Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by random49er:
It's a 2nd and 9 @ midfield,...right off crazy FG return for a TD where we needed to respond.



Ended up in a punt and luckily for us, Seattle's offense was crap and couldn't do anything all game.

Every QB misses some,....it's just that for him, it seems to happen at too high of a rate. It just seems that plays like these down the field simply aren't in his arsenal. You can pretty much always expect him to lock onto the closest receiver.

Plays like this are what makes some fans pull their hair out saying "Oh Jimmy."

Without practice and work I totally get not hitting that. If something similar comes up this week he has to hit that.

What I won't buy is Kyle doesnt want Jimmy taking that shot by design. It's right there. Go cook.

That's the type of throw Kyle wants that got Trey drafted.

lol same o jimmy... even when he had all the time in the world on that throw.. let jimmy microwave

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by random49er:
It's a 2nd and 9 @ midfield,...right off crazy FG return for a TD where we needed to respond.



Ended up in a punt and luckily for us, Seattle's offense was crap and couldn't do anything all game.

Every QB misses some,....it's just that for him, it seems to happen at too high of a rate. It just seems that plays like these down the field simply aren't in his arsenal. You can pretty much always expect him to lock onto the closest receiver.

Plays like this are what makes some fans pull their hair out saying "Oh Jimmy."

damn, I was hoping maybe after being benched and having shoulder surgery I wouldn't see these consistent misses from him for at least a few games

the sad part is it seems like he even looks at the open wr directly then his head moves and checks down.

Come on Jimmy. Enough is enough. Stop missing easy throws and stop always going to the nearest wr.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
lol same o jimmy... even when he had all the time in the world on that throw.. let jimmy microwave

That "pressure" is equivalent to a sack don't ya know.

Originally posted by random49er:
Hmmmmm. pages 31, 33, 38, and 40 out of a 61 page pdf is a helluva lot of skipping around, cropping, and highlighting.

Not sure how that proves anything about the VAST MAJORITY of our plays.

But I know that confusion like this convinces the masses here,....lol.

Oh random. Well, if you must know, Kyle organizes the playbook in passing concepts and has all the variations of formations that passing concept will run out of. So, Arches, For example, is 4 or 5 pages of just the Arches concept. It's the same exact play, but the different formations and shifts to get there. That's why it's 61 pages. He doesn't have 61 different passing concepts. They're not in order because they didn't all upload at the same speed to my file sharing site so one skipped over the other. I actually skipped over 2 concepts, choice water and another that didn't even have a route deeper than 15 yards so that y'all wouldn't accuse me of cherry picking plays without deep routes. You're welcome to look through the entire playbook yourself. I'll send you the link if you want.

Originally posted by BangBang49er:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by BangBang49er:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:

So we usually do things he doesn't like to do?

I wish Jimmy delved deeper into what he means. What, was 2017 simply, "to hell with progressions and coverage reads"?

Hes saying what jonny is pointing out. This is not Jonny saying this next part but Kyle has gotten stubborn with his plays and demands too much control.

What is jonny pointing out?

What I'm getting out of it is there are basic reads that he wants thrown to and many of the other routes are "alerts". As I pointed out and random did his usual smiley, he wants the ball to go to a certain spot no matter the scenario( I admit may be a little over exaggerated). Meaning those routes are very last resort and that reads one and two are his designed routes. It's Kyle having a huge chunk of control on where the ball goes so he can set up a play later or see what the defenses are doing. Kyle doesn't want improvising he wants plays ran exactly as he designs them. Jimmy used to have more control but as time progressed he was doing what Shanny wanted done.

That's what Jimmy is saying.

So, let me chime in with some further explanation.
1st, what Lombardi is saying Jimmy told him is literally what I've been saying in here for 2 years. Y'all just don't realize it cause some of you just wanted to argue that I was a Jimmy lover. But this isn't shocking to me, at all because it's what I've been saying.

The alerts. Coaches put those in for routes that serve a purpose but aren't part of the progression. Clearing routes will be that way or routes just to get a defender occupied.

For example, there's a great video of Jon Gruden teaching spider 2y banana to Mariota. In it, he draws out the TE corner route and says, "now we don't even want to look here, this is just to clear it out so we're not even going to consider this route. In fact I'm going going to make this an alert. We wanna hit the Fullback in the flat. Maybe if this corner attacks this hard and blows his coverage, then we'll look to it. If he gets a clean release early and I mean early, then we'll take a peak but it's gotta be......clean, you got me?"

