Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

"They are NOT going to trade for Jimmy Garoppolo."@jjones9 breaks down what's next for the Browns at QB after Deshaun Watson was handed an 11-game suspension. pic.twitter.com/mAdgI3f1Ac

— CBS Sports HQ (@CBSSportsHQ) August 18, 2022

Lynch lost the poker game. Just cut him tomorrow. What's the point?

The point is to not do Jimmy nor Seattle any favors.

Why does this simple fact hurt their feelings so much? Lol

Is it possible for you to post in this thread without using the word feelings, triggered, haters, or anything of that nature? My god give it a rest.

Who cares if Seattle gets Jimmy? I find it hard to believe that even the biggest Jimmy fans would believe that Jimmy makes Seattle a threat.

JG is still better than either QB battling it out in SEA.

the point is you DONT do anything, no matter how insignificant, to help a division rival. just because you and others dont feel he's an upgrade there, doesnt make it true. look at Sando's QB tier list. he polled NFL HCs and executives. they ranked Jimmy 16th in the NFL. Drew Locke came in at 34 and Geno Smith at 35.

Unless you actually think that Jimmy could take the Seahawks to the Super Bowl then Idk why anyone would care?

Jimmy just flat out doesn't match up well against our defense (Warner in the middle) or the roster in Seattle. It's a round peg in a square hole that would lead to nothing other than a lower draft pick for Mr gum chewer.

All in all I think Jimmy would win more games in Seattle than what they currently have but I think we would fair better against them due to our familiarity with his play style.

So Seattle not winning the Super Bowl is the only thing we care about? I mean SERIOUSLY??

We play the Seahawks in week 2. WEEK TWO. Should we let Jimmy go to Seattle and have that much extra time to prepare? Or would we be better off cutting him at the last possible minute, and giving him and Seattle that much less time to prepare? That one game could decide the division, you never know.

You love to put words in other people's mouths to form your arguments. It's extremely annoying.

I never said they should cut Jimmy right now or trade him to Seattle.

I'm saying anyone who thinks Jimmy might be a threat to us this season playing for the Seahawks is greatly overreacting to his overall impact and the hurdles he would have to go through to even learn their offense in time.

I mean… wouldn't you like to start against a QB week 2 that your defense practiced against for years, picked off 5 times in one practice, and has only had a couple weeks to learn the playbook?

The debate is whether we should cut Jimmy now, or wait. Your post was "Unless you actually think that Jimmy could take the Seahawks to the Super Bowl then Idk why anyone would care?" Hence why I said that about the Super Bowl. YOU brought it up, your words.

I agree we shouldn't be "afraid" of Jimmy on the Seahawks. But he's definitely a better option than they have now. And the longer he has to practice with them, the better. So cutting him now and giving him more practice time make no strategic sense.

Originally posted by boast:
the last example of a similar situation was Favre signing with the Vikings in 2009

Ugh I remember that Mark Roman miscue that gave the vikings that last second win.

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by TheRickestRick:

Originally posted by boast:
because that comment wasnt well thought out or logical. it's an apples and oranges comparison. there's a huge difference between a division rival signing a back up TE or 3rd CB and signing a starting QB who's been in the system for five years. the QB brings far more knowledge of the scheme and philosophy behind it to the rival than a positional player.

and you dont see a starting caliber QB being made available to a division rival often at all.

To add to that, especially with QBs its highly unusual to for QBs to leave for another team within a division and when trades do form most teams would prefer to trade with a team out of the conference. Not matter how unlikely... its never a good look to a front office when a former QB beats the team that gave him up. So dont do the other team any favors.

the last example of a similar situation was Favre signing with the Vikings in 2009

The Packers exchanged Favre for a fourth-round draft pick. The pick turns into a third-round selection if Favre plays in 50 percent of the plays this season, a second-rounder if he plays in 70 percent of the plays and the Jets qualify for the playoffs, and a first-round pick if he plays in 80 percent of the plays and Jets make it to the Super Bowl.

The Packers took great pains to ensure that Favre would not be traded to the Vikings by inserting a "poison pill" in the deal. If Favre were to be traded to Minnesota, the Jets would have to surrender three first-round picks to Green Bay.

Favre played every game. Jets were 9-7. GB got a 3rd round pick. That they used in a package to trade up to the 1st round and drafted Clay Matthews.

That's a one of a kind situation for a HOF QB and team doing everything to keep him away from a div rival.

Kyle shouldn't be scared of Jimmy going anywhere. He's used 5 different QBs against Seattle and he's 2-8 against them. Just play better defense now that Russ ain't there.

lol

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by TheRickestRick:
I dont think the argument is the sky is falling if he signs with them, I think the argument is that if it makes no difference to this team why let another team have a head start in getting him prepped. Remove the name from the player, If player A is better than Players B and C, and its a division rival why not make them wait.

I never said we should cut him now.

Im not saying it's your fault but it's weird how often I and others have to defend positions we don't even hold, in this thread.

Didnt think I was putting an argument in your mouth just objectively stating the two sides people seem to be debating. I didnt use "you", reference your opinion or anything like that, stated some of the positions going on in this thread. Maybe others are doing that so you are on the defense but you made it pretty obvious your viewpoint is to hold him till the last minute... now i have referenced your position and you can tell me if im wrong or not.

