Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by cciowa:
smart teams. well run teams. teams that are smart with a cap do not keep a 27 million dollar back up qb...... the reason we got trey so was in theory.. we could be more than just competitive. keeping jimmy invites un needed drama in this team.. and if your theory is right that trey is not ready or not the guy they thought he was.. well. then we have a much bigger problem on our team and lynch and kyle will then get fired in my opinion. sad that in many circles here.. we have went from WIN NOW to being happy with competitive

I wouldn't panic of the $27m as backup qb.. he was signed in early 2018 to that deal a lot has changed since then.. for all his faults if the D pitches a shutout for 2 quarters we win a SB ring maybe 2 SB rings..

The situation will resolve itself. Gonna be TL and Suds with Brock on PS...

he loses the super bowl.. almost loses the rams game and packers game and loses a ten point lead vs the rams.. we had to win in spite of jimmy at the end last year.the defense is not to blame for those losses in my opinion. the d and deebo are the reasons we won. seen enough from jimmy. the little train who almost could but at the end of the day is unable to do so. if brock ends up number two. i will not roll out the shock and awe.... i really wanted his tight end team mate kolar

We are on to TL...

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by cciowa:
smart teams. well run teams. teams that are smart with a cap do not keep a 27 million dollar back up qb...... the reason we got trey so was in theory.. we could be more than just competitive. keeping jimmy invites un needed drama in this team.. and if your theory is right that trey is not ready or not the guy they thought he was.. well. then we have a much bigger problem on our team and lynch and kyle will then get fired in my opinion. sad that in many circles here.. we have went from WIN NOW to being happy with competitive

I wouldn't panic of the $27m as backup qb.. he was signed in early 2018 to that deal a lot has changed since then.. for all his faults if the D pitches a shutout for 2 quarters we win a SB ring maybe 2 SB rings..

The situation will resolve itself. Gonna be TL and Suds with Brock on PS...

Its simple really. If a defense gives up less than 24 points in a game and the team loses, its the offenses fault. If the offense scores more than 24 points and the team loses, its the defenses fault. Imo, 24 points is the divide for who is to blame for a loss.

How long until the pure hatred some have for Jimmy turns onto Trey??

Over or under his 10th start

I'm putting money on under

Originally posted by Brucey72:
How long until the pure hatred some have for Jimmy turns onto Trey??

Over or under his 10th start

I'm putting money on under

Under... Way under.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Thought we banned that dude

More than just him around

Originally posted by Brucey72:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Sickaa:
Fans are gonna be upset when they realise Jimmy Is still on the team come week 1.

If it's for $25 million, then yea. If he's willing to take a pay cut down to the vet minimum and understands his role is to backup Lance and Sudfeld, then it's a little more palatable. I'd still prefer to keep Purdy over Jimmy and I hope the coaching staff gives Purdy a legitimate shot to unseat Jimmy as the 3rd QB.

Jimmy has zero incentive to take a paycut. Players don't just take less money when they are under contract. They need a reason to do so, like an extension....which he won't get here.

I still put it at 0% he is on the team next year.

0% chance he agrees to take a pay cut. He literally said "last year was strange and I wouldn't wish that on anyone " he doesn't want to be here. Noway he takes a pay cut to stay. Only way he stays is for the entire contract.

Highly unlikely the 9ers carry Jimmy on the roster this year. So, the options are to trade Jimmy somewhere that'll absorb his contract (or a combination of 9ers absorbing parts and new team absorb the remaining, etc) or release Jimmy and he'll have to negotiate a new contract. If Jimmy is released, it's possible he'll have to take a lower salary with a new team.

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by joeknows:
That was not Lances first NFL Throw. It wasn't even his first throw from that particular game (a 16 yard completion). He'd already made 178 yards NFL regular season pass yardage at that point. He ended the season TD:5, INT:2.

Four of those five td's were Jimmy's, that shanny cleverly redirected to a rookie after Jimmy led the offense to the red zone. I'm sure that will come up in restructuring talks with Jimmy, if it hasn't already.

