Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by thl408:
I think a fun question to answer is how much will Jimmy's new team pay him in 2022? No team is paying him $25.

Sort by 2022 Cash Earnings.
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/salaries/breakdown/quarterback/

Seeing some Bridgewater-to-Trubisky range money in Jimmy's immediate future.

I never saw any team giving up a 2nd to pay Jimmy 24-25m. I don't believe the injury affected that reality. Tell me what possible scenario he plays better in? So your getting a guy who can't throw deep, can't run or avoid sacks, throws picks, and disappears and ghosts you in the off-season. Coming from a team with a top 5 defense. top 5 supporting cast, top play caller, top running game.

Jimmy is something different. He's a 10-15mil QB. There's no such thing. They get 40+ now or they're a backup. I'd be shocked if he gets 15 million from anyone.

We saw the best Jimmy will ever be. I don't care if he's on seattle. In fact I hope he goes to seattle.

Originally posted by davidboutte:
I never saw any team giving up a 2nd to pay Jimmy 24-25m. I don't believe the injury affected that reality. Tell me what possible scenario he plays better in? So your getting a guy who can't throw deep, can't run or avoid sacks, throws picks, and disappears and ghosts you in the off-season. Coming from a team with a top 5 defense. top 5 supporting cast, top play caller, top running game.

Jimmy is something different. He's a 10-15mil QB. There's no such thing. They get 40+ now or they're a backup. I'd be shocked if he gets 15 million from anyone.

We saw the best Jimmy will ever be. I don't care if he's on seattle. In fact I hope he goes to seattle.

If I was another team, if Jimmy was healthy and I had the cap room, I'd trade a 3rd for him. However, I really don't look at him as a long-term answer. I see him as a bridge QB or a guy that will get your team over the hump. Vic Fangio probably would've had his job saved if he had a Jimmy Garoppolo with the Broncos.

But anyhoo... Unfortunately, I think wherever Jimmy goes, even if he's successful he's going to suffer the same fate he had here... where the team/fans liked him, but chose to upgrade.

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
Lol gotcha. You said there was no market for Jimmy and that his injury played no role. Them why would there be a market now? I'm all ears. Because there's always been a market, with his injury, it wasn't favorable. Pretty simple really

I do not believe I have ever stated, absolutely, there is / was no market for JG (how would I know?). Instead, I have stated, consistently so, no teams trading for JG leads to the logical conclusion the whole of JG (both positive and negative) are not worth whatever the 49ers want(ed) in a trade. In other words, any such assertion is based on the fact JG has not been traded. If I have a product, and it does not sell, said product, by definition, has no market (read demand) @ the listed price.

Nor do I believe I have stated his injury played absolutely no role. I have long acknowledged his injury may have played a role, though if he was a better QB, his injury would have been less impactful, as we see this offseason with injured QBs being traded, in addition to prior seasons.

If I have said either of the above, in absolute terms, I have no issue walking that back.

Further, JG being released and subsequently signed shows the opposite of what you are claiming. Such a scenario shows there is no desire to trade for JG. Claiming a released player has a market because he is signed after being released is like saying there is a market for rotten food, merely because a homeless person might choose to eat out of a dumpster when he is starving.

You cannot say, with any degree of certainty, there has always been a market for JG, when a trade never transpired. I can talk about the lack of demand because reality backs up my position. I'm not speculating about JG's situation. He is, currently, a member of the 49ers. He is also likely to be released on either 8/30 or 9/10. Your position there has always been a market can only mean one thing: the 49ers overvalued JG and turned away trade offers. Where is the proof?

You're saying his injury made his market less favorable. I agree. But injured players get traded all the time. So, I am not sure what your point is. Show me evidence, in this moment, the market you claim for JG, exists? Show me, since Feb., evidence, of a market for JG. The only evidence of such a market would be a trade. Everything else is speculation. That's all it is. Speculation.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by BangBang49er:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

John Lynch had a long answer when Tom Tolbert asked him on KNBR what the timeline looks like for when the 49ers would release Jimmy Garoppolo if there's no trade. However, his first words were, "Yeah, you know I think we're getting pretty close."

— Matt Barrows (@mattbarrows) August 23, 2022

San Francisco continues to give the impression that the team could hold onto Garoppolo in 2022, as unlikely as that seems.

"I think any scenario is possible," head coach Kyle Shanahan said regarding the topic on Tuesday.

Later in the article

"If he leaves, we'll always be grateful for what he brought here. And if he's a part of us, we'll forge ahead, knowing we've got a really good player."

Lynch

Probably going to keep him

They're not keeping him. You're not planning on keeping a guy if you won't even give him a copy of the playbook or let him sit in meetings.

