Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
It's a testament to the strength of the rest of the roster that they were able to overcome Jimmy's limitations at QB, but no one is claiming that Jimmy didn't contribute to the success of the team in some ways. When healthy, most would agree he's a top 20 QB.

Most people would agree that the Lance deal would not have been made if JG would have remained healthy 90% of the time.

I agree 90%!

Copium.

Originally posted by davidboutte:
Oft injured immobile guy with limited deep ability is a fact. But being a winner is a fact too. They simply decided to win a Super Bowl they needed to upgrade

Personally a talent like Trey Lance or Steve Young are generational talent - from just from an athlete and physical gifts point of view. In other words, a guy that can throw like Drew Brees and Run like Lamar Jackson isn't something that comes around every draft. Just from that perspective, Trey is already a number one pick, add in all the intangibles that he brings and he has the potential to be wearing a gold jacket if things fall into place for him long term.

I think once Kyle said he wanted a more durable QB, and he decided to get a new QB, he just went all in. Just like McVay went all in on an aging but still potent Arm of Stafford. IN fact, I think Kyle took the bigger risk (versus McVay) because it was *THREE* first round picks on a very young guy that had only thrown for one year (vs 3+ years for most QB's drafted historically in the first round).

I need some goddamn Garoppolo release news.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by davidboutte:
Oft injured immobile guy with limited deep ability is a fact. But being a winner is a fact too. They simply decided to win a Super Bowl they needed to upgrade

Personally a talent like Trey Lance or Steve Young are generational talent - from just from an athlete and physical gifts point of view. In other words, a guy that can throw like Drew Brees and Run like Lamar Jackson isn't something that comes around every draft. Just from that perspective, Trey is already a number one pick, add in all the intangibles that he brings and he has the potential to be wearing a gold jacket if things fall into place for him long term.

I think once Kyle said he wanted a more durable QB, and he decided to get a new QB, he just went all in. Just like McVay went all in on an aging but still potent Arm of Stafford. IN fact, I think Kyle took the bigger risk (versus McVay) because it was *THREE* first round picks on a very young guy that had only thrown for one year (vs 3+ years for most QB's drafted historically in the first round).

Giedi, it was only 2 first round picks, we swapped first round picks. I don't know why people don't see that.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by davidboutte:
Oft injured immobile guy with limited deep ability is a fact. But being a winner is a fact too. They simply decided to win a Super Bowl they needed to upgrade

Personally a talent like Trey Lance or Steve Young are generational talent - from just from an athlete and physical gifts point of view. In other words, a guy that can throw like Drew Brees and Run like Lamar Jackson isn't something that comes around every draft. Just from that perspective, Trey is already a number one pick, add in all the intangibles that he brings and he has the potential to be wearing a gold jacket if things fall into place for him long term.

I think once Kyle said he wanted a more durable QB, and he decided to get a new QB, he just went all in. Just like McVay went all in on an aging but still potent Arm of Stafford. IN fact, I think Kyle took the bigger risk (versus McVay) because it was *THREE* first round picks on a very young guy that had only thrown for one year (vs 3+ years for most QB's drafted historically in the first round).

Giedi, it was only 2 first round picks, we swapped first round picks. I don't know why people don't see that.

The trade cost 2 first round picks. Taking Lance cost 3, so Giedi is correct.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by davidboutte:
Oft injured immobile guy with limited deep ability is a fact. But being a winner is a fact too. They simply decided to win a Super Bowl they needed to upgrade

Personally a talent like Trey Lance or Steve Young are generational talent - from just from an athlete and physical gifts point of view. In other words, a guy that can throw like Drew Brees and Run like Lamar Jackson isn't something that comes around every draft. Just from that perspective, Trey is already a number one pick, add in all the intangibles that he brings and he has the potential to be wearing a gold jacket if things fall into place for him long term.

I think once Kyle said he wanted a more durable QB, and he decided to get a new QB, he just went all in. Just like McVay went all in on an aging but still potent Arm of Stafford. IN fact, I think Kyle took the bigger risk (versus McVay) because it was *THREE* first round picks on a very young guy that had only thrown for one year (vs 3+ years for most QB's drafted historically in the first round).

Giedi, it was only 2 first round picks, we swapped first round picks. I don't know why people don't see that.

The trade cost 2 first round picks. Taking Lance cost 3, so Giedi is correct.

if we gave up 3 firsts, we don't have a first rounder to use on trey

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by davidboutte:
Oft injured immobile guy with limited deep ability is a fact. But being a winner is a fact too. They simply decided to win a Super Bowl they needed to upgrade

Personally a talent like Trey Lance or Steve Young are generational talent - from just from an athlete and physical gifts point of view. In other words, a guy that can throw like Drew Brees and Run like Lamar Jackson isn't something that comes around every draft. Just from that perspective, Trey is already a number one pick, add in all the intangibles that he brings and he has the potential to be wearing a gold jacket if things fall into place for him long term.

