Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Irsay on Carson Wentz

"I think the worst thing you can do is have a mistake and try to keep living with it going forward," Irsay said, via the Indy Star. "For us, it was something we had to move away from as a franchise. It was very obvious."

But our guys are lying. You guys have zero proof, none, zip nada that Lynch, Shanny, and York are lying besides conspiracies. I on the other hand have actual 100% non filtered words from them lol. Lol the audacity and the tin foil hatness of Jimmy Victims.

The answer when you can't answer. A staple in the Jimmy Victim community. You literally are making stuff up.

Never gonna get it

I got it. I explain it. You guys imagine it.

Sometimes you gotta do the mature thing and walk away from arguments like this, and let the kids have their emojis.

He loves starting dumb arguments about nothing. That's all he's done since he's been back on his new account since he was banned. But ya, stick up for PBMs who just attention whore post.

I'm no mod anymore, so I don't know if he's a PBM, I've stayed outta this thread for a while now. But if he's a PBM why is he still around??

But what's the sense of arguing about Jimmy anymore, he'll be traded soon and on another team.

So if anything why don't YOU people do the mature thing and walk away instead of sticking around and baiting him into more arguments with silly emojis seeing if you can get him banned again??

Who wants him banned? I enjoy reading stupid post in the off season.

I think Gore is spot on... It's what I've been saying this entire time. Despite the guys who add nothing to the conversation saying, it's not far fetched.

"Every time he's out there, they win," running back Frank Gore recently said of Garoppolo (h/t TheSFNiners). "It might not look [good], but they win. I know the business of it. They gave up three first-round picks [for Lance], so eventually, he [does] got to come in and play, but if I'm the Niners, if I can't get a [second-round draft pick] or higher for Jimmy, I'd probably have to keep him."

Gore acknowledges that an NFL team would want its new quarterback to practice with his new teammates all offseason. That obviously cannot happen with Garoppolo, who probably won't be ready to go until closer to training camp. That obstacle might be too prohibitive for any NFL teams that might have been interested in dealing for Garoppolo.

And then there is Lance's inexperience.

"We don't know what Trey Lance is going to bring," Gore added. "... In a couple of preseason games, he showed a little glimpse and stuff. But I'd say, right now, Jimmy [gives the 49ers the best chance] because every time he's out there, they win. He went to the Super Bowl. He went to the playoffs. He's been in the league for a while, so he understands the offense. He's smart. Right now, I would say Jimmy."

Gore says the choice between Garoppolo and Lance isn't an easy one. The 49ers invested a lot in the latter and have to see what he can do on the football field. Lance can't do that on the sideline backing up Garoppolo. For now, Lance will have to rely on organized team activities and minicamps to show his coaches that he's ready to take over.

(why can I not provide links? I copy the link and it this is what comes up
"Jimmy Garoppolo or Trey Lance? Frank Gore on which QB gives the 49ers the best chance to win | 49ers Webzone")

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Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
It's pretty normal for players to praise their QB. Saying he's a good leader is about the least you can say if there isn't a lot of other things to talk about. When they rip their QB, now that's news.

Some people just don't understand football its ok. We don't have a level of football IQ necessity to the forum so we have to deal with people who have no clue.

................

You guys say stuff then say you didn't.

Like what?

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:
I think Gore is spot on... It's what I've been saying this entire time. Despite the guys who add nothing to the conversation saying, it's not far fetched.

"Every time he's out there, they win," running back Frank Gore recently said of Garoppolo (h/t TheSFNiners). "It might not look [good], but they win. I know the business of it. They gave up three first-round picks [for Lance], so eventually, he [does] got to come in and play, but if I'm the Niners, if I can't get a [second-round draft pick] or higher for Jimmy, I'd probably have to keep him."

Gore acknowledges that an NFL team would want its new quarterback to practice with his new teammates all offseason. That obviously cannot happen with Garoppolo, who probably won't be ready to go until closer to training camp. That obstacle might be too prohibitive for any NFL teams that might have been interested in dealing for Garoppolo.

And then there is Lance's inexperience.

"We don't know what Trey Lance is going to bring," Gore added. "... In a couple of preseason games, he showed a little glimpse and stuff. But I'd say, right now, Jimmy [gives the 49ers the best chance] because every time he's out there, they win. He went to the Super Bowl. He went to the playoffs. He's been in the league for a while, so he understands the offense. He's smart. Right now, I would say Jimmy."

Gore says the choice between Garoppolo and Lance isn't an easy one. The 49ers invested a lot in the latter and have to see what he can do on the football field. Lance can't do that on the sideline backing up Garoppolo. For now, Lance will have to rely on organized team activities and minicamps to show his coaches that he's ready to take over.

(why can I not provide links? I copy the link and it this is what comes up
"Jimmy Garoppolo or Trey Lance? Frank Gore on which QB gives the 49ers the best chance to win | 49ers Webzone")

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I agree with Frank Gore too, the problem is that Jimmy has a hard time staying healthy and like what Gore mentions, they invested a lot in Lance.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:
I think Gore is spot on... It's what I've been saying this entire time. Despite the guys who add nothing to the conversation saying, it's not far fetched.