Exactly! If he was going to stay you want him prepared to be the backup. Hard to be a backup with no playbook or team reps of any kind.

It's just the 49ers dumb luck this is the year no team is dumb enough to overpay for an average talent QB. Jay Cutler kept getting extended despite being sh+t on a stick year after year, Sam Bradford trade, Kirk Cousin's being way over valued, Jake Delhomme got an extension (on top of an extension they had just done recently) during the off season after throwing 4 interceptions in the SB.

It has been pointed out JG's agent has had free reign to put a deal together for JG and has been unable to find a trade partner. Lynch is basically saying I've tried everything I knew to do and no one is interested in JG.

He gone soon one way or another.

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
He said the injury was an excuse and he doesn't buy it. By saying the injury was an excuse he's saying absolutely nobody was interested in Jimmy and the injury "excuse" was "hypothetical".... ... . So if nobody was interested then, why would they suddenly be interested now? It makes no sense at all. That's the extremely easy and basic point I was making with the bet knowing he just was making stuff up and he knows it. Truly spitting a hypothetical with zero proof at all.

If he's a starting quality QB are you also saying teams didn't have interest? Teams were looking into Jimmy, his injury put a hold on that. Come time Jimmy was healthy his one year contract and injury was a terrible contract for 25 million. It'd be stupid to trade for him at that point, especially when teams were already set.

Do you mean I said I do not buy the injury as an excuse as to why JG was not traded? Show me where I said that, specifically. I have said I do not buy the injury being the sole reason teams did not trade for him.

Like you, I have no idea if anyone was interested (or not interested, though the latter can easily be inferred). By no one trading for JG, that puts the burden of proof on you to show evidence of this market you claim exists. Reality shows, the whole of JG is not worth the cost (w/e that is / may be, in order for the 49ers to execute a trade). If his situation was worth the cost, he would have been traded.

The proof is reflected in reality. I know that's hard for some of you to understand, and or accept.

There is no extremely basic or easy point, because you are not making one. Other than the point JG's injury may have (likely did) put a damper on his trade value. But since I do not deny that....

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Honestly, it might be better to keep Jimmy on the payroll and let him party in San Fernando for the year while Seattle throws out Geno Smith on the field and sucks, than to let Jimmy go to Seattle and be productive there.

I don't understand this fear of Jimmy going to Seattle and being productive. Do you really think he's going to be as good as Wilson? They didn't make the playoffs with him last year and now the team has lost even more talent. They have a bad O line and their D was ranked near the bottom last year. They have one really good receiver and another one that's a deep threat but we know that's not Jimmy's strength. They also don't have as good a running game as the 49ers.

He's good enough to maybe win a couple more games but that does nothing for Seattle except lower their chances of getting the top QB in the draft. The 49ers have no reason to fear facing Jimmy. He's not evasive and he would be facing one of the top pass rushes in the league. He isn't a big difference maker like one of the top 10 QBs Fans often have this thing about former players giving info to other teams but that rarely happens. Teams already know everything they need to know with all the film that's out there. I can't recall one instance where a former player was able to give another team inside info that allowed them to beat the Niners. What could he possibly tell them?

I for one would love to see JG as the starting QB in Seattle so he could showcase that winning percentage many love to point out. Including Brett Farve now it seems, whom I previously respected his opinion as a pro QB and now think too many shots to the head may be clouding his judgement 😆 Let's see JG do what RW did all those years. RW was responsible for like 85% of their wins the past 7-8 years.

I think the only concern anyone could logically have would be from inside knowledge of the playbook (whether it is accurate or not) because it certainly could not be from Jimmy's abilities to carry a team offensively.

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Originally posted by NC49er:
I for one would love to see JG as the starting QB in Seattle so he could showcase that winning percentage many love to point out. Including Brett Farve now it seems, whom I previously respected his opinion as a pro QB and now think too many shots to the head may be clouding his judgement 😆 Let's see JG do what RW did all those years. RW was responsible for like 85% of their wins the past 7-8 years.

I think the only concern anyone could logically have would be from inside knowledge of the playbook (whether it is accurate or not) because it certainly could not be from Jimmy's abilities to carry a team offensively.

The inside knowledge is a fantasy. What inside knowledge could he give them? Kittle's favorite food? These teams have seen each other several times over the years. They know what each teams tendencies are. They know the personnel. There isn't anything that another player can tell a new team that they don't already know. That's why good teams have to disguise what they are doing on offense and defense.