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by TheRickestRick:

Originally posted by boast:
because that comment wasnt well thought out or logical. it's an apples and oranges comparison. there's a huge difference between a division rival signing a back up TE or 3rd CB and signing a starting QB who's been in the system for five years. the QB brings far more knowledge of the scheme and philosophy behind it to the rival than a positional player.

and you dont see a starting caliber QB being made available to a division rival often at all.

To add to that, especially with QBs its highly unusual to for QBs to leave for another team within a division and when trades do form most teams would prefer to trade with a team out of the conference. Not matter how unlikely... its never a good look to a front office when a former QB beats the team that gave him up. So dont do the other team any favors.

the last example of a similar situation was Favre signing with the Vikings in 2009

The Packers exchanged Favre for a fourth-round draft pick. The pick turns into a third-round selection if Favre plays in 50 percent of the plays this season, a second-rounder if he plays in 70 percent of the plays and the Jets qualify for the playoffs, and a first-round pick if he plays in 80 percent of the plays and Jets make it to the Super Bowl.

The Packers took great pains to ensure that Favre would not be traded to the Vikings by inserting a "poison pill" in the deal. If Favre were to be traded to Minnesota, the Jets would have to surrender three first-round picks to Green Bay.

Favre played every game. Jets were 9-7. GB got a 3rd round pick. That they used in a package to trade up to the 1st round and drafted Clay Matthews.

That's a one of a kind situation for a HOF QB and team doing everything to keep him away from a div rival.

Kyle shouldn't be scared of Jimmy going anywhere. He's used 5 different QBs against Seattle and he's 2-8 against them. Just play better defense now that Russ ain't there.

lol

oh thats right i forgot about the Jets.

so then the closest example would be when PHI traded McNabb to WAS in 2010.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/08/18/the-tom-brady-training-camp-hiatus-gets-stranger-and-stranger/

Brady pulls a last min retirement, Jimmy to the Bucs. Boo-ya

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

"They are NOT going to trade for Jimmy Garoppolo."@jjones9 breaks down what's next for the Browns at QB after Deshaun Watson was handed an 11-game suspension. pic.twitter.com/mAdgI3f1Ac

— CBS Sports HQ (@CBSSportsHQ) August 18, 2022

Lynch lost the poker game. Just cut him tomorrow. What's the point?

The point is to not do Jimmy nor Seattle any favors.

Why does this simple fact hurt their feelings so much? Lol

Is it possible for you to post in this thread without using the word feelings, triggered, haters, or anything of that nature? My god give it a rest.

Who cares if Seattle gets Jimmy? I find it hard to believe that even the biggest Jimmy fans would believe that Jimmy makes Seattle a threat.

JG is still better than either QB battling it out in SEA.

the point is you DONT do anything, no matter how insignificant, to help a division rival. just because you and others dont feel he's an upgrade there, doesnt make it true. look at Sando's QB tier list. he polled NFL HCs and executives. they ranked Jimmy 16th in the NFL. Drew Locke came in at 34 and Geno Smith at 35.

Unless you actually think that Jimmy could take the Seahawks to the Super Bowl then Idk why anyone would care?

Jimmy just flat out doesn't match up well against our defense (Warner in the middle) or the roster in Seattle. It's a round peg in a square hole that would lead to nothing other than a lower draft pick for Mr gum chewer.

All in all I think Jimmy would win more games in Seattle than what they currently have but I think we would fair better against them due to our familiarity with his play style.

So Seattle not winning the Super Bowl is the only thing we care about? I mean SERIOUSLY??

We play the Seahawks in week 2. WEEK TWO. Should we let Jimmy go to Seattle and have that much extra time to prepare? Or would we be better off cutting him at the last possible minute, and giving him and Seattle that much less time to prepare? That one game could decide the division, you never know.

You love to put words in other people's mouths to form your arguments. It's extremely annoying.

I never said they should cut Jimmy right now or trade him to Seattle.

I'm saying anyone who thinks Jimmy might be a threat to us this season playing for the Seahawks is greatly overreacting to his overall impact and the hurdles he would have to go through to even learn their offense in time.

I mean… wouldn't you like to start against a QB week 2 that your defense practiced against for years, picked off 5 times in one practice, and has only had a couple weeks to learn the playbook?

The debate is whether we should cut Jimmy now, or wait. Your post was "Unless you actually think that Jimmy could take the Seahawks to the Super Bowl then Idk why anyone would care?" Hence why I said that about the Super Bowl. YOU brought it up, your words.

I agree we shouldn't be "afraid" of Jimmy on the Seahawks. But he's definitely a better option than they have now. And the longer he has to practice with them, the better. So cutting him now and giving him more practice time make no strategic sense.

Fair enough, I agree it makes no sense to cut him now vs later.

But I do think there's no guarantee that because Jimmy is better than Seattle's current QBs that means Jimmy going to Seattle = worse for us.

It could certainly be the opposite in terms of their draft slot by the end of the year, maybe Jimmy is enough to beat the Rams once or twice that we need to make the playoffs.

