Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
And you base that on what?

Edit- let me remind you that Trey PROVED last year he was a "more realistic option" than CJ Beathard was in 2017, but it took FIVE games for Shanahan to bench Hoyer—one more than the four first claimed in the comment I responded to, and three less than the 3-5 start Jimmy had.

Obviously, I base that on Kyle's judgement. What else? He's the one who decided trey wasn't ready for prime time, and went with Jimmy. Trey was 21. Come on.

Kyle said they were one game away from putting in Trey (and I believe he said they may have done it earlier if Trey hadn't got hurt).

kyle didnt put trey in the playoffs where jimmy played like ass with his bun right arm. That speaks for itself. Trey was 2 years away

Oh goodness you really believe that? If we can turn back the clock, Jimmy staved off elimination week 18 with 1:30 left against the Rams. He battled against the Cowboys and put us in a position to win that game. Wasn't pretty but he did enough. Then, injured, he goes to Lambeau and played bad, however he led the 1 drive Rodgers couldn't. Why in the world would Kyle turn to Lance during that run? That would have crushed guys like Kittle, Deebo, Trent, Warner, and the other vets.

You have to think of the entire team holistically. If we turn to Lance after that week 18 performance, the team may not have liked that decision. The rhythm and timing would have been off. If we turn to Lance after the first playoff win in Dallas, the TEAM definitely would not have been on board with that. If we turn to Lance after the GB win, well you see what im getting at. There was way more nuance into the decision to keep Jimmy in that "Just play a healthy Lance." The team was riding and dying with Jimmy no matter what.

Hey don't argue with me. Talk to 5gr. I know jimmy gave us our best shot at the brass ring.

Jimmy was about to get benched mid-season. He saved his job in the Rams game.

He had a bad game against the Titans. Trey had a good game against the Texans. But then you had the Rams coming up, in a game that was win or go home. A team with a great pass rush and great coaching staff. Do you put the untested but talented rookie in, who looked pretty good the week before? Or do you put the guy in with the exact traits that counter the Rams' pass rush? Well, that depends on the cost-benefit. If you put in the veteran and he wins and looks good, you're a genius. If he looks bad and/or loses, then it's HIS fault. He just wasn't good enough. Conversely, if you put in the rookie and he wins and looks good, you're a genius. If, however, you put in the rookie and he looks bad and/or he loses, then it's YOUR fault.

This is what it came down to.

190 days until the next nfl year begins and Jimmy is a free agent

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Originally posted by BangBang49er:
When you have to wake up a 3 am to countdown Jimmy every single morning, that's obsessive lightweight trolling not being practical. Plain and simple. I don't think there's anything wrong with disliking Jimmy but when you to go to such lengths that many of you went to then claim your opinion is not obviously biased there's more to the story.

Part of me wants to bring constant negativity and stupid arguments to the Trey thread like you guys did here strictly just to show how annoying being negative about everything, every... single...day was/is. I won't do that because it's annoying as hell and at the end of the day it's not Treys or others posters fault theres a faction of the fans that go to any length to just be negative every....single...day...and make threads toxic. Calling people Jimmy Stans and Jimmy Cult for supporting the starting QB for example. It far more than simply disliking Jimmy.

You guys were negative after wins, after playoff wins, after everything. Again, not liking Jimmy is fine but the constant negativity and pushing of stupid conspiracies like Lynch was lying when talking about Jimmy is overboard. It really ruins a thread.

FTFY

Anyway, when you wake up and people say Jimmy is better than Aaron Rodgers and Matthew Stafford, it insults your species and drives you to roid rage. Then, when you see them refuse to acknowledge that he has some flaws, and then spout falsehoods in defense of that, it exacerbates the annoyance.

So, when Trey Lance struggles, all of US will willingly admit that he made certain mistakes, was inaccurate here, was slow to react there. The difference between Jimmy Stans and us is we will say that Trey is in his first year started and deserves some grace. Very few if any of us will DENY the errors he makes. That's the difference.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Just wanted to put my final thoughts about Jimmy coming back before the season starts.

From my understanding the conversation this offseason was about, 1. Trading Jimmy G 2. Letting Jimmy come back at his 27m cap hit. 3. Cutting him outright. I don't remember many people, if any, assuming Jimmy would take a deal less than the 7m it would have costed us to cut him early. I remember someone specifically being called out for suggesting that option, as it was perceived to be an inditement on Jimmy the player because many assumed he would receive more money on his new team, but in the end a pay cut and remaining with his former/current team was the best option for everyone. If I'm wrong that no one predicted it, that's my mistake, I just don't remember seeing it. And for anyone who did predict that, I tip my hat to you.