So, say we're running a play with a go route as an alert. If the defense has any cushion at all on that receiver, not even looking that way. That's the coaches orders.

If it's press man, only if the coach has deemed that a matchup we like do you consider it. Like Julio Jones on a teams 2nd string corner for example.
If it's a late motion, we might peak the first step if there's a blown coverage, if not we move on as to not disrupt the timing of the drop to the progression reads.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by BangBang49er:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by BangBang49er:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:

So we usually do things he doesn't like to do?

I wish Jimmy delved deeper into what he means. What, was 2017 simply, "to hell with progressions and coverage reads"?

Hes saying what jonny is pointing out. This is not Jonny saying this next part but Kyle has gotten stubborn with his plays and demands too much control.

What is jonny pointing out?

What I'm getting out of it is there are basic reads that he wants thrown to and many of the other routes are "alerts". As I pointed out and random did his usual smiley, he wants the ball to go to a certain spot no matter the scenario( I admit may be a little over exaggerated). Meaning those routes are very last resort and that reads one and two are his designed routes. It's Kyle having a huge chunk of control on where the ball goes so he can set up a play later or see what the defenses are doing. Kyle doesn't want improvising he wants plays ran exactly as he designs them. Jimmy used to have more control but as time progressed he was doing what Shanny wanted done.

That's what Jimmy is saying.

So, let me chime in with some further explanation.
1st, what Lombardi is saying Jimmy told him is literally what I've been saying in here for 2 years. Y'all just don't realize it cause some of you just wanted to argue that I was a Jimmy lover. But this isn't shocking to me, at all because it's what I've been saying.

The alerts. Coaches put those in for routes that serve a purpose but aren't part of the progression. Clearing routes will be that way or routes just to get a defender occupied.

For example, there's a great video of Jon Gruden teaching spider 2y banana to Mariota. In it, he draws out the TE corner route and says, "now we don't even want to look here, this is just to clear it out so we're not even going to consider this route. In fact I'm going going to make this an alert. We wanna hit the Fullback in the flat. Maybe if this corner attacks this hard and blows his coverage, then we'll look to it. If he gets a clean release early and I mean early, then we'll take a peak but it's gotta be......clean, you got me?"

So, say we're running a play with a go route as an alert. If the defense has any cushion at all on that receiver, not even looking that way. That's the coaches orders.

If it's press man, only if the coach has deemed that a matchup we like do you consider it. Like Julio Jones on a teams 2nd string corner for example.
If it's a late motion, we might peak the first step if there's a blown coverage, if not we move on as to not disrupt the timing of the drop to the progression reads.

Wouldn't it be easier to use Kyle's words and not Gruden who coached himself out the league?

like Kyle's words on not hitting the open downfield guy but still completes it shorter and the play works out

i mean if jimmy is doing what Kyle wants, then there isn't a desperate need to trade 3 first rounders

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by BangBang49er:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by BangBang49er:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:

So we usually do things he doesn't like to do?

I wish Jimmy delved deeper into what he means. What, was 2017 simply, "to hell with progressions and coverage reads"?

Hes saying what jonny is pointing out. This is not Jonny saying this next part but Kyle has gotten stubborn with his plays and demands too much control.

What is jonny pointing out?

What I'm getting out of it is there are basic reads that he wants thrown to and many of the other routes are "alerts". As I pointed out and random did his usual smiley, he wants the ball to go to a certain spot no matter the scenario( I admit may be a little over exaggerated). Meaning those routes are very last resort and that reads one and two are his designed routes. It's Kyle having a huge chunk of control on where the ball goes so he can set up a play later or see what the defenses are doing. Kyle doesn't want improvising he wants plays ran exactly as he designs them. Jimmy used to have more control but as time progressed he was doing what Shanny wanted done.

That's what Jimmy is saying.

So, let me chime in with some further explanation.
1st, what Lombardi is saying Jimmy told him is literally what I've been saying in here for 2 years.
.

what have you been saying, exactly?

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Garce:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Yessir it was the TL gameplan / playsheet with JG running it.

LET JIMMY COOK

The whole "Let Russ Cook" is originally for Russell Wilson. Can't steal that.

"Let Jimmy Make Sandwiches!"

Reminds me of Free Ashley (Lelie).

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by BangBang49er:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by BangBang49er:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:

So we usually do things he doesn't like to do?