We've brought several players in from other teams. I don't recall hearing that any of them helped the 49ers beat that team because of knowledge. You win by playing better, plain and simple. The inside knowledge thing might have been an issue back in the days before they had such good scouting and there weren't free agents moving all over the league. Not an issue in today's league.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by NC49er:
I for one would love to see JG as the starting QB in Seattle so he could showcase that winning percentage many love to point out. Including Brett Farve now it seems, whom I previously respected his opinion as a pro QB and now think too many shots to the head may be clouding his judgement 😆 Let's see JG do what RW did all those years. RW was responsible for like 85% of their wins the past 7-8 years.

I think the only concern anyone could logically have would be from inside knowledge of the playbook (whether it is accurate or not) because it certainly could not be from Jimmy's abilities to carry a team offensively.

The inside knowledge is a fantasy. What inside knowledge could he give them? Kittle's favorite food? These teams have seen each other several times over the years. They know what each teams tendencies are. They know the personnel. There isn't anything that another player can tell a new team that they don't already know. That's why good teams have to disguise what they are doing on offense and defense.

We've brought several players in from other teams. I don't recall hearing that any of them helped the 49ers beat that team because of knowledge. You win by playing better, plain and simple. The inside knowledge thing might have been an issue back in the days before they had such good scouting and there weren't free agents moving all over the league. Not an issue in today's league.

There are a lot of things that QB can reveal.. just cause you don't hear about it doesn't mean it doesn't happen

Poor Jimmy. Nobody wanted him at that salary. No interest from any team. Not even a 6th round pick. The GM and York continue to spit nonsense to try and mitigate the shame that comes from this awkward situation. Cut now and close the book on Jimmy. Look forward because we have work to do to strengthen the team on the field. Release him and at least give him a chance to catch on with another team. Hopefully the Seahawks grab him. Jimmy is one one thing that will reverse our streak against the hawks. Please, please sign him.

JIMMY G BREAKING NEWS!

there's none

Originally posted by Polkadots:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
He said the injury was an excuse and he doesn't buy it. By saying the injury was an excuse he's saying absolutely nobody was interested in Jimmy and the injury "excuse" was "hypothetical".... ... . So if nobody was interested then, why would they suddenly be interested now? It makes no sense at all. That's the extremely easy and basic point I was making with the bet knowing he just was making stuff up and he knows it. Truly spitting a hypothetical with zero proof at all.

If he's a starting quality QB are you also saying teams didn't have interest? Teams were looking into Jimmy, his injury put a hold on that. Come time Jimmy was healthy his one year contract and injury was a terrible contract for 25 million. It'd be stupid to trade for him at that point, especially when teams were already set.

Do you mean I said I do not buy the injury as an excuse as to why JG was not traded? Show me where I said that, specifically. I have said I do not buy the injury being the sole reason teams did not trade for him.

Like you, I have no idea if anyone was interested (or not interested, though the latter can easily be inferred). By no one trading for JG, that puts the burden of proof on you to show evidence of this market you claim exists. Reality shows, the whole of JG is not worth the cost (w/e that is / may be, in order for the 49ers to execute a trade). If his situation was worth the cost, he would have been traded.

The proof is reflected in reality. I know that's hard for some of you to understand, and or accept.

There is no extremely basic or easy point, because you are not making one. Other than the point JG's injury may have (likely did) put a damper on his trade value. But since I do not deny that....

Polk always making people look foolish.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
There are a lot of things that QB can reveal.. just cause you don't hear about it doesn't mean it doesn't happen

Like what? Teams prepare for their opponent every week based on the film they have on hand. You can't tell me that the Seahawks don't know Kyle's tendencies by now. Nothing Jimmy could tell them is going to make a difference. The actual game plan changes a little every week so Jimmy wouldn't know what that is. They can easily change up signals so that wouldn't be an issue.

If there was a case of any QB actually having some knowledge that influenced the game it would be a big story. I've never seen one. Look back when Montana went to the Chiefs and they faced the Niners. The Chiefs won but not because Joe divulged any secrets. Their defense just beat the hell out of Young.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Like what? Teams prepare for their opponent every week based on the film they have on hand. You can't tell me that the Seahawks don't know Kyle's tendencies by now. Nothing Jimmy could tell them is going to make a difference. The actual game plan changes a little every week so Jimmy wouldn't know what that is. They can easily change up signals so that wouldn't be an issue.

If there was a case of any QB actually having some knowledge that influenced the game it would be a big story. I've never seen one. Look back when Montana went to the Chiefs and they faced the Niners. The Chiefs won but not because Joe divulged any secrets. Their defense just beat the hell out of Young.

this whole idea and notion.. of players revealing secrets is silly and stupid in my opinion. no matter the qb,, how will that help seattle try to account for deebo.