But I don't have a crystal ball so I'm not saying I know it will be good for us. I'm just saying do we really know it would only be bad for the 49ers if they sign him? It's hard to tell imo.

Originally posted by boast:
because that comment wasnt well thought out or logical. it's an apples and oranges comparison. there's a huge difference between a division rival signing a back up TE or 3rd CB and signing a starting QB who's been in the system for five years. the QB brings far more knowledge of the scheme and philosophy behind it to the rival than a positional player.

and you dont see a starting caliber QB being made available to a division rival often at all.

The comment was mine. It was logical. And you had / have no counterpoint.

I agree a starting QB will bring more insight than a positional player. But that's not the argument. The argument is whether said information will provide a significant advantage (i.e. victories). History shows us such information will not provide a significant advantage. You have not been able to provide a clear connection between the type of information a starting QB may be able to provide, and victories. There are far more examples undermining your position, than supporting it. And there are far more variables at play than you can isolate (which undermines both your argument, and mine).

That being said, I see no point in releasing JG, at this point. Just hold on to him--and hope.

As an aside, I called the Watson outcome like seven to ten days ago. I said eight to twelve games, and a monetary penalty. Everyone saw this coming, given Robinson's rationale. I'm confident the Browns had a good idea what the outcome would be. And, unfortunately, I think this outcome lessens the likelihood the Browns make a trade / trade anything of significant value for JG. And though I am assuredly a JG hater, I think that sucks. I would love it if JG could generate significant compensation for the 49ers.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by TheRickestRick:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Is it possible for you to post in this thread without using the word feelings, triggered, haters, or anything of that nature? My god give it a rest.

Who cares if Seattle gets Jimmy? I find it hard to believe that even the biggest Jimmy fans would believe that Jimmy makes Seattle a threat.

of course this is the truth...... suddenly we are fearful of him going to seattle.. who gives a rats ass... people who say that must have zero faith in our defense... of all teams in the nfl.. we know exactly what he can not do.... i hope he goes to seattle and i hope our defense brutalizes him

Da fuq lol? Why give a division rival any sort of advantage? JG is better than anyone they currently have and may have incite on any tendencies of this offense or even Lance. It typically takes 17 games on film for the league to figure out a QB, why speed that up just for them.

I get it, we are a superior team why be afraid of anyone blah blah blah. It's competition and gamesmanship, we were one inch and one game from going from homefield advantage to a wildcard in 2019. We were a miraculous comeback and one game away from not even making the playoffs last year. Keep any advantage you can and deny other teams that benefit... its not f*ckin rocket science when it comes to competitive sports lol.

jimmy give seattle no advantage over us.... wilson did.. but not jimmy.. the advantage we had last year vs the rams.. packers and cowboys.. was not jimmy.. it was deebo

The advantage would come from cutting him now and giving him and Seattle more time to practice together. How can anyone be this dense?

i totally understand this.... i guess i just want him off the team asap to please myself.. selfish cc... i do not think anyone is dense. i just think.. it would just make us feel better... by saying that i just put the "I" ahead of the team! i can wait another two weeks

Originally posted by Butter:
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/08/18/the-tom-brady-training-camp-hiatus-gets-stranger-and-stranger/

Brady pulls a last min retirement, Jimmy to the Bucs. Boo-ya

Damn if thats the case that could be Christmas in August lol.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by cciowa:
we over valued jimmy... lynch thought the rest of the nfl was stupid... people saw his limitations.. and was not going to give up high picks for him... the shoulder surgery excuse is just that.. lynch over valued our guy..... and here we are.. its just that plain and simple. cut him and move on for gods sake. no one is trading for him.. no one

no one overvalued jimmy lol

lynch did.. he thought the rest of the nfl was dumb but people saw jimmy for what he is. defend lynch.. but you will never convince me otherwise

oh CC..so you can't explain how he overvalued jimmy ? ok

i think it was reported that lynch wanted a couple of high draft picks for jimmy... if true.. that is over valuing. protect him. thats fine

Originally posted by Butter:
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/08/18/the-tom-brady-training-camp-hiatus-gets-stranger-and-stranger/

Brady pulls a last min retirement, Jimmy to the Bucs. Boo-ya

https://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2022/08/blind-item-1_10.html?m=1

Originally posted by TheRickestRick:

Originally posted by Butter:
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/08/18/the-tom-brady-training-camp-hiatus-gets-stranger-and-stranger/

Brady pulls a last min retirement, Jimmy to the Bucs. Boo-ya

Damn if thats the case that could be Christmas in August lol.

You don't just walk in and take Blaine Gabbert's job

Originally posted by TheRickestRick:

Originally posted by Butter:
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/08/18/the-tom-brady-training-camp-hiatus-gets-stranger-and-stranger/

Brady pulls a last min retirement, Jimmy to the Bucs. Boo-ya

Damn if thats the case that could be Christmas in August lol.

That guy just wants nothing to do with the damn TC practices in the FL humidity.

Is it just a coincidence that Brady pulled this disappearing act following all the injuries to his Oline?

And I just heard that Wirfs left today's practice with some sort of core injury.