ers, just Jimmy vs Hoyer etc... You are comparing 49ers to Detroit - Goff vs Stafford.

didnt goff goto the SB with the Rams too lulz

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Is your point here that Deebo and rhe others listed are all lying?

I've really yet to make my complete point.

What I doing was asking if he believes wins and losses are indicative of a QBs play.

Then he posted something about a fan calling into a podcast essentially saying Slay doesn't know what he's talking about and that the fan believes he knows better because he watches the games.

It seemed like he was using an appeal to authority fallacy which then was discredited.

I have no context to that discussion other than that.

So to answer your question: I have no idea if they are lying or not because I don't know what the context is about the disagreement.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by dmax:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
You're mad because we win and you think the qb needs to play better to win again?

Just trying to figure out why we're mad after we won. Cause you know, that's the point of football. To win.

I'm mad because our qb is crap
you cant have weak qb play and win

what are we doing then? unless youre calling jimmy play strong

I'm saying we're in the NFC CG against a team Jimmy is 5-0 against. Whats the complaining about?

Perhaps it's a number of dimwits complaining? Don't you think Jonnydel? Booowhaaa.....! GO NINERS!!

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I'll be the first to say that Jimmy needs to cut down on the turnovers. They certainly could have and still may cost us a game this season. Jimmy's accuracy did fall off a bit in the second half of the Dallas game. It was most likely his shoulder starting to take its toll. He was pretty damn good in the first half. However, to criticize him for the GB game is a joke. The int was bad but other than that he was pretty damn accurate with his passes all game. There were two when the ball got there late to the outside but none of those drops in the first half were on him.

Jimmy is due for a solid game. He will have the home crowd on his side, his teammates and ex 49ers players have his back and he has a chance to end the rams season with a trip to his second superbowl. Jimmy is going to lay it all on the line this Sunday.

That seems like the wrong attitude for him to have. Jimmy doesn't need to go crazy for us to win this game. He just needs to avoid the big mistakes, convert a few third downs, and hand the ball off 40+ times.

Not the way I see it. I am not saying Jimmy needs to throw for 400 yards and 4 TD's. I don't see the rams completely shutting down our run game but I do see them selling out enough to atleast slow it down and make Jimmy beat them on 3rd down. Same thing with our defense. We may be able to slow their passing game down but we aren't completely shutting them down. We are going to need to sustain drives and put up atleast 24 points to win this game. That doesn't happen without Jimmy having a solid game and that means staying head of the chains and not giving the rams offense a short field to opperate.