"Every time he's out there, they win," running back Frank Gore recently said of Garoppolo (h/t TheSFNiners). "It might not look [good], but they win. I know the business of it. They gave up three first-round picks [for Lance], so eventually, he [does] got to come in and play, but if I'm the Niners, if I can't get a [second-round draft pick] or higher for Jimmy, I'd probably have to keep him."

Gore acknowledges that an NFL team would want its new quarterback to practice with his new teammates all offseason. That obviously cannot happen with Garoppolo, who probably won't be ready to go until closer to training camp. That obstacle might be too prohibitive for any NFL teams that might have been interested in dealing for Garoppolo.

And then there is Lance's inexperience.

"We don't know what Trey Lance is going to bring," Gore added. "... In a couple of preseason games, he showed a little glimpse and stuff. But I'd say, right now, Jimmy [gives the 49ers the best chance] because every time he's out there, they win. He went to the Super Bowl. He went to the playoffs. He's been in the league for a while, so he understands the offense. He's smart. Right now, I would say Jimmy."

Gore says the choice between Garoppolo and Lance isn't an easy one. The 49ers invested a lot in the latter and have to see what he can do on the football field. Lance can't do that on the sideline backing up Garoppolo. For now, Lance will have to rely on organized team activities and minicamps to show his coaches that he's ready to take over.

(why can I not provide links? I copy the link and it this is what comes up
"Jimmy Garoppolo or Trey Lance? Frank Gore on which QB gives the 49ers the best chance to win | 49ers Webzone")

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I agree with Frank Gore too, the problem is that Jimmy has a hard time staying healthy and like what Gore mentions, they invested a lot in Lance.

Good thing is, you have Jimmy and Trey battle it out and you have a legit backup plan during a SB window no matter what. That is IF you do not get a reasonable offer for Jimmy. As Shanny, Lynch, York and many other football minds have pointed out QB is the most valuable position and right now during the SB window that 27 mill might not be the worst to eat if Trey struggles(he's only 22(21 right now)) Jimmy can step in. Do we really want Sudfield out there? Jimmy is injury prone but Trey has been injured one out of 2 games.

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

.....But our guys are lying. You guys have zero proof, none, zip nada that Lynch, Shanny, and York are lying....

And they say I'm crazy.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

.....But our guys are lying. You guys have zero proof, none, zip nada that Lynch, Shanny, and York are lying....

And they say I'm crazy.

Crazy and not understanding football are very different. You still crazy.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
You called Frank Gore's thought process on football old and tired and said he didn't eant the 49ers to win a SB and that he would blame Kyle for not winning a SB.

Seems like a bit over the top criticism of Frank Gore.

I think Jimmy's gone and I am excited for Trey.

How do you think Jimmy would do on......The Lions?

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

You called Frank Gore's thought process on football old and tired and said he didn't eant the 49ers to win a SB and that he would blame Kyle for not winning a SB.

Seems like a bit over the top criticism of Frank Gore.

I think Jimmy's gone and I am excited for Trey.

How do you think Jimmy would do on......The Lions?

Same garbage play we got here. Just no team to carry him.

I just heard the heartbreaking news on the death of Dwayne Haskins, who I understood was to battle for the starting job in Pittsburgh. RIP, he was 24 and hit by a car on a Florida highway when he exited his vehicle.

Please forgive me if I sound totally cold, but this could open the door for a trade for Jimmy. I always hoped that Jimmy would go to Pittsburgh, but I feel bad about actually saying it.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Really? If Deebo wants 20 million per year for 2022, how are the 49ers going to pay him with Jimmy's contract, short of future-mortgaging restructures?

Quit moving the goalposts. The conversation from 🤡 was that we could not extend Deebo this year. I know you guys are all a clique but he was wrong as always. Let him protect himself for once.

It's not a moving of a goalpost. It's a legitimate possibility that not being paid NOW is part of why Deebo is upset. I have no idea if the guy you are arguing with considered that possibility or not. But since he didn't explicitly write it, I did.

It's already been demonstrated that with an extension the hit wouldn't really kick in til 2023. JG ain't stopping anything here folks despite the desire to use him as whipping boy for all 49er sins.

It HASN'T been so demonstrated. That depends entirely on the contract, and several of Deebo's peers have contracts that hit for over 10 million THIS season (Mike Williams in particular, was IIRC 14 in cap and 21 in actual cash spent). So yeah, no.

There are ways around it, of course. The 49ers can hand over a bunch of cash as bonus and prorate it over the length of the contract for cap purposes. But then, cash on hand is also earmarked for what Jimmy is owed, so unless they have 40, 50 million lying around, that's not doable (and that's neglecting whatever fat bonus they want to pay Bosa).

