Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I think some folks are just afraid that Jimmy won't be able to live up to his success he had here and that Kyle will find success without him. It will kill their narrative that Kyle needs Jimmy more than Jimmy needs Kyle.

Or the opposite...

I'm still waiting for Kyle to have success with a qb other than Jimmy. look how great his hand picked qb that he traded up for in the 3rd round turned out.could it be there's a reason he wanted Kirk so bad? I've yet to have any confirmation that Kyle is able to hand pick a talented qb.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Perhaps the run game was a bit predictable. But what is Jimmy's excuse for missing a wide open Deebo down the sideline and also missing Aiyuk over the middle on the same play or the other handful of plays he left out on the field? You actually have to throw the ball in order to use the injury excuse.

Those are throws most Qbs should be making, I agree. That Isn't something new with Jimmy though, Is It? We have known this since 2019 when the run game and defense carried him for the most part. With Jimmy struggling, why not bring Lance In for a couple of plays to provide a spark for the offense? All that draft capital used only for the 9ers to play It safe with Mr "average"

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
You're welcome.

I agree with you somewhat. However, I didn't agree with Josh Putnam's criticism of not running the ball late in the game. Mitchell was virtually non existent all game. Deebo had some success early on running the ball. However, the Rams really shut the run game down in the second half. The Rams were forcing Jimmy to throw the ball. Jimmy had a handful of opportunities late in the game and he missed them. You cannot blame Shanahan for scheming guys open and Jimmy either not seeing them or refusing to pull the trigger.

Tbh. It's not hard top shutdown a run game when the plays are predictable... For example, running the ball up the gut with Deebo on consecutive plays to start the game was about as predictable as it gets. We all Saw those plays coming a mile away.

yet it forced the Rams to run blitz up the middle.. and ended up with wide open guys to throw to... jimmmy was scared to throw

We still making excuses for Kyle's poor game plan? I guess it's just a coincidence that his offenses have failed to score a single point In the 4th quarter of games I previously mentioned?.

the options are there.. it's not like everyone was covered and had no one to throw to

Kyle doesn't have controller in his hands.. the QB has to play the game

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Perhaps the run game was a bit predictable. But what is Jimmy's excuse for missing a wide open Deebo down the sideline and also missing Aiyuk over the middle on the same play or the other handful of plays he left out on the field? You actually have to throw the ball in order to use the injury excuse.

Those are throws most Qbs should be making, I agree. That Isn't something new with Jimmy though, Is It? We have known this since 2019 when the run game and defense carried him for the most part. With Jimmy struggling, why not bring Lance In for a couple of plays to provide a spark for the offense? All that draft capital used only for the 9ers to play It safe with Mr "average"

Idk. Maybe Shanahan thought he owed Jimmy the opportunity to prove himself? I don't think it had anything to do with not having any confidence in Trey Lance though.

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by joanieb:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Once they moved up for a QB in the draft, Jimmy was playing on borrowed time. One of the greatest assets in having a starting QB on a rookie contract is the money you can invest around him….they've already wasted a yr of that contract and here you are trying to burn another yr AND pay an avg QB $27M in FGTD cash lol.

You think Jimmy is gonna win us a super bowl? Honestly? He's been dreadful in the playoffs and has had his chances….if SF can find a trade partner he's gone and that's a fact. The league played musical chairs with starting QBs this off season and we couldn't even get a sniff for him….The only reason he's still on the team is because they can't move him right now. Period.

You say that Jimmy has been dreadful in the playoffs ... not true at all. In 2019 he beats the Vikings and Packers, but in 2021 he was better going on the road to beat the Cowboys and Packers as an underdog. That's a good record. When he looses to the Chiefs, he lost to the best team in the NFL and he did the same thing last year. OK, he's not No. 1, but he's not dreadful ... you might call him No. 2 at least in terms of playoffs. He's not dreadful, far from it.

His efficiency stats in those 6 playoff games plus the SB say otherwise.

So I like Jimmy, but I don't think he's played well in the postseason at all. You can put it on Jimmy, the injurries this last postseason, the oline, or even Kyle for screwing with Jimmy's confidence.

First playoff game, Jimmy drives down the field in the first game and hits kendrick Bourne for a perfect drive and td. Jimmy then plays well until he throws a stupid interception in the red zone. Shanahan pics, takes the ball out of Jimmy's hands and the rest is history. He hardly thrown the ball against the packers the next week. At this point I think what Shanahan does is not reversible. Without another postseason shot, Shanahan drafts trey. So you can basically say the niners gave up on Jimmy after 1 postseason. The next postseason Jimmy was essentially injured and playing through a finger and shoulder injury in addition to the pressure knieibg hes a lame duck. In my opinion, Jimmy got a raw deal, but it is what is. He didn't play well at the end of the day in the postseason.

the IRONY on this is that when KS10 needed to run the ball against KC, he puts it on Grappy's hand... so in so many ways, KS10 has gots to take as much blame as Grappy and that's what these followers needs to accept..

