Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by NYniner85:

By video, the news is not good.https://t.co/kgOMHGzmiA

— David J. Chao - ProFootballDoc (@ProFootballDoc) August 13, 2022

OMG, Jimmy is headed to the Jets.

Originally posted by picklejuice:
flacco is a real qb, he can throw the deep ball unlike jimmy g.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
First of all, I just gave you a second year, which supports the results of the 2021 data. Second, you're talking about TOTAL TURNOVERS, I'm talking about interception percentage or interceptions per game. Third, you're talking about turnover EDGE. That's a comparison between two teams and win percentage, and when I say "teams" I mean it, because it's a direct comparison between two teams.

Do you understand the flaw in your counter here? This is not an apples to apples comparison.

If you wanted an apples to apples comparison, you'd need me to go through and compare INTERCEPTION EDGE between two QBs in a given game (say Jimmy throws 1 and Stafford throws 2). But that isn't what interceptions gives you.

Additionally, total turnovers includes fumbles.

You do understand that turnover edge is NOT THE SAME THING as interceptions, right?

EDIT—I believe what I said was INTs don't matter much.
Why did you leave that qualifier out? It's almost like you're trying to deceive. Kind of like how you've brought in this apples to oranges comparison, comparing the net result from two teams with a team stat to the single stat of QB INTs. "Don't matter much" means that COMPARED TO OTHER QB STATISTICS they do not matter much. Nothing has meaning apart from comparison to something else.

I mean, that would be like me saying points scored has X-win% correlation, and then you chiming in with score differential to say that points scored win% is inaccurate. I mean really, you don't seem like you're focused enough for this discussion. Team turnover differential is simply not the same thing as interceptions. They are related, but not overwhelmingly. Interceptions are mostly on your QB, and to a lesser extent, your targets, your line, their defensive line, and their backend defenders. But turnover differential is ALSO dependent on all their offensive players, as well as all your defensive players. Not to mention, both team's special teams.

They are not the same. So stop acting like they are the same. You are making a massive logical fallacy.

You've been given two years of data supporting the claim that INT% has only a weak negative correlation with winning. How many more will be strong enough to break through your anti-Jimmy bias on this? Note that this is coming from someone who the Jimmy bots think is a Jimmy hater.

Okay now interceptions are not turnovers.

😂😂😂😂😂

I'm done here.

This is LITERALLY what I wrote before you went on your diatribe. Notice the bold. Just scroll up and read it. No? I'll post again:

I absolutely disagree and you're going to have to provide some proof here because TURNOVERS ABSOLUTELY correlate to W/L, especially in the playoffs and I can provide an endless stream of articles about that. The fact we win despite that speaks to the talent on the team that can overcome qb -driven turnovers. As evidence I don't see a lot of teams looking for QB starters who have gaudy INT rates.

Yeah, you're done, because you don't understand that turnovers are fumbles PLUS interceptions, and that turnover DIFFERENTIAL isn't the same thing as ints. It's like you're not following what I wrote. Is my English bad? Or is it too complex?

Why are you not able to follow the statement that interceptions PLUS fumbles are turnovers, and that while INTs DO have a negative correlation with winning, that correlation has a SMALLER MAGNITUDE than moving the chains?

And why is it that the OBVIOUS REASON—that interceptions happen infrequently—is too complex a thought for you to process?

Right now, yes or no: is turnover differential the same thing as interceptions?

Are they the same thing? If you answer yes, you embarrass yourself. If you answer no, you owe me an apology.

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
First of all, I just gave you a second year, which supports the results of the 2021 data. Second, you're talking about TOTAL TURNOVERS, I'm talking about interception percentage or interceptions per game. Third, you're talking about turnover EDGE. That's a comparison between two teams and win percentage, and when I say "teams" I mean it, because it's a direct comparison between two teams.

Do you understand the flaw in your counter here? This is not an apples to apples comparison.

If you wanted an apples to apples comparison, you'd need me to go through and compare INTERCEPTION EDGE between two QBs in a given game (say Jimmy throws 1 and Stafford throws 2). But that isn't what interceptions gives you.

Additionally, total turnovers includes fumbles.

You do understand that turnover edge is NOT THE SAME THING as interceptions, right?

EDIT—I believe what I said was INTs don't matter much.
Why did you leave that qualifier out? It's almost like you're trying to deceive. Kind of like how you've brought in this apples to oranges comparison, comparing the net result from two teams with a team stat to the single stat of QB INTs. "Don't matter much" means that COMPARED TO OTHER QB STATISTICS they do not matter much. Nothing has meaning apart from comparison to something else.