I wish Jimmy delved deeper into what he means. What, was 2017 simply, "to hell with progressions and coverage reads"?

Hes saying what jonny is pointing out. This is not Jonny saying this next part but Kyle has gotten stubborn with his plays and demands too much control.

What is jonny pointing out?

What I'm getting out of it is there are basic reads that he wants thrown to and many of the other routes are "alerts". As I pointed out and random did his usual smiley, he wants the ball to go to a certain spot no matter the scenario( I admit may be a little over exaggerated). Meaning those routes are very last resort and that reads one and two are his designed routes. It's Kyle having a huge chunk of control on where the ball goes so he can set up a play later or see what the defenses are doing. Kyle doesn't want improvising he wants plays ran exactly as he designs them. Jimmy used to have more control but as time progressed he was doing what Shanny wanted done.

That's what Jimmy is saying.

So, let me chime in with some further explanation.
1st, what Lombardi is saying Jimmy told him is literally what I've been saying in here for 2 years. Y'all just don't realize it cause some of you just wanted to argue that I was a Jimmy lover. But this isn't shocking to me, at all because it's what I've been saying.

The alerts. Coaches put those in for routes that serve a purpose but aren't part of the progression. Clearing routes will be that way or routes just to get a defender occupied.

For example, there's a great video of Jon Gruden teaching spider 2y banana to Mariota. In it, he draws out the TE corner route and says, "now we don't even want to look here, this is just to clear it out so we're not even going to consider this route. In fact I'm going going to make this an alert. We wanna hit the Fullback in the flat. Maybe if this corner attacks this hard and blows his coverage, then we'll look to it. If he gets a clean release early and I mean early, then we'll take a peak but it's gotta be......clean, you got me?"

So, say we're running a play with a go route as an alert. If the defense has any cushion at all on that receiver, not even looking that way. That's the coaches orders.

If it's press man, only if the coach has deemed that a matchup we like do you consider it. Like Julio Jones on a teams 2nd string corner for example.
If it's a late motion, we might peak the first step if there's a blown coverage, if not we move on as to not disrupt the timing of the drop to the progression reads.

Wouldn't it be easier to use Kyle's words and not Gruden who coached himself out the league?

like Kyle's words on not hitting the open downfield guy but still completes it shorter and the play works out

i mean if jimmy is doing what Kyle wants, then there isn't a desperate need to trade 3 first rounders

I think of Jimmy hadn't missed at least half of two of the three seasons he began as starter, there would've been more faith in him. Also, the 2021 QB draft looked far better than 2022, so if they were going to get a guy, that was the time to do it.

Guys that probably have never even played football at any level looking at film trying to pick apart a qb who has played at a high level is a great source of comedic entertainment.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by OhioNiner:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by OhioNiner:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Until I see Jimmy tossing it deep with accuracy i expect the same results as previous seasons. Assuming he stays healthy himself.

I get it, everyone now is enamored with the deep ball. Kinda like the old "Chicks dig the long ball" baseball commercials.

I mean I like it too. It's exciting and it stresses a defense.

However, much like a home run you only get so many opportunities to even do it in a game and yeah you don't want to miss on it when you do.

Plus it has a *potential* down side.
Trey Lance let's say completes the pass he did to Danny Gray in the preseason and it's the same result. Their defense wasn't on the field very long and ours is right back on the field. Of course the seven points are nice.

Jimmy dinks and dunks and we get some run game mixed in and we still get seven while keeping their defense on the field and ours off of it.

It would be nice if his deep ball improves. But aside from that he just needs to do what he does as well as he can. We didn't win or lose, didn't lose a Super Bowl because of his deep ball accuracy or lack thereof. Yes he overthrew Sanders. But that was no more the sole cause of the loss than Tartt dropping the pick last year.

You're going to have to explain to me and Emmanuel Sanders how missing him late in the 4th quarter of a SB Deep and Wide open to take the lead back didn't cost the team anything.

I said deep ball and people think I'm talking Madden. I mean the threat of a deep ball I know you don't throw it deep 20x a game, but defenses need to respect it and Jimmy throws about 4 a year. They dont worry about him going deep, he ignores guys one on one with a 50/50 deep ball every time.

Aside that fact, when you get into championship football I don't care how amazing your team is. There will come a point in the game where you QB NEEDS to make a throw and often it can be a deep shot. Jimmy has never done that. I don't see why that would change now.