Just an out right lie.

Two of the passing Tds came against the Seahawks when Trey started the 2nd half for an injured again Jimmy, and another 2 came during his start against Houston.

Yup your right. I was totally wrong about these numbers. Sorry for the confusion.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Why you putting words in my mouth?

Nothing in the NFL is guaranteed. I like the conservative approach rather than sell the future to go all out and try to win it now approach. The one approach is a gamble and not sustainable. The other approach gives us long term competitiveness and a chance at competing for multiple SB's.

i get it,, safe.. thats fine.. competitive. thats fine i was that way after the jt and chip things but now i have more lofty goals of this team. are you actually interested in winning a super bowl or is it just good enough to be there. its fine.. i get alot of fans have moved away from last year at this time.. when the montra was..... we are resigning all these guys to a one year deal and we are keeping jimmy cuz we are in a win now mode... we have a team set to win the super bowl... so..... things have changed now.. do you consider this a throwaway year in treys first year>? sorry.. i thought the entire reason we got trey was to elevate this team.. get it over the hump,,.. was i wrong or was i mislead or was i mistold? because now to alot of people.. it seems we are just happy to not take chances. sign safe players. be safe.. and just hope to be competitive.

Originally posted by Brucey72:
How long until the pure hatred some have for Jimmy turns onto Trey??

Over or under his 10th start

I'm putting money on under

Anyone who has the same standards for a player in his 10th start as a player in his 8th year should have his opinions completely ignored anyway.

And for the record, any of the people who will have pure hatred for Trey anytime in year 1 are going to be the Jimmy homers. You know that as well as everyone else.

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Why you putting words in my mouth?

Nothing in the NFL is guaranteed. I like the conservative approach rather than sell the future to go all out and try to win it now approach. The one approach is a gamble and not sustainable. The other approach gives us long term competitiveness and a chance at competing for multiple SB's.

i get it,, safe.. thats fine.. competitive. thats fine i was that way after the jt and chip things but now i have more lofty goals of this team. are you actually interested in winning a super bowl or is it just good enough to be there. its fine.. i get alot of fans have moved away from last year at this time.. when the montra was..... we are resigning all these guys to a one year deal and we are keeping jimmy cuz we are in a win now mode... we have a team set to win the super bowl... so..... things have changed now.. do you consider this a throwaway year in treys first year>? sorry.. i thought the entire reason we got trey was to elevate this team.. get it over the hump,,.. was i wrong or was i mislead or was i mistold? because now to alot of people.. it seems we are just happy to not take chances. sign safe players. be safe.. and just hope to be competitive.

I believe Trey will be the starter and Jimmy will be gone. I have expressed that so many times on these boards, ad nauseum.

Are you comparing the Shanahan/Lynch regime to the JT and Chip eras?

Yes. I am in favor of the long term approach that puts us in contention every or every other season rather than the gamble the future for the win now approach. The high risk/high reward approach is no guarantee and can really put this team in a terrible spot going forward.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I wouldn't panic of the $27m as backup qb.. he was signed in early 2018 to that deal a lot has changed since then.. for all his faults if the D pitches a shutout for 2 quarters we win a SB ring maybe 2 SB rings..

The situation will resolve itself. Gonna be TL and Suds with Brock on PS...

I guess some of us are just wanting a QB that we dont have to make statements like "if the defense gives up 0 points for 2 quarters we win a SB ring."

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
I'm very curious.

The niners drafted Trey to replace him.
He's pretty much gone when he's all healed up.
He brought a winning culture back to this organization. Player after player have defended him.
All the above yet you still feel the need to bash the guy even to this day.

Why? What's the obsession?

Hearing you, and not sure about the obsession either. To me, for some posters and what they continue to throw up in this thread, it's very revealing in a few ways.

Yes, it would have been incredible if he could have done more to help to pull out that SB and get #6 for this franchise. And then, done more to get past the Rams last year (and after that, helped to win last year's SB - I think that team would have handled the Bengals again). Still makes me as pissed as anyone in thinking about all of it.