Before the offseason I predicted that Jimmy would be one of the least valued QBs on the market, even though I considered him the best QB on the market. My reasoning was mainly due to his contract, the fact that a team would have to trade for him(as opposed to a FA), his injury history, timing in the offseason, system fits, and lastly, quality of play. I don't assume that Jimmy's injury didn't affect his ability to be traded, I just know that as of right now, we have no concrete evidence that it did and there's all those other variables I mentioned that teams potentially valued differently. Some teams might have loved him as a player but not the injuries, and some teams may have been okay with the injury but not the contract.

Jimmy coming back at a backup pay scale is something I didn't think was possible, and frankly, neither did Kyle or John Lynch for that matter if you listen to their recent press conference.

I cringe at the members of the media who says that Jimmy being back on the 49ers will have negative impact on the locker room. Any added pressure that Trey will potentially have with a winning QB behind him, will IMO be negated due to the positive things that Jimmy brings to this 2022 squad. I think Jimmy can help Trey a lot at practice, and more importantly, in game and situational coaching. For a young player who's still learning, this could be a key factor in him being successful early in his career.

I think it's clear that the positives outweigh the negatives in this situation. Where as I didn't see nearly as many positives with keeping Jimmy at 27m. There's no doubt that Trey could become injured this season, as he was in limited time last year, so having a proven and capable backup is potentially a huge deal.

I don't really see a scenario this season in which Lance is playing well and we're still losing a ton of games. For that reason, I hope we never see Jimmy play at all this year, because that would mean Trey is winning and playing at a high enough level that we can build off of for many years to come.

I'm rooting for Jimmy to get a shot as a starter next season. He's always been great for the locker room and he's a good QB. Some aspects of his game will be hard for Trey to match, others not, but I appreciate what he was able to do for this team and wish him success this year and beyond.

I'm 30 years old and I've been a 49ers fan before I could walk. While most kids were watching Disney movies, I was watching the 88 and 89 49ers season highlights on repeat. I was obsessed with the lore of the 49ers and football in general at a very young age. The only thing I've ever wanted is to see my team win a super bowl. So whether that's with Trey, or Jimmy, or Brock Purdy, I really don't care. I just want to see it happen before I'm gone. Which is why the constant back and forth between fans is so silly to me. If you think for one second I will be upset if Jimmy wins us a super bowl, you clearly don't know me and that goes for a lot of fans. Jimmy makes us better, he gives us a better chance to win it all, and all 49ers fans should be excited he's back given his contract.

As you said, not even Shanahan and Lynch thought that was possible. It was briefly discussed in one thread, but IIRC there was lots of skepticism that Jimmy would ever agree to a pay cut. I was one of them. It seemed so far removed from reality that a player would swallow their pride like that. But Jimmy is a different animal, that is clear.

Originally posted by thl408:
I'll be here for the film discussion,

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by BangBang49er:
When you have to wake up a 3 am to countdown Jimmy every single morning, that's obsessive lightweight trolling not being practical. Plain and simple. I don't think there's anything wrong with disliking Jimmy but when you to go to such lengths that many of you went to then claim your opinion is not obviously biased there's more to the story.

Part of me wants to bring constant negativity and stupid arguments to the Trey thread like you guys did here strictly just to show how annoying being negative about everything, every... single...day was/is. I won't do that because it's annoying as hell and at the end of the day it's not Treys or others posters fault theres a faction of the fans that go to any length to just be negative every....single...day...and make threads toxic. Calling people Jimmy Stans and Jimmy Cult for supporting the starting QB for example. It far more than simply disliking Jimmy.

You guys were negative after wins, after playoff wins, after everything. Again, not liking Jimmy is fine but the constant negativity and pushing of stupid conspiracies like Lynch was lying when talking about Jimmy is overboard. It really ruins a thread.

FTFY

Anyway, when you wake up and people say Jimmy is better than Aaron Rodgers

Can you show me this? I mean, I'm sure there might be one guy but most of us completely understand Jimmy's weaknesses.