I hope he has a f**k it attitude and plays lights out with instinct and not being timid, but I have seen Jimmy not see the right read or not throw it accurately too often to expect magical improvement.

It was only a small sample but we saw a different Jimmy Sunday. He dropped a 40-yard dime on BA along the far sideline that was dropped. It was not an easy catch but one Aiyuk will make most of the time. He also put up a 50/50 ball to Gray in the end zone. The placement could have been a bit better but it did send the message he is willing to put one up there. Denver will have those on film and they will influence the safeties come Sunday.

Let's hope we see more of those.

I honestly believe, and none of us know, that yes Jimmy left on his own will do those things more often.

It's been said and I see Marc Adams has a reply in his mailbag that Jimmy in 2017 was different than Jimmy ever since.

Yes that's post ACL. But it's also pre knowing all of Kyle's offense.

Only he and Kyle can answer that but I think it has much more to do with what Kyle wants Jimmy to do within his offense than it does with what Jimmy is willing or unwilling to do or able or unable to do. Maybe even in his own head. "If I mess up this throw deep it will mess everything else up."

I mean regardless of it's mental because of the ACL or mental because of what he's supposed to do in the offense one consistent observation with Jimmy is he's not playing the same way he did when he first got here. Not as loose and easy and confidently. Given that the ACL was a one time fluke thing back in 2018 I would tend to believe that's not it.

This is false and I KNOW it. Want to know how? (1) Shanahan said (paraphrasing) you'd always prefer the QB to throw to the open deep guy than the short guy, but if it's completed and move the chains, what are you gonna complain to the QB about?
(2) We can SEE THE FILM OURSELVES and see open guys down field not thrown to.

Shanahan is not preventing Jimmy from throwing deep.
Shanahan is not preventing Jimmy from throwing deep.
Shanahan is not preventing Jimmy from throwing deep.
Shanahan is not preventing Jimmy from throwing deep.
Shanahan is not preventing Jimmy from throwing deep.
Shanahan is not preventing Jimmy from throwing deep.
Shanahan is not preventing Jimmy from throwing deep.
Shanahan is not preventing Jimmy from throwing deep.
Shanahan is not preventing Jimmy from throwing deep.
Shanahan is not preventing Jimmy from throwing deep.
Shanahan is not preventing Jimmy from throwing deep.
Shanahan is not preventing Jimmy from throwing deep.
Shanahan is not preventing Jimmy from throwing deep.
Shanahan is not preventing Jimmy from throwing deep.
Shanahan is not preventing Jimmy from throwing deep.
Shanahan is not preventing Jimmy from throwing deep.
Shanahan is not preventing Jimmy from throwing deep.
Shanahan is not preventing Jimmy from throwing deep.
Shanahan is not preventing Jimmy from throwing deep.
Shanahan is not preventing Jimmy from throwing deep.
Shanahan is not preventing Jimmy from throwing deep.

Alright, calm down there, buddy.
Here's some nuggets for you since people seem to think I'm not being honest about this. Many of the "deep" throws in Kyle's playbook are "alerts". They're triggered by certain conditions and ONLY by certain conditions. An alert is usually that you only look that way if there's a busted coverage.

FYI, these are all out of the 5-7 step drop portion of his playbook which is only half the passes. The rest are 3 step drop of play-action.


Here you see the corner routes are Alerts and the go route is a coverage adjustment route only against C2 zone


This is Kyle's version of Martz's Short post concept. The outside routes are Alerts and only verticals as coverage adjustments to run a vertical vs C2 zone



Even on a Go+Shade the Go is only an Alert



These are only a few examples but what you see in the VAST MAJORITY of our plays. If we're throwing the Alert, it's got to be triggered by the conditions established by KS himself or a busted coverage. On an Alert, even then the QB is to peak quick and if he doesn't like it move on but NEVER let it disrupt the timing of the primary progression.
For example, If you see press-man on an Z stream, you check to make sure the D didn't bust the late motion and if they didn't you move on to your progression. It'll be super fast.

My comment was to Ohioniner, not you. I am not sure of the custom here, but as I understand it, the last person in the quote chain is usually the one being responded to on most websites. But this has happened a couple of times here so I'm wondering if people think that if they are in the chain of quotes that the most recent comment is to them.

