Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by JMC52:

I've finally come to terms Jimmy will be cut and no value back, I was wrong I really though we could atleast get a 3rd after playoffs

Playoffs is most likely the reason no one wants him.

Eh, if he didn't have the shoulder surgery there would probably have been at least a 4th round pick for him. But his injury rehab time just made it pointless for a team to trade anything for him when he's sure to be released in a couple weeks anyway.

Sometimes you win, sometimes you don't. It did Garoppolo no favors to have no team to truly be tied to until 10 days before the season, either.

Only way we lose is if we keep him. I see cutting him for salary cap room as a win as well.

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:
Only way we lose is if we keep him. I see cutting him for salary cap room as a win as well.

Not a win, but not an L either. Keeping him (at his full contract) would be taking an L.

Originally posted by glorydayz:
I wasn't talking about a starter, we already know we aren't getting that for JG.

I'm talking about a player for depth while also getting rid of JG. I think it's that or nothing for JG.

I also think our F/O is getting back at JG for the surgery BS that he pulled, look at how quickly they released Keesaun Johnson & Dennard so that they could be picked up by other teams. Jimmy is getting a level of treatment that I don't believe I've ever seen from a NFL franchise. He is literally working out on another field while the team is getting ready for the season and everyone knows he won't be on the roster. He pissed someone off big time!

I thought the reasoning for holding on to him was there's a high possibility he signs in Seattle and FO doesn't want to give them time to gel.

Originally posted by ato314:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

I wasn't talking about a starter, we already know we aren't getting that for JG.

I'm talking about a player for depth while also getting rid of JG. I think it's that or nothing for JG.

I also think our F/O is getting back at JG for the surgery BS that he pulled, look at how quickly they released Keesaun Johnson & Dennard so that they could be picked up by other teams. Jimmy is getting a level of treatment that I don't believe I've ever seen from a NFL franchise. He is literally working out on another field while the team is getting ready for the season and everyone knows he won't be on the roster. He pissed someone off big time!

I thought the reasoning for holding on to him was there's a high possibility he signs in Seattle and FO doesn't want to give them time to gel.

Thats correct for any team not just Seattle. No matter where he goes we dont want him to have time to gel.

Originally posted by ato314:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
I wasn't talking about a starter, we already know we aren't getting that for JG.

I'm talking about a player for depth while also getting rid of JG. I think it's that or nothing for JG.

I also think our F/O is getting back at JG for the surgery BS that he pulled, look at how quickly they released Keesaun Johnson & Dennard so that they could be picked up by other teams. Jimmy is getting a level of treatment that I don't believe I've ever seen from a NFL franchise. He is literally working out on another field while the team is getting ready for the season and everyone knows he won't be on the roster. He pissed someone off big time!

I thought the reasoning for holding on to him was there's a high possibility he signs in Seattle and FO doesn't want to give them time to gel.

it's part of it. the other is to see if any injuries to QBs happen during camp/preseason. Kyle and John have said they spoke to Jimmy about their plan and that he understands. this theory that the team is being purposely vindictive isn't necessarily the case. no doubt they were disappointed but they're not holding him for revenge.

Johnson and Dennard were cut because the team had to get to a certain roster number.

Originally posted by glorydayz:
The current F/O had nothing to do with the Montana/Steve Young situation. Eddie D was the owner and Carmen Policy along with Bill Walsh were calling the shots re the roster.

George Seifert and Carmen Policy were calling the shots. Seifert didn't want Montana around the team because of the distraction. That's the point. The current front office, who had nothing to do with the Montana/Young situation, also doesn't want a distraction. So this is a similar example of awkward, maybe you'd say shabby, treatment of a star QB who meant a hell of a lot more to the franchise than Garoppolo.

Originally posted by glorydayz:
I wasn't talking about a starter, we already know we aren't getting that for JG.

I'm talking about a player for depth while also getting rid of JG. I think it's that or nothing for JG.

I also think our F/O is getting back at JG for the surgery BS that he pulled, look at how quickly they released Keesaun Johnson & Dennard so that they could be picked up by other teams. Jimmy is getting a level of treatment that I don't believe I've ever seen from a NFL franchise. He is literally working out on another field while the team is getting ready for the season and everyone knows he won't be on the roster. He pissed someone off big time!

Well, what you think is certainly possible, but let's review what actually happened, time wise. Ok, Jimmy has shoulder problem and is told to rehab it. He does. That is what you do with shoulder injuries where just resting it / plus rehabbing it might work. Time goes by. Now it is just a month til draft and it is obvious that PT won't work and surgery is necessary. Jimmy decides immediately for surgery, knowing that he is looking at 3-4 months post op before he can throw again. This was not Jimmy trying to screw us over but a case of following good medical/ orthopedic advice. The rest we know.

In retrospectoscope, it would have been a whole lot better to do shoulder surgery immediately and not give PT/rest a chance. Didn't work, but had it, JG would have been ready now and even sooner and been working out at different clubs who were interested. This ultimately hurt Jimmy just as much as us. And no, i don't believe there was any animus by him towards us nor vice versa. This was just bad joss, bad timing on a shoulder surgery, and frankly, doing surgery at the gitgo…would have been bad practice of medicine. Doctors always seem to be ready to do surgery, but no doc worth his salt wants to do a surgery when rehab/rest might just cure it.

