Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:
We've officially hit the 9ers4eva and Hoov portion of the day where facts are ignored to pump up a Rams QB and disparage a 49er QB played under the same circumstances.

Lol No one disparaged anyone (another gross exaggeration), simply calling out your exaggerated nonsense and propensity to pivot and add in caveat after caveat after your assertions are disproven.

You wanted facts on your hypothetical. You got them. You've got nothing to counter, unfortunately. Or at least show me the "exaggeration."

My hypothetical?! You provided facts? Lol holy s**t NC.

Originally posted by 49ersking:
Jimmy G. has been with this team for the last few years, strengths & weaknesses have been well analyzed by the fans, and the media, over and over again.

If Jimmy G. misses games again due to injury, and/or we don't make the playoffs, most likely 49ers will move on from him.
If the 49ers make the playoffs (not SB), most likely he will offered the same backup job (no one knows how Lance will pan out, it's unknown)
If the 49ers make the SB and/or win it, that equates to at least 3 NFCCG in every season that he has been healthy. He will most likely get a new 3-yr contract.

As to your last, what are the 49ers doing with Trey in that scenario?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Dafuq?

He posted the video of Stafford throwing a game winning TD with a separated shoulder. Flies in the face of the he would fold narrative.

What does that have to do with anything? LOL.

You're saying if swapped, Stafford would have folded in place of Jimmy... what opinion is that based on? I provided evidence that Stafford is tough as nails and excels through adversity. Just trying to understand how you came to that opinion.

Edit: re-reading your original post... its a ridiculous take lol.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Jimmy Garoppolo's record is 3-7 when he has passed the ball more than 30 times and the run game has failed to gain 100 yards on the ground. This does not include games he did not start or did not finish.

Man, that's a telling stat.

Originally posted by Garce:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Dafuq?

He posted the video of Stafford throwing a game winning TD with a separated shoulder. Flies in the face of the he would fold narrative.

What does that have to do with anything? LOL.

You're saying if swapped, Stafford would have folded in place of Jimmy... what opinion is that based on? I provided evidence that Stafford is tough as nails and excels through adversity. Just trying to understand how you came to that opinion.

funny how NC forgets what he posted when called out

While i don't think Stafford is great, but i do respect him going down fighting than not

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Garce:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Dafuq?

He posted the video of Stafford throwing a game winning TD with a separated shoulder. Flies in the face of the he would fold narrative.

What does that have to do with anything? LOL. I

You're saying if swapped, Stafford would have folded in place of Jimmy... what opinion is that based on? I provided evidence that Stafford is tough as nails and excels through adversity. Just trying to understand how you came to that opinion.

funny how NC forgets what he posted when called out

While i don't think Stafford is great, but i do respect him going down fighting than not

Tough had NOTHING to do with what we were talking about. So weird.

What evidence? That would require you both actually reading what I posted over the last hour. LOL

Originally posted by Garce:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Dafuq?

He posted the video of Stafford throwing a game winning TD with a separated shoulder. Flies in the face of the he would fold narrative.

What does that have to do with anything? LOL.

You're saying if swapped, Stafford would have folded in place of Jimmy... what opinion is that based on? I provided evidence that Stafford is tough as nails and excels through adversity. Just trying to understand how you came to that opinion.

Edit: re-reading your original post... its a ridiculous take lol.

Facts are hard.

Fine. Simply find one QB who won with over 38% pressure rate and less than 2.5 ypc in any game. I'll wait.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Jimmy Garoppolo's record is 3-7 when he has passed the ball more than 30 times and the run game has failed to gain 100 yards on the ground. This does not include games he did not start or did not finish.

Makes sense. If hes not getting carried we lose.

And when he's not our starting qb, we lose more than win. Team sports are like that.

The QB dictates if an offense can be pass centric. If you look around the league at all the run heavy offenses, Jimmy is a notch above all of those QB's. But if you put Jimmy on a pass centric offense, I can't see him putting up elite QB stats. The reason is because of his inability to make defenses pay for cheating on the shorter routes like the elite QB's are capable of. Jimmy relies on the running game to keep defenses honest. All elite QB's are capable of running that same short rhythmic passing game that Jimmy thrives in. Where the elite QB's separate themselves from Jimmy is their ability to blow the top off of defenses.

I genuinely hope we get this guy because I want to see it so badly with Kyle in his offense today. LOL

Jimmy was pretty successful in a spread offense. That's QB centric. But who knows if he'd find success like that in the NFL if he went to another team that had a spread offense for 17+ games. I could certainly see an argument against that.

What a lot of people forget is that it is the OC or Head Coach who calls the plays and not the QB. QB just has some options in the play called. If YACBros85 was right that means that Lance isn't much good as a passer given the percentage of run plays Kyle called when playing him this year....

Not the best argument I have seen

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Jimmy Garoppolo's record is 3-7 when he has passed the ball more than 30 times and the run game has failed to gain 100 yards on the ground. This does not include games he did not start or did not finish.

Makes sense. If hes not getting carried we lose.

