Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
Don't believe me, doesn't matter to me. Been following this team here in the Bay Area since '77 - that's at least as far back as I can remember watching football when I was young. I've watched every Niners game since then as football has always been far and away my favorite sport and the same for this team. I played the sport for awhile, too.
If you know football, you know it's not just the QB in any big game, especially the playoffs. It has to be good complementary football from a team in executing well. I said he didn't suck as 99 said in those playoff Ws. He didn't. Would I have liked to see him play better in each playoff game, especially down the stretch in the SB? Of course I would. But I have confidence he can do better in the playoffs, and the fact he has big-game & playoff experience, where he's performed very well in some very big games for this team that were key in them getting into those playoffs, is a big reason why I'm hopeful for this season as well. Especially with this D and ST unit. All three phases, complementary football...with Garoppolo as QB1, this team is extremely tough to beat.
I am not doubting that you have been a fan for a long time. I am doubting your standards for QB play if you are satisfied with how Jimmy has played in the playoffs. That's all.
I know Jimmy has won some big games for us, and was instrumental in plenty of them. If you would have focused on the totality of Jimmy's career with us, I wouldn't have responded. But you claimed your expectations for QBs are as high as anyone's, and I question that since you believe Jimmy's playoff games have been in any way close to meeting your standards for 49er quarterback play. Jimmy has repeatedly played below even his own standards, let alone the standards of Young and Montana.
You said Jimmy had some very good moments in all of the playoff games.
Having good moments in no way shape or form is meeting standards for QB play, especially since you wanted to bring Montana and Young into the equation of how you set your standards.
If you think I was comparing Garoppolo's play in his playoff games to that of Montana and Young in the playoffs, you missed my point (or maybe I wasn't clear). I'm saying for the QB position itself as a whole is what I have very high standards based on what I've seen in the past, and Garoppolo's play gets minimized in here far too often, including in the playoffs. Have you watched each of his playoff games multiple times? Again, he wasn't great but did some very good things throughout in many of those Ws where the D had to account for him as well (and D Coordinators had tape on him from earlier that year when he was very good...they had to game plan for him, too, going into each game).
If you want to talk about QBs that have truly sucked in the playoffs, I could respond thoroughly but not interested in spending time on that and this isn't the right thread.
I didnt think you were comparing JG's play in the playoffs to those of Montana and Young in the playoffs. But YOU said that having watched Montana and Young, your standards for QB play are as high as anyone's. And IF, yes IF, your standards are as high as anyone's, then hanging your hat on Jimmy "doing some very good things throughout many of the games" is not reflective of the standards that YOU claim you have.
I have no interest in talking about QBs who truly sucked in the playoffs, because I dont think Jimmy "sucked" in the playoffs. But his play in the playoffs is no where close to good enough....especially if your standards are "as high as anyone's."