From my standpoint…no harm, no foul. It worked out poorly for both sides, and there was no fault here on either 9ers or JG. Timing? Was the schidts…for both of us.

Lastly, i truly do not believe JL nor KS would operate that way. Both are stand up guys, and this is way below them. Same goes for Jimmy, too.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Well, what you think is certainly possible, but let's review what actually happened, time wise. Ok, Jimmy has shoulder problem and is told to rehab it. He does. That is what you do with shoulder injuries where just resting it / plus rehabbing it might work. Time goes by. Now it is just a month til draft and it is obvious that PT won't work and surgery is necessary. Jimmy decides immediately for surgery, knowing that he is looking at 3-4 months post op before he can throw again. This was not Jimmy trying to screw us over but a case of following good medical/ orthopedic advice. The rest we know.

In retrospectoscope, it would have been a whole lot better to do shoulder surgery immediately and not give PT/rest a chance. Didn't work, but had it, JG would have been ready now and even sooner and been working out at different clubs who were interested. This ultimately hurt Jimmy just as much as us. And no, i don't believe there was any animus by him towards us nor vice versa. This was just bad joss, bad timing on a shoulder surgery, and frankly, doing surgery at the gitgo…would have been bad practice of medicine. Doctors always seem to be ready to do surgery, but no doc worth his salt wants to do a surgery when rehab/rest might just cure it.

From my standpoint…no harm, no foul. It worked out poorly for both sides, and there was no fault here on either 9ers or JG. Timing? Was the schidts…for both of us.

Lastly, i truly do not believe JL nor KS would operate that way. Both are stand up guys, and this is way below them. Same goes for Jimmy, too.

Well said.

IMO it also hurts less that this happened because 1. Trey Lance was in the building already, so it's not like they were trying to obtain a QB while this was going on, and 2. getting Jimmy G for a 2nd round pick in 2017 was buying low for him at the time, so they won the acquisition to get him five years earlier.

You win some, you lose some.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Well, what you think is certainly possible, but let's review what actually happened, time wise. Ok, Jimmy has shoulder problem and is told to rehab it. He does. That is what you do with shoulder injuries where just resting it / plus rehabbing it might work. Time goes by. Now it is just a month til draft and it is obvious that PT won't work and surgery is necessary. Jimmy decides immediately for surgery, knowing that he is looking at 3-4 months post op before he can throw again. This was not Jimmy trying to screw us over but a case of following good medical/ orthopedic advice. The rest we know.

In retrospectoscope, it would have been a whole lot better to do shoulder surgery immediately and not give PT/rest a chance. Didn't work, but had it, JG would have been ready now and even sooner and been working out at different clubs who were interested. This ultimately hurt Jimmy just as much as us. And no, i don't believe there was any animus by him towards us nor vice versa. This was just bad joss, bad timing on a shoulder surgery, and frankly, doing surgery at the gitgo…would have been bad practice of medicine. Doctors always seem to be ready to do surgery, but no doc worth his salt wants to do a surgery when rehab/rest might just cure it.

From my standpoint…no harm, no foul. It worked out poorly for both sides, and there was no fault here on either 9ers or JG. Timing? Was the schidts…for both of us.

Lastly, i truly do not believe JL nor KS would operate that way. Both are stand up guys, and this is way below them. Same goes for Jimmy, too.

Of course Shannalynch wouldn't operate that way, and suggesting they would is silly. That would make it not only harder to sign future FAs, but send the absolute wrong message to the guys in the locker room.

Actually like that Jed came out and said he's happy to keep Jimmy this year if that's the direction JL and KS decide. Need to keep teams on their toes that this is an actual possibility and he's not definitely going to be cut.

Originally posted by 9NERNATE:
Actually like that Jed came out and said he's happy to keep Jimmy this year if that's the direction JL and KS decide. Need to keep teams on their toes that this is an actual possibility and he's not definitely going to be cut.

Dude...he said THE SAME THING on March 29. If it didn't "keep teams on their toes" nearly five months ago, it's not keeping them on their toes now.

Originally posted by 9NERNATE:
Actually like that Jed came out and said he's happy to keep Jimmy this year if that's the direction JL and KS decide. Need to keep teams on their toes that this is an actual possibility and he's not definitely going to be cut.

speaking of the worst thing that could happen to this team in my opinion

Originally posted by 9NERNATE:
Actually like that Jed came out and said he's happy to keep Jimmy this year if that's the direction JL and KS decide. Need to keep teams on their toes that this is an actual possibility and he's not definitely going to be cut.

What would the opposite of that be? That if Kyle and Lynch wanted to keep Jimmy for another year, he'd say no? The crux of his statement is that he'll leave the football decisions to the football guys.

Jimmy ain't practicing or in meetings. Keeping him on the 53 would be ridiculous.

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by 9NERNATE:
Actually like that Jed came out and said he's happy to keep Jimmy this year if that's the direction JL and KS decide. Need to keep teams on their toes that this is an actual possibility and he's not definitely going to be cut.

speaking of the worst thing that could happen to this team in my opinion

I'm pretty sure he's just playing the game. If Jed were to come out and say " We're looking to trade Jimmy, but if we can't we will cut him on August 30th," then the team would lose any trade leverage that may be out there. He trying to keep interest high until that "break glass in case of emergency" moment in which they have no other choice but to say goodbye.