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by NDSU:
Pissing off your best players one at a time. Not the best look.

they babied hurd till they had no choice., they screwed up 100 per cent with buck. they put themselves in a corner with ford. they played chicken with jimmy and the nfl cuz they thought the rest of the nfl was stupid. wonder what lynch will do for an encore with deebo. no matter what he does. his supporters will lap it up even if it means deebo will go.. you can already see some of them planting those seeds already. proactive cover for lynch and the front office.. despite what some think.. the front office and management is not always right

They've made a bunch of mistakes. They've just hit on some good players which makes many people overlook those mistakes.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NDSU:
Pissing off your best players one at a time. Not the best look.

Ahem..

"I think part of this also - the optics of it. Jimmy Garoppolo is dealing with a shoulder surgery. Should the 49ers cut him? I think they should. Will they? Probably not. Why? They have an imagine to maintain as well. They want to continue to do right by the players that are on their roster.

Dee Ford should have been gone a long time ago. He's still here. Brock Coyle was released, but they still paid him. They took care of him. They tried to help facilitate other trades with players. They honored NaVorro Bowman's request. They take care of their players as they leave.

I think it's the same with Jimmy Garoppolo. I don't think that they owe that to Jimmy, but it's just kind of how they operate...I think this is where having John Lynch the player as a general manager as comes into effect here."

I'm sure Lynch has seen plenty of cold, calculating moves by NFL franchises during his Hall of Fame career. It does seem like both he and Kyle Shanahan, who grew up in the NFL, treat their players with more respect than most teams.

Cutting Jimmy, however, may be the best thing they can do for him, assuming Trey is the starter. Does he want to be a back up and collect money, or would he rather play? The guy and his great grand kids could retire tomorrow and they'd all be fine. Maybe he wants to play more than he wants to get 25 more million this year?

Originally posted by joanieb:
I just heard the heartbreaking news on the death of Dwayne Haskins, who I understood was to battle for the starting job in Pittsburgh. RIP, he was 24 and hit by a car on a Florida highway when he exited his vehicle.

Please forgive me if I sound totally cold, but this could open the door for a trade for Jimmy. I always hoped that Jimmy would go to Pittsburgh, but I feel bad about actually saying it.

Extremely sad but not shocking when it comes to South Florida. You really have to watch stopping anywhere aside the road around there.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Umm do you understand salary cap at all? Lynch literally said the plan is for Deebo to have a new contract this offseason. Can't happen with Jimmy still on the books bc we don't have enough money. 🤡

Biggest falsehood currently being peddled: Jimmy Garoppolo's cap hit is somehow preventing 49ers from extending Deebo Samuel.

SF can actually keep Samuel's 2022 cap hit the same/maybe even lower it with an extension. This is simply about finding an agreeable long-term deal

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) April 7, 2022

Just because it's possible to extend Deebo without dramatically increasing his 2022 salary doesn't mean it's possible to do that AND make Deebo happy.

Well that's on Deebo. The clown was wrong.

No, if Deebo wants his salary in 2022 to be dramatically raised, then TheGore49er is right and everyone who called him a clown needs to look in the mirror.

100% wrong

Really? If Deebo wants 20 million per year for 2022, how are the 49ers going to pay him with Jimmy's contract, short of future-mortgaging restructures?

If the money is guaranteed in the future years regardless of injury, I'd imagine 2022 doesn't really matter. Unless he wants to buy a few mansions and some whips lol. He seems very down to earth tho.

To be fair. I can't see any scenario where JG is on this Ritter next year and at most we're getting a 4th, maybe a 3rd for him..... I'd just cut him and move on.

What if it does to Deebo? that was part of the stipulation of my argument. Dropping that creates a strawman which has nothing to do with anything I've said. And why wouldn't he want money now? Money in your hand now is generally more valuable than money that you'll probably get later (this is called the time value of money).

I guess if Deebo wants to be the only person in the last 10 years to be this big of a dick he could ask for it this way. He wont. But your crazy scenario is correct. He could.

As I said in the above post, Mike Williams is getting 28 million this year.
https://overthecap.com/player/mike-williams/5591/

14 of it counts against the cap. So where are we gonna get that 9 more million when we have 1 to 2 million to spare? EDIT — that's just to match Mike Williams, who I sure Deebo feels is not on his level.

It's still early in the offseason to get a deal done. Jimmy's money is not guaranteed. He can get cut and that money can be used towards Deebos contract. Assuming they come to an agreement. That's why it's clownish to say Jimmy is f**king the team again when there are ways around it. Lombardi set out one way to do it. Im sure Paarage is smart enough to figure out all the ins n outs.

but again, assuming they come to agreement. It's still early, nothing needs to get done today. It's just a bunch of impatient posters needing immediate satisfaction and blaming Jimmy for it lol.

Which ways around it are there to get Deebo a contract this week? Deebo is clearly mad NOW, not in three months when Jimmy gets cut or traded.