Anyway, as far as these random plays, Shanahan generally has a progression offense, and we can see on the tape when a guy is open down the field and the short pass is taken. For example:


I really, really hope you're not arguing that the above isn't real. It happened, and it happens frequently. Like last year on the Texans on the pa boot to the left where Trey through the deep cross while everyone knows Jimmy would have taken the throw to the tight end.

So I will say unequivocally that Shanahan is NOT why Jimmy throws it short so often. That's Jimmy's reads most of the time; and they are not always the ideal read, even if they are safer.

Originally posted by BangBang49er:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by OhioNiner:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by OhioNiner:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Until I see Jimmy tossing it deep with accuracy i expect the same results as previous seasons. Assuming he stays healthy himself.

I get it, everyone now is enamored with the deep ball. Kinda like the old "Chicks dig the long ball" baseball commercials.

I mean I like it too. It's exciting and it stresses a defense.

However, much like a home run you only get so many opportunities to even do it in a game and yeah you don't want to miss on it when you do.

Plus it has a *potential* down side.
Trey Lance let's say completes the pass he did to Danny Gray in the preseason and it's the same result. Their defense wasn't on the field very long and ours is right back on the field. Of course the seven points are nice.

Jimmy dinks and dunks and we get some run game mixed in and we still get seven while keeping their defense on the field and ours off of it.

It would be nice if his deep ball improves. But aside from that he just needs to do what he does as well as he can. We didn't win or lose, didn't lose a Super Bowl because of his deep ball accuracy or lack thereof. Yes he overthrew Sanders. But that was no more the sole cause of the loss than Tartt dropping the pick last year.

You're going to have to explain to me and Emmanuel Sanders how missing him late in the 4th quarter of a SB Deep and Wide open to take the lead back didn't cost the team anything.

I said deep ball and people think I'm talking Madden. I mean the threat of a deep ball I know you don't throw it deep 20x a game, but defenses need to respect it and Jimmy throws about 4 a year. They dont worry about him going deep, he ignores guys one on one with a 50/50 deep ball every time.

Aside that fact, when you get into championship football I don't care how amazing your team is. There will come a point in the game where you QB NEEDS to make a throw and often it can be a deep shot. Jimmy has never done that. I don't see why that would change now.

I hope he has a f**k it attitude and plays lights out with instinct and not being timid, but I have seen Jimmy not see the right read or not throw it accurately too often to expect magical improvement.

It was only a small sample but we saw a different Jimmy Sunday. He dropped a 40-yard dime on BA along the far sideline that was dropped. It was not an easy catch but one Aiyuk will make most of the time. He also put up a 50/50 ball to Gray in the end zone. The placement could have been a bit better but it did send the message he is willing to put one up there. Denver will have those on film and they will influence the safeties come Sunday.

Let's hope we see more of those.

I honestly believe, and none of us know, that yes Jimmy left on his own will do those things more often.

It's been said and I see Marc Adams has a reply in his mailbag that Jimmy in 2017 was different than Jimmy ever since.

Yes that's post ACL. But it's also pre knowing all of Kyle's offense.

Only he and Kyle can answer that but I think it has much more to do with what Kyle wants Jimmy to do within his offense than it does with what Jimmy is willing or unwilling to do or able or unable to do. Maybe even in his own head. "If I mess up this throw deep it will mess everything else up."

I mean regardless of it's mental because of the ACL or mental because of what he's supposed to do in the offense one consistent observation with Jimmy is he's not playing the same way he did when he first got here. Not as loose and easy and confidently. Given that the ACL was a one time fluke thing back in 2018 I would tend to believe that's not it.

This is false and I KNOW it. Want to know how? (1) Shanahan said (paraphrasing) you'd always prefer the QB to throw to the open deep guy than the short guy, but if it's completed and move the chains, what are you gonna complain to the QB about?
(2) We can SEE THE FILM OURSELVES and see open guys down field not thrown to.

Shanahan is not preventing Jimmy from throwing deep.
Shanahan is not preventing Jimmy from throwing deep.
Shanahan is not preventing Jimmy from throwing deep.
Shanahan is not preventing Jimmy from throwing deep.
Shanahan is not preventing Jimmy from throwing deep.
Shanahan is not preventing Jimmy from throwing deep.
Shanahan is not preventing Jimmy from throwing deep.
Shanahan is not preventing Jimmy from throwing deep.
Shanahan is not preventing Jimmy from throwing deep.
Shanahan is not preventing Jimmy from throwing deep.
Shanahan is not preventing Jimmy from throwing deep.
Shanahan is not preventing Jimmy from throwing deep.
Shanahan is not preventing Jimmy from throwing deep.
Shanahan is not preventing Jimmy from throwing deep.
Shanahan is not preventing Jimmy from throwing deep.
Shanahan is not preventing Jimmy from throwing deep.
Shanahan is not preventing Jimmy from throwing deep.
Shanahan is not preventing Jimmy from throwing deep.
Shanahan is not preventing Jimmy from throwing deep.
Shanahan is not preventing Jimmy from throwing deep.
Shanahan is not preventing Jimmy from throwing deep.