I have as high expectations for the QB position and for this franchise as any fellow fan in having seen (and remembering clearly) the excellence in bringing home five SBs without a loss. That said, I can also appreciate the mostly very good QB play from Garoppolo during his time here in helping this team get back to winning, winning 35 of the 51 games he started (yes, helping - but also playing a key part many times at the most position in sports over those 51 games).

Along the way, he also helped this team put up 27 ppg., win nine games with late-game key drives, and go 4-2 in the playoffs (many teams don't have ANY recent playoff victories...the Steelers, maybe the top all-time NFL franchise, haven't won a playoff game since 2016).

It's comical to see some of these posts trying so hard to tear Garoppolo down and pick apart plays/missed opportunities here and there. Yes, his streaky play at times was frustrating...his occasional bad decision making/TOs had me screaming at the TV...yes, all the injuries were frustrating...and again, coming up short in the SB & NFCCG. Yet for some posters in here and their football takes pertaining to Garoppolo as an NFL QB...let's just say it tells me all I need to know and it's not worth the time of day.

In going forward, just have to hope Lance is that guy to lead the team and not just be better than Garoppolo but help get this franchise over the hump in winning more SBs.

My take on it has always been that sports, in general, seem to attract some pretty fringe personalities whose identities become way too tied up with their team. It's like the YouTube clips you see of guys in their man caves with their team caps and jerseys on and every inch of available wall space covered in memorabilia of whatever team they happen to follow ranting about some loss or draft pick they didn't like or going on about this that or the other thing. Their primary focus in life seems to be the desire to see their team win Championships.. Because of the success the 49ers had for so many years a lot of "fans" have determined that winning Super Bowls is now some kind of birthright and when the 49ers are winners, well then by extension that must mean that they are winners too. So Jimmy becomes an easy scapegoat because he "lost" them their Super Bowls and denied them their validation. Not saying that applies to everyone in here but it is certainly a factor. It seems that there are some people who just like to listen to themselves talk and are so in love with their own opinions that there isn't any room for anyone else's so it becomes a constant parade of posts to "prove" that they are right. At the end of the day it's just a game, a modest diversion from the rigors of everyday life, and when I joined this forum I thought it might be a nice outlet to talk about a team I have followed since I was a kid, Sadly, that's not how it has turned out.

Possibly the greatest back to back posts of all time.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Thought we banned that dude

More than just him around

It's okay. We will survive other people having opinions.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Brucey72:
How long until the pure hatred some have for Jimmy turns onto Trey??

Over or under his 10th start

I'm putting money on under

Anyone who has the same standards for a player in his 10th start as a player in his 8th year should have his opinions completely ignored anyway.

And for the record, any of the people who will have pure hatred for Trey anytime in year 1 are going to be the Jimmy homers. You know that as well as everyone else.

This.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by cciowa:
smart teams. well run teams. teams that are smart with a cap do not keep a 27 million dollar back up qb...... the reason we got trey so was in theory.. we could be more than just competitive. keeping jimmy invites un needed drama in this team.. and if your theory is right that trey is not ready or not the guy they thought he was.. well. then we have a much bigger problem on our team and lynch and kyle will then get fired in my opinion. sad that in many circles here.. we have went from WIN NOW to being happy with competitive

I wouldn't panic of the $27m as backup qb.. he was signed in early 2018 to that deal a lot has changed since then.. for all his faults if the D pitches a shutout for 2 quarters we win a SB ring maybe 2 SB rings..

The situation will resolve itself. Gonna be TL and Suds with Brock on PS...

Its simple really. If a defense gives up less than 24 points in a game and the team loses, its the offenses fault. If the offense scores more than 24 points and the team loses, its the defenses fault. Imo, 24 points is the divide for who is to blame for a loss.

20 points has been enough to win a Superbowl 16% of the time (and almost 50% of those wins came in 1975 or before).