I remember one guy saying Jimmy made a throw only Rodgers makes and you guys taking that completely out of context just to argue as saying Jimmy is better but I don't recall ever seeing this discussion that Jimmy is better than Aaron Rodgers.

some starter is going down with a season ending injury early in the season (likely within first 3 weeks). Hopefully they trade for JG and we get at least a 3rd round pick/conditional 2nd pick.

...the obsession over Rodgers who chokes every year in the playoffs outside of the one year he had an elite defense (Clay Matthews, AJ Hawk) despite having multiple byes and number 1 seeds while playing in one of the worst divisions in NFL for the past 20 years. He is the 49ers personal b***h in the playoffs, losing every single time, who cares if he is a better QB than so and so if he can't win when the games matter the most. But but he throws such a beautiful ball and wins regular season MVPs...

Originally posted by BangBang49er:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by BangBang49er:
When you have to wake up a 3 am to countdown Jimmy every single morning, that's obsessive lightweight trolling not being practical. Plain and simple. I don't think there's anything wrong with disliking Jimmy but when you to go to such lengths that many of you went to then claim your opinion is not obviously biased there's more to the story.

Part of me wants to bring constant negativity and stupid arguments to the Trey thread like you guys did here strictly just to show how annoying being negative about everything, every... single...day was/is. I won't do that because it's annoying as hell and at the end of the day it's not Treys or others posters fault theres a faction of the fans that go to any length to just be negative every....single...day...and make threads toxic. Calling people Jimmy Stans and Jimmy Cult for supporting the starting QB for example. It far more than simply disliking Jimmy.

You guys were negative after wins, after playoff wins, after everything. Again, not liking Jimmy is fine but the constant negativity and pushing of stupid conspiracies like Lynch was lying when talking about Jimmy is overboard. It really ruins a thread.

FTFY

Anyway, when you wake up and people say Jimmy is better than Aaron Rodgers

Can you show me this? I mean, I'm sure there might be one guy but most of us completely understand Jimmy's weaknesses.

I remember one guy saying Jimmy made a throw only Rodgers makes and you guys taking that completely out of context just to argue as saying Jimmy is better but I don't recall ever seeing this discussion that Jimmy is better than Aaron Rodgers.

I've dug it up before and it took a great deal of time. Essentially the argument is that Rodgers doesn't win in the playoffs therefore Jimmy, and his 74.1 career post-season passer rating, is better.

Jose said earlier in the year "F--- anyone who wanted Matt Stafford." Super Bowl champion Matt Stafford.

There were others. So yeah.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
There's going to be negativity with Lance every week as well. Your gonna have your random new posters saying the starting QB sucks all year. You can either divulge into the constant back and forth labeling and name calling or try to have football conversations. I'm seriously done with the former.

I promise you I'll be asking around, trying to find as much negative film posted on YouTube and Twitter, about Trey.

Negative plays are the most talked or rememberable because they're the most controversial. Everyone has a different opinion of who's fault it was on negative plays. Everyone agrees when Trey Lance throws an 80 yard bomb it's a good play, so a conversation about that play is just everyone agreeing, right?

When I come to a forum, I want to talk about the stuff we don't agree on. Sometimes you learn something and that's all I care about.

The only thing that can hinder that is people shaming others for discussing film. Something that happened quite often last season for Jimmy.

I'll be here for the film discussion, well not in this thread but on the forum. Just ignore any members that consider film review stupid. If someone thinks that a win makes everything all good and that film review is nitpicking/hating/pointless, that's okay, just discuss with posters that enjoy engaging in the same topics. It's easy to ignore, you don't have to do anything.

Thank you. I've never understood how someone can believe they're unbiased and then turn around and say you shouldn't discuss film, no matter how positive or negative.

The only thing everyone here should care about is the quality of our football conversations.

Labeling others doesn't add to the conversation, it detracts from it.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by BangBang49er:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by BangBang49er:
When you have to wake up a 3 am to countdown Jimmy every single morning, that's obsessive lightweight trolling not being practical. Plain and simple. I don't think there's anything wrong with disliking Jimmy but when you to go to such lengths that many of you went to then claim your opinion is not obviously biased there's more to the story.

Part of me wants to bring constant negativity and stupid arguments to the Trey thread like you guys did here strictly just to show how annoying being negative about everything, every... single...day was/is. I won't do that because it's annoying as hell and at the end of the day it's not Treys or others posters fault theres a faction of the fans that go to any length to just be negative every....single...day...and make threads toxic. Calling people Jimmy Stans and Jimmy Cult for supporting the starting QB for example. It far more than simply disliking Jimmy.