Alright, calm down there, buddy.
Here's some nuggets for you since people seem to think I'm not being honest about this. Many of the "deep" throws in Kyle's playbook are "alerts". They're triggered by certain conditions and ONLY by certain conditions. An alert is usually that you only look that way if there's a busted coverage.

FYI, these are all out of the 5-7 step drop portion of his playbook which is only half the passes. The rest are 3 step drop of play-action.


Here you see the corner routes are Alerts and the go route is a coverage adjustment route only against C2 zone


This is Kyle's version of Martz's Short post concept. The outside routes are Alerts and only verticals as coverage adjustments to run a vertical vs C2 zone



Even on a Go Shade the Go is only an Alert



These are only a few examples but what you see in the VAST MAJORITY of our plays. If we're throwing the Alert, it's got to be triggered by the conditions established by KS himself or a busted coverage. On an Alert, even then the QB is to peak quick and if he doesn't like it move on but NEVER let it disrupt the timing of the primary progression.
For example, If you see press-man on an Z stream, you check to make sure the D didn't bust the late motion and if they didn't you move on to your progression. It'll be super fast.

Nice post. I'm really excited to hear 5's brilliant response.

Here it is:


I know what an alert is. Unlike most of you I played QB in high school.

Take a look at Go + Shade. What is the number one? Is it the five yard in? Nope. It's the deep pass to the TE. Thank you and good night.

I'm really excited to see your non-brilliant, limited football knowledge response.

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by random49er:
It's a 2nd and 9 @ midfield,...right off crazy FG return for a TD where we needed to respond.



Ended up in a punt and luckily for us, Seattle's offense was crap and couldn't do anything all game.

Every QB misses some,....it's just that for him, it seems to happen at too high of a rate. It just seems that plays like these down the field simply aren't in his arsenal. You can pretty much always expect him to lock onto the closest receiver.

Plays like this are what makes some fans pull their hair out saying "Oh Jimmy."

damn, I was hoping maybe after being benched and having shoulder surgery I wouldn't see these consistent misses from him for at least a few games

the sad part is it seems like he even looks at the open wr directly then his head moves and checks down.

Come on Jimmy. Enough is enough. Stop missing easy throws and stop always going to the nearest wr.

Some people really do want us to believe it's all play design.

But thank you thank you, All-22.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by random49er:
It's a 2nd and 9 @ midfield,...right off crazy FG return for a TD where we needed to respond.



Ended up in a punt and luckily for us, Seattle's offense was crap and couldn't do anything all game.

Every QB misses some,....it's just that for him, it seems to happen at too high of a rate. It just seems that plays like these down the field simply aren't in his arsenal. You can pretty much always expect him to lock onto the closest receiver.

Plays like this are what makes some fans pull their hair out saying "Oh Jimmy."

damn, I was hoping maybe after being benched and having shoulder surgery I wouldn't see these consistent misses from him for at least a few games

the sad part is it seems like he even looks at the open wr directly then his head moves and checks down.

Come on Jimmy. Enough is enough. Stop missing easy throws and stop always going to the nearest wr.

Some people really do want us to believe it's all play design.

But thank you thank you, All-22.

Jimmy throwing a 30 yard pass while getting pressured moving out off the pocket

Some of you don't understand basic physics. Personally I think the ball should have been out much sooner to RayRay(I think) before he escaped the pocket so that is on Jimmy. In the rain. Funny how rain only matters when it suits your agenda.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by OhioNiner:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by OhioNiner:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Until I see Jimmy tossing it deep with accuracy i expect the same results as previous seasons. Assuming he stays healthy himself.

I get it, everyone now is enamored with the deep ball. Kinda like the old "Chicks dig the long ball" baseball commercials.

I mean I like it too. It's exciting and it stresses a defense.

However, much like a home run you only get so many opportunities to even do it in a game and yeah you don't want to miss on it when you do.