Jimmy was not all pro.. couldn't even be a Pro Bowler last year... but Shanny ain't GREAT.. so FARRRRRR from it..

. and I will always say the TRUE facts that Shanny had his chances to pull the plug on Grappy if he was not all in, had chance to trade for Brady and Staff but did NOT..

it can't be all on Grappy...

He made an effort for Stafford, talked to his agent, but just got out-maneuvered by the Rams.

The Brady thing was inexcusable.

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Perhaps the run game was a bit predictable. But what is Jimmy's excuse for missing a wide open Deebo down the sideline and also missing Aiyuk over the middle on the same play or the other handful of plays he left out on the field? You actually have to throw the ball in order to use the injury excuse.

Those are throws most Qbs should be making, I agree. That Isn't something new with Jimmy though, Is It? We have known this since 2019 when the run game and defense carried him for the most part. With Jimmy struggling, why not bring Lance In for a couple of plays to provide a spark for the offense? All that draft capital used only for the 9ers to play It safe with Mr "average"

Idk. Maybe Shanahan thought he owed Jimmy the opportunity to prove himself? I don't think it had anything to do with not having any confidence in Trey Lance though.

Double post.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
You're welcome.

I agree with you somewhat. However, I didn't agree with Josh Putnam's criticism of not running the ball late in the game. Mitchell was virtually non existent all game. Deebo had some success early on running the ball. However, the Rams really shut the run game down in the second half. The Rams were forcing Jimmy to throw the ball. Jimmy had a handful of opportunities late in the game and he missed them. You cannot blame Shanahan for scheming guys open and Jimmy either not seeing them or refusing to pull the trigger.

Tbh. It's not hard top shutdown a run game when the plays are predictable... For example, running the ball up the gut with Deebo on consecutive plays to start the game was about as predictable as it gets. We all Saw those plays coming a mile away.

yet it forced the Rams to run blitz up the middle.. and ended up with wide open guys to throw to... jimmmy was scared to throw

We still making excuses for Kyle's poor game plan? I guess it's just a coincidence that his offenses have failed to score a single point In the 4th quarter of games I previously mentioned?.

the options are there.. it's not like everyone was covered and had no one to throw to

Kyle doesn't have controller in his hands.. the QB has to play the game

He's been missing throws since 2019. No excuse not to at least give Lance a shot at providing the offense with a spark. Kyle became too attached to Deebo because of the success he had all year running the ball. The Rams wasn't allowing that to happen again.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Idk. Maybe Shanahan thought he owed Jimmy the opportunity to prove himself? I don't think it had anything to do with not having any confidence in Trey Lance though.

That would make the most sense. Unfortunately, his loyalty to JG hurt us.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by joanieb:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Once they moved up for a QB in the draft, Jimmy was playing on borrowed time. One of the greatest assets in having a starting QB on a rookie contract is the money you can invest around him….they've already wasted a yr of that contract and here you are trying to burn another yr AND pay an avg QB $27M in FGTD cash lol.

You think Jimmy is gonna win us a super bowl? Honestly? He's been dreadful in the playoffs and has had his chances….if SF can find a trade partner he's gone and that's a fact. The league played musical chairs with starting QBs this off season and we couldn't even get a sniff for him….The only reason he's still on the team is because they can't move him right now. Period.

You say that Jimmy has been dreadful in the playoffs ... not true at all. In 2019 he beats the Vikings and Packers, but in 2021 he was better going on the road to beat the Cowboys and Packers as an underdog. That's a good record. When he looses to the Chiefs, he lost to the best team in the NFL and he did the same thing last year. OK, he's not No. 1, but he's not dreadful ... you might call him No. 2 at least in terms of playoffs. He's not dreadful, far from it.

His efficiency stats in those 6 playoff games plus the SB say otherwise.

So I like Jimmy, but I don't think he's played well in the postseason at all. You can put it on Jimmy, the injurries this last postseason, the oline, or even Kyle for screwing with Jimmy's confidence.

First playoff game, Jimmy drives down the field in the first game and hits kendrick Bourne for a perfect drive and td. Jimmy then plays well until he throws a stupid interception in the red zone. Shanahan pics, takes the ball out of Jimmy's hands and the rest is history. He hardly thrown the ball against the packers the next week. At this point I think what Shanahan does is not reversible. Without another postseason shot, Shanahan drafts trey. So you can basically say the niners gave up on Jimmy after 1 postseason. The next postseason Jimmy was essentially injured and playing through a finger and shoulder injury in addition to the pressure knieibg hes a lame duck. In my opinion, Jimmy got a raw deal, but it is what is. He didn't play well at the end of the day in the postseason.

the IRONY on this is that when KS10 needed to run the ball against KC, he puts it on Grappy's hand... so in so many ways, KS10 has gots to take as much blame as Grappy and that's what these followers needs to accept..