You guys were negative after wins, after playoff wins, after everything. Again, not liking Jimmy is fine but the constant negativity and pushing of stupid conspiracies like Lynch was lying when talking about Jimmy is overboard. It really ruins a thread.

FTFY

Anyway, when you wake up and people say Jimmy is better than Aaron Rodgers

Can you show me this? I mean, I'm sure there might be one guy but most of us completely understand Jimmy's weaknesses.

I remember one guy saying Jimmy made a throw only Rodgers makes and you guys taking that completely out of context just to argue as saying Jimmy is better but I don't recall ever seeing this discussion that Jimmy is better than Aaron Rodgers.

I've dug it up before and it took a great deal of time. Essentially the argument is that Rodgers doesn't win in the playoffs therefore Jimmy, and his 74.1 career post-season passer rating, is better.

Jose said earlier in the year "F--- anyone who wanted Matt Stafford." Super Bowl champion Matt Stafford.

There were others. So yeah.

Lol I didn't ask about Stafford. Just admit nobody did.

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:
So no one can answer the question? Understood. If someone wants to count up his Patriots days I'll be glad to add. 8 days for now I guess. For those who demanded it return.

3am?

Your post was at 3:53 am.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by BangBang49er:
When you have to wake up a 3 am to countdown Jimmy every single morning, that's obsessive lightweight trolling not being practical. Plain and simple. I don't think there's anything wrong with disliking Jimmy but when you to go to such lengths that many of you went to then claim your opinion is not obviously bias there's more to the story.

Part of me wants to bring constant negativity and stupid arguments to the Trey thread like you guys did here strictly just to show how annoying being negative about everything, every... single...day was/is. I won't do that because it's annoying as hell and at the end of the day it's not Treys or others posters fault theres a faction of the fans that go to any length to just be negative every....single...day...and make threads toxic. Calling people Jimmy Stans and Jimmy Cult for supporting the starting QB for example. It far more than simply disliking Jimmy.

You guys were negative after wins, after playoff wins, after everything. Again, not liking Jimmy is fine but the constant negativity and pushing of stupid conspiracies like Lynch was lying when talking about Jimmy is overboard. It really ruins a thread.

For real. OT win against SB appearing Bengals....negativity, OT win over the SB champ Rams, negativity. No matter what win it was, all 13 of them, there was such constant negativity that was always, "justified".

There's going to be negativity with Lance every week as well. Your gonna have your random new posters saying the starting QB sucks all year. You can either divulge into the constant back and forth labeling and name calling or try to have football conversations. I'm seriously done with the former.

I promise you I'll be asking around, trying to find as much negative film posted on YouTube and Twitter, about Trey.

Negative plays are the most talked or rememberable because they're the most controversial. Everyone has a different opinion of who's fault it was on negative plays. Everyone agrees when Trey Lance throws an 80 yard bomb it's a good play, so a conversation about that play is just everyone agreeing, right?

When I come to a forum, I want to talk about the stuff we don't agree on. Sometimes you learn something and that's all I care about.

The only thing that can hinder that is people shaming others for discussing film. Something that happened quite often last season for Jimmy.

Bro, that 80 td pass was a little high and it had a serious wobble...Get ready for that kind of crap every week. Oh and then there will be those that will wan to compare him to other QB's and claim that we got the wrong guy. It never ends, forty whiner fans. I'm with you though, I won't be posting any of that crap or extending any topics that support that stuff. Go Niners!

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:
So no one can answer the question? Understood. If someone wants to count up his Patriots days I'll be glad to add. 8 days for now I guess. For those who demanded it return.

3am?

Your post was at 3:53 am.

You do know there are time zones right ?

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

So no one can answer the question? Understood. If someone wants to count up his Patriots days I'll be glad to add. 8 days for now I guess. For those who demanded it return.

3am?

Your post was at 3:53 am.

You do know there are time zones right ?

He thinks the whole world is 3:53am at the same time?

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:
So no one can answer the question? Understood. If someone wants to count up his Patriots days I'll be glad to add. 8 days for now I guess. For those who demanded it return.

3am?

Your post was at 3:53 am.

You do know there are time zones right ?

He thinks the whole world is 3:53am at the same time?

Lol, let's see how he spins this one