Plus it has a *potential* down side.
Trey Lance let's say completes the pass he did to Danny Gray in the preseason and it's the same result. Their defense wasn't on the field very long and ours is right back on the field. Of course the seven points are nice.

Jimmy dinks and dunks and we get some run game mixed in and we still get seven while keeping their defense on the field and ours off of it.

It would be nice if his deep ball improves. But aside from that he just needs to do what he does as well as he can. We didn't win or lose, didn't lose a Super Bowl because of his deep ball accuracy or lack thereof. Yes he overthrew Sanders. But that was no more the sole cause of the loss than Tartt dropping the pick last year.

You're going to have to explain to me and Emmanuel Sanders how missing him late in the 4th quarter of a SB Deep and Wide open to take the lead back didn't cost the team anything.

I said deep ball and people think I'm talking Madden. I mean the threat of a deep ball I know you don't throw it deep 20x a game, but defenses need to respect it and Jimmy throws about 4 a year. They dont worry about him going deep, he ignores guys one on one with a 50/50 deep ball every time.

Aside that fact, when you get into championship football I don't care how amazing your team is. There will come a point in the game where you QB NEEDS to make a throw and often it can be a deep shot. Jimmy has never done that. I don't see why that would change now.

I hope he has a f**k it attitude and plays lights out with instinct and not being timid, but I have seen Jimmy not see the right read or not throw it accurately too often to expect magical improvement.

It was only a small sample but we saw a different Jimmy Sunday. He dropped a 40-yard dime on BA along the far sideline that was dropped. It was not an easy catch but one Aiyuk will make most of the time. He also put up a 50/50 ball to Gray in the end zone. The placement could have been a bit better but it did send the message he is willing to put one up there. Denver will have those on film and they will influence the safeties come Sunday.

Let's hope we see more of those.

I honestly believe, and none of us know, that yes Jimmy left on his own will do those things more often.

It's been said and I see Marc Adams has a reply in his mailbag that Jimmy in 2017 was different than Jimmy ever since.

Yes that's post ACL. But it's also pre knowing all of Kyle's offense.

Only he and Kyle can answer that but I think it has much more to do with what Kyle wants Jimmy to do within his offense than it does with what Jimmy is willing or unwilling to do or able or unable to do. Maybe even in his own head. "If I mess up this throw deep it will mess everything else up."

I mean regardless of it's mental because of the ACL or mental because of what he's supposed to do in the offense one consistent observation with Jimmy is he's not playing the same way he did when he first got here. Not as loose and easy and confidently. Given that the ACL was a one time fluke thing back in 2018 I would tend to believe that's not it.

This is false and I KNOW it. Want to know how? (1) Shanahan said (paraphrasing) you'd always prefer the QB to throw to the open deep guy than the short guy, but if it's completed and move the chains, what are you gonna complain to the QB about?
(2) We can SEE THE FILM OURSELVES and see open guys down field not thrown to.

Shanahan is not preventing Jimmy from throwing deep.
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Shanahan is not preventing Jimmy from throwing deep.

Alright, calm down there, buddy.
Here's some nuggets for you since people seem to think I'm not being honest about this. Many of the "deep" throws in Kyle's playbook are "alerts". They're triggered by certain conditions and ONLY by certain conditions. An alert is usually that you only look that way if there's a busted coverage.

FYI, these are all out of the 5-7 step drop portion of his playbook which is only half the passes. The rest are 3 step drop of play-action.


Here you see the corner routes are Alerts and the go route is a coverage adjustment route only against C2 zone


This is Kyle's version of Martz's Short post concept. The outside routes are Alerts and only verticals as coverage adjustments to run a vertical vs C2 zone



Even on a Go+Shade the Go is only an Alert



These are only a few examples but what you see in the VAST MAJORITY of our plays. If we're throwing the Alert, it's got to be triggered by the conditions established by KS himself or a busted coverage. On an Alert, even then the QB is to peak quick and if he doesn't like it move on but NEVER let it disrupt the timing of the primary progression.
For example, If you see press-man on an Z stream, you check to make sure the D didn't bust the late motion and if they didn't you move on to your progression. It'll be super fast.

Golden playing Madden and JD teaching a masterclass.

Yeah no. What JD did was cherry pick okays with the first read short because he thought my post to Ohioniner was an attack on him. Look at the last one he posted. What is the number one read? Where is Jimmy throwing it 90% of the time?