I mean, that would be like me saying points scored has X-win% correlation, and then you chiming in with score differential to say that points scored win% is inaccurate. I mean really, you don't seem like you're focused enough for this discussion. Team turnover differential is simply not the same thing as interceptions. They are related, but not overwhelmingly. Interceptions are mostly on your QB, and to a lesser extent, your targets, your line, their defensive line, and their backend defenders. But turnover differential is ALSO dependent on all their offensive players, as well as all your defensive players. Not to mention, both team's special teams.

They are not the same. So stop acting like they are the same. You are making a massive logical fallacy.

You've been given two years of data supporting the claim that INT% has only a weak negative correlation with winning. How many more will be strong enough to break through your anti-Jimmy bias on this? Note that this is coming from someone who the Jimmy bots think is a Jimmy hater.

Okay now interceptions are not turnovers.

😂😂😂😂😂

I'm done here.

Makes his entire rankings hysterical

Only if you lack the basic intelligence to follow the argument.

Turnovers consist of more than INTs, and turnover DIFFERENTIAL—which he brought up—consists of more than simply turnovers.

The issue is that you guys are not capable of following extremely simple chains of reasoning.

Right now, yes or no: is turnover differential the same thing as interceptions?

It's a yes or no question. Please answer yes or no. If your answer is no, I'll expect an apology.

5GR is back and in midseason form

Originally posted by NYniner85:

By video, the news is not good.https://t.co/kgOMHGzmiA

— David J. Chao - ProFootballDoc (@ProFootballDoc) August 13, 2022

Just saw a tweet the Jets think its a torn ACL

Originally posted by Watsonville49er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

By video, the news is not good.https://t.co/kgOMHGzmiA

— David J. Chao - ProFootballDoc (@ProFootballDoc) August 13, 2022

Just saw a tweet the Jets think its a torn ACL

Not to be insensitive, but how fortunate would that be for us.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Watsonville49er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

By video, the news is not good.https://t.co/kgOMHGzmiA

— David J. Chao - ProFootballDoc (@ProFootballDoc) August 13, 2022

Just saw a tweet the Jets think its a torn ACL

Not to be insensitive, but how fortunate would that be for us.

Jets don't have a lot of cap room unfortunately.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Watsonville49er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

By video, the news is not good.https://t.co/kgOMHGzmiA

— David J. Chao - ProFootballDoc (@ProFootballDoc) August 13, 2022

Just saw a tweet the Jets think its a torn ACL

Not to be insensitive, but how fortunate would that be for us.

I wouldn't be surprised if they just roll with Flacco instead

Jimmy ain't going to the Jets

"He should be, in my opinion," Saleh said of Flacco as a starter, via Cody Benjamin of CBS Sports. "He could start in this league. I believe that. Sometimes this league has a tendency to pigeonhole people, or put labels on people, and then their opportunities kind of get limited. But Joe Flacco is a starting quarterback in this league. He's really, really talented."

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
5GR is back and in midseason form

It's not my fault people aren't willing to or able to recognize that an element of a set isn't the same thing as the entire set. Interception rate and turnover differential are no more the same thing than Joe Biden and the U.S. Government are the same thing. Or that your pet cat is all the Felidae family. Again, not my fault these guys can't organize their thoughts well enough to see the obvious difference.

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Jimmy ain't going to the Jets

"He should be, in my opinion," Saleh said of Flacco as a starter, via Cody Benjamin of CBS Sports. "He could start in this league. I believe that. Sometimes this league has a tendency to pigeonhole people, or put labels on people, and then their opportunities kind of get limited. But Joe Flacco is a starting quarterback in this league. He's really, really talented."

We'll find out shortly just how genuine he was being there.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Jimmy ain't going to the Jets

"He should be, in my opinion," Saleh said of Flacco as a starter, via Cody Benjamin of CBS Sports. "He could start in this league. I believe that. Sometimes this league has a tendency to pigeonhole people, or put labels on people, and then their opportunities kind of get limited. But Joe Flacco is a starting quarterback in this league. He's really, really talented."

We'll find out shortly just how genuine he was being there.

Jimmy is better than Flacco, but Flacco is cheaper.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Only if you lack the basic intelligence to follow the argument.

Turnovers consist of more than INTs, and turnover DIFFERENTIAL—which he brought up—consists of more than simply turnovers.

The issue is that you guys are not capable of following extremely simple chains of reasoning.

Right now, yes or no: is turnover differential the same thing as interceptions?

It's a yes or no question. Please answer yes or no. If your answer is no, I'll expect an apology.

Clearly you're way too smart for this forum. But if you'd like to hang around anyways, might wanna consider trying to be less combative.

If the Jets don't have a lot of cap room, why don't we eat a good chunk of Jimmy's salary this year but get a high draft pick as compensation? Thought the Jets had lots of high draft capital.