I think once Kyle said he wanted a more durable QB, and he decided to get a new QB, he just went all in. Just like McVay went all in on an aging but still potent Arm of Stafford. IN fact, I think Kyle took the bigger risk (versus McVay) because it was *THREE* first round picks on a very young guy that had only thrown for one year (vs 3+ years for most QB's drafted historically in the first round).

Giedi, it was only 2 first round picks, we swapped first round picks. I don't know why people don't see that.

The trade cost 2 first round picks. Taking Lance cost 3, so Giedi is correct.

if we gave up 3 firsts, we don't have a first rounder to use on trey

Yeah, we swapped first rounders. That was the supposed third first.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by NC49er:
I for one would love to see JG as the starting QB in Seattle so he could showcase that winning percentage many love to point out. Including Brett Farve now it seems, whom I previously respected his opinion as a pro QB and now think too many shots to the head may be clouding his judgement 😆 Let's see JG do what RW did all those years. RW was responsible for like 85% of their wins the past 7-8 years.

I think the only concern anyone could logically have would be from inside knowledge of the playbook (whether it is accurate or not) because it certainly could not be from Jimmy's abilities to carry a team offensively.

The inside knowledge is a fantasy. What inside knowledge could he give them? Kittle's favorite food? These teams have seen each other several times over the years. They know what each teams tendencies are. They know the personnel. There isn't anything that another player can tell a new team that they don't already know. That's why good teams have to disguise what they are doing on offense and defense.

We've brought several players in from other teams. I don't recall hearing that any of them helped the 49ers beat that team because of knowledge. You win by playing better, plain and simple. The inside knowledge thing might have been an issue back in the days before they had such good scouting and there weren't free agents moving all over the league. Not an issue in today's league.

There are a lot of things that QB can reveal.. just cause you don't hear about it doesn't mean it doesn't happen

There are many things that happen in the league that does not get reported on. The league is so competitive of course you try and gain any advantage you can whether that is from film,ex coaches or player's.

JG may not be able to provide any new info that would help a team and maybe he could but regardless of how well the relationship ended you can guarantee when a player plays against their ex team that sent them packing they are going to try to help the new team that's paying them to beat the team that kicked them to the curb.

I would also say that after a season any advantage, if any, was given that in year 2+ would be all but zero as terminology could change, plays change etc.

In the same token coaches could flip signals and use the ex players knowledge to sabotage the info the ex player gives to their new team, so it could work both ways.

Either way I am not worried about JG beating the 49ers, I'm just pointing out that is the only logical reason I could see anyone having to sending JG to Seattle or the Rams or Cards because he's not an offensive juggernaut at QB.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by davidboutte:
Oft injured immobile guy with limited deep ability is a fact. But being a winner is a fact too. They simply decided to win a Super Bowl they needed to upgrade

Personally a talent like Trey Lance or Steve Young are generational talent - from just from an athlete and physical gifts point of view. In other words, a guy that can throw like Drew Brees and Run like Lamar Jackson isn't something that comes around every draft. Just from that perspective, Trey is already a number one pick, add in all the intangibles that he brings and he has the potential to be wearing a gold jacket if things fall into place for him long term.

I think once Kyle said he wanted a more durable QB, and he decided to get a new QB, he just went all in. Just like McVay went all in on an aging but still potent Arm of Stafford. IN fact, I think Kyle took the bigger risk (versus McVay) because it was *THREE* first round picks on a very young guy that had only thrown for one year (vs 3+ years for most QB's drafted historically in the first round).

Giedi, it was only 2 first round picks, we swapped first round picks. I don't know why people don't see that.

The trade cost 2 first round picks. Taking Lance cost 3, so Giedi is correct.

We gave up 2 firsts and swapped first rounders. We gave up #12, but got #5. Don't you see it?

Originally posted by mayo49:
We gave up 2 firsts and swapped first rounders. We gave up #12, but got #5. Don't you see it?

Drop it Mayo. Seriously. We traded 2 first round picks. We spent 3 first round picks to get Trey. Period, end of conversation.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by mayo49:
We gave up 2 firsts and swapped first rounders. We gave up #12, but got #5. Don't you see it?

Drop it Mayo. Seriously. We traded 2 first round picks. We spent 3 first round picks to get Trey. Period, end of conversation.

Ok, let me put it this way. We spent three round picks, but only gave up two.

This convo of how many firsts did it take to get TL deserves it's own thread I'm sure we will all benefit and leave smarter than we started

Nope, I've changed my mind. I'm not going to get involved in another discussion about the semantics over how much we gave up for Lance.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by mayo49:
We gave up 2 firsts and swapped first rounders. We gave up #12, but got #5. Don't you see it?

Drop it Mayo. Seriously. We traded 2 first round picks. We spent 3 first round picks to get Trey. Period, end of conversation.

No, you drop it, Steve. What you trying to censor topics?