Jimmy was not all pro.. couldn't even be a Pro Bowler last year... but Shanny ain't GREAT.. so FARRRRRR from it..

. and I will always say the TRUE facts that Shanny had his chances to pull the plug on Grappy if he was not all in, had chance to trade for Brady and Staff but did NOT..

it can't be all on Grappy...

He made an effort for Stafford, talked to his agent, but just got out-maneuvered by the Rams.

The Brady thing was inexcusable.

A lot of folks, including myself, thought Brady was done. I can't blame the FO for that. They also tried to go after Watson until the allegations began to surface. The truth is they were actively trying to move on from Jimmy since early 2021 at the least.

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Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
You're welcome.

I agree with you somewhat. However, I didn't agree with Josh Putnam's criticism of not running the ball late in the game. Mitchell was virtually non existent all game. Deebo had some success early on running the ball. However, the Rams really shut the run game down in the second half. The Rams were forcing Jimmy to throw the ball. Jimmy had a handful of opportunities late in the game and he missed them. You cannot blame Shanahan for scheming guys open and Jimmy either not seeing them or refusing to pull the trigger.

Tbh. It's not hard top shutdown a run game when the plays are predictable... For example, running the ball up the gut with Deebo on consecutive plays to start the game was about as predictable as it gets. We all Saw those plays coming a mile away.

yet it forced the Rams to run blitz up the middle.. and ended up with wide open guys to throw to... jimmmy was scared to throw

We still making excuses for Kyle's poor game plan? I guess it's just a coincidence that his offenses have failed to score a single point In the 4th quarter of games I previously mentioned?.

the options are there.. it's not like everyone was covered and had no one to throw to

Kyle doesn't have controller in his hands.. the QB has to play the game

He's been missing throws since 2019. No excuse not to at least give Lance a shot at providing the offense with a spark. Kyle became too attached to Deebo because of the success he had all year running the ball. The Rams wasn't allowing that to happen again.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Idk. Maybe Shanahan thought he owed Jimmy the opportunity to prove himself? I don't think it had anything to do with not having any confidence in Trey Lance though.

That would make the most sense. Unfortunately, his loyalty to JG hurt us.

I just think fans go out of their way to put all of the blame on Shanahan. He definitely deserves some of it. But folks try to twist things that happen in game that weren't really in his control. The offensive line looked straight silly at times, the run game was going no where. Shanahan dials up some passing plays and Jimmy doesn't execute.

Like I said, I blame Shanahan for some of it. But I am willing to wait and see what he does with Trey. If the same old same old happens with Trey as has happened in the NFCCG and SB with Jimmy then I will lay down my judgement on Shanahan. But not before then.

Originally posted by CenCal9er:
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Originally posted by Sickaa:
Not to put all the blame on Kyle or anything, but his offense did fail to score any points In the 4th quarter of 3 crucial games. The Falcons/Pats super bowl. The 9ers/Chiefs super bowl and the NFCCG against the Rams. At some point, we have to stop making excuses for his lack of offensive production when It matters most. This Is a part of Kyles game that needs some serious Improvement. Let's see If we see a difference with Lance as our QB

Dude go look at the film from the NFCC. I've posted half a dozen plays were guys are wide freaking open....overall I know how you feel about Kyle.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I am pretty sure this play was called on the final drive or second to final drive. Kittle fakes a block and sneaks out for what would be a high percentage pass with a lot of open field for Kittle to do damage.

First, I hate photos. Show the actual play as photos can be so deceiving. Also, how do you know the progression?

I'm not defending Jimmy in any way, but Kyle should not be exempt from criticism. He s**t the bed royally In the 4th. Specifically that 1st drive in the 4th. His 4th quarter play calling needs improvement in big games. That's what winners do.

How about a whole thread of plays, first explaining what the play is and the read then a all-22 clip breaking down the play? I've provided this to you many times and you kinda just pass by it.


No you are defending Jimmy and for the most part always have...you've pointed fingers at Kyle WAY MORE in the past and plays like these happen all the damn time. What's the point in paying a QB $140M if he can't read the field properly pre/post? What's the point in paying a QB $140M that can't use the whole field? WINNERS make those plays, which were there in the 4th QR.

Originally posted by Sickaa:
The game against the Rams In the NFCCG wasn't the first time Kyle's offense failed to score a single point. We can blame the QB all we want, but like I said, Kyle deserves plenty of blame too. Besides, It was Kyle who decided to stick with Jimmy all year.. that's on him, Is It not?

You can blame every single HC when they don't score or lose.

Each play should be looked at if we're gonna put blame on so an so, it's not just a hey they didn't score so blame the HC or blame the QB. You can put together the perfect play call but if the players don't execute it doesn't mean a damn.