And when he's not our starting qb, we lose more than win. Team sports are like that.

The QB dictates if an offense can be pass centric. If you look around the league at all the run heavy offenses, Jimmy is a notch above all of those QB's. But if you put Jimmy on a pass centric offense, I can't see him putting up elite QB stats. The reason is because of his inability to make defenses pay for cheating on the shorter routes like the elite QB's are capable of. Jimmy relies on the running game to keep defenses honest. All elite QB's are capable of running that same short rhythmic passing game that Jimmy thrives in. Where the elite QB's separate themselves from Jimmy is their ability to blow the top off of defenses.

I genuinely hope we get this guy because I want to see it so badly with Kyle in his offense today. LOL

Jimmy was pretty successful in a spread offense. That's QB centric. But who knows if he'd find success like that in the NFL if he went to another team that had a spread offense for 17+ games. I could certainly see an argument against that.

We almost had "that guy" in Kirk Cousins. LOL

Jimmy may have thrived in a spread offense in college but I find it hard to believe he would find extensive success if he ran one in the NFL. Again, he would be limited because of his ability to push the ball down field when neccessary. Same thing with Alex Smith. He ran alot of spread in KC with Andy Reid but when teams forced him to go vertical at a high rate, they would lose. That was the main reason why they drafted Pat Mahomes. I honestly believe that Jimmy is in an offense that best fits his skillset. But when the rushing attack isn't on its game, Jimmy has shown to be less affective and his record reflects that. Now, should Kyle go spread more often when the run game isn't working? That is a real question to ponder.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:
We've officially hit the 9ers4eva and Hoov portion of the day where facts are ignored to pump up a Rams QB and disparage a 49er QB played under the same circumstances.

Lol No one disparaged anyone (another gross exaggeration), simply calling out your exaggerated nonsense and propensity to pivot and add in caveat after caveat after your assertions are disproven.

You wanted facts on your hypothetical. You got them. You've got nothing to counter, unfortunately. Or at least show me the "exaggeration."

My hypothetical?! You provided facts? Lol holy s**t NC.

Per usual, you've got no counter.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Garce:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Dafuq?

He posted the video of Stafford throwing a game winning TD with a separated shoulder. Flies in the face of the he would fold narrative.

What does that have to do with anything? LOL.

You're saying if swapped, Stafford would have folded in place of Jimmy... what opinion is that based on? I provided evidence that Stafford is tough as nails and excels through adversity. Just trying to understand how you came to that opinion.

Edit: re-reading your original post... its a ridiculous take lol.

Facts are hard.

Fine. Simply find one QB who won with over 38% pressure rate and less than 2.5 ypc in any game. I'll wait.

pretty sure Burrow in every game last year

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

we still trying blame everyone else due to jimmys limitations .. just call the spade a spade and move on

He is available and he wins.

Those are what concern me.

beating inferior teams is fun in all, but he doesn't win when it counts due to his limitations and constant mistakes

i really hope he can change that this year, but it's year 6 now

He has won a ton of games when it counts against top teams.

The team with him has been good enough to win 2 SBs.

a ton of games that count.. would mean we won 2 SBs at least

i agree the team is good enough, but not good enough to win without the QB showing up.

The QB played good enough to win a SB already.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Facts are hard.

Fine. Simply find one QB who won with over 38% pressure rate and less than 2.5 ypc in any game. I'll wait.

Won any game? Or playoff game? What's your source for these pressure rates?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:
We've officially hit the 9ers4eva and Hoov portion of the day where facts are ignored to pump up a Rams QB and disparage a 49er QB played under the same circumstances.

Lol No one disparaged anyone (another gross exaggeration), simply calling out your exaggerated nonsense and propensity to pivot and add in caveat after caveat after your assertions are disproven.

You wanted facts on your hypothetical. You got them. You've got nothing to counter, unfortunately. Or at least show me the "exaggeration."

My hypothetical?! You provided facts? Lol holy s**t NC.

Per usual, you've got no counter.

I gave you a counter to YOUR hypothetical and per usual you started shifting and pivoting all over the place. Have a good day

Originally posted by Polkadots:

Originally posted by 49ersking:
Jimmy G. has been with this team for the last few years, strengths & weaknesses have been well analyzed by the fans, and the media, over and over again.

If Jimmy G. misses games again due to injury, and/or we don't make the playoffs, most likely 49ers will move on from him.
If the 49ers make the playoffs (not SB), most likely he will offered the same backup job (no one knows how Lance will pan out, it's unknown)
If the 49ers make the SB and/or win it, that equates to at least 3 NFCCG in every season that he has been healthy. He will most likely get a new 3-yr contract.

As to your last, what are the 49ers doing with Trey in that scenario?

Contract details online - Lance signed a 34 million contract, out of which, seems like 24+ million is already paid out. The next two seasons ('23 and '24) the 49ers owe him a total of 8 million (3 & 5), which is not much in the big scheme. My guess is he will be the backup, at least for '23. The '24 season is a bit way, don't know.