Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
LMAO what?

To be fair, Jimmy might have thrown an interception if the ball wasnt deflected at the line. Cmon Jake SMFH.

I know what you're looking at, but I am not so sure about that. The ball could have been high, giving Kittle the only shot at it or it could be faster than the defensive player coming down. The deflection happened to close to the pass for me to be able to tell. Are you saying with a 100% certainty, you can?

I said with 100% certainty that he MIGHT HAVE thrown a pick. Either way, I cant say with any degree of confidence that Jimmy made the correct read. I dont believe that at all.

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
LMAO what?

To be fair, Jimmy might have thrown an interception if the ball wasnt deflected at the line. Cmon Jake SMFH.

I know what you're looking at, but I am not so sure about that. The ball could have been high, giving Kittle the only shot at it or it could be faster than the defensive player coming down. The deflection happened to close to the pass for me to be able to tell. Are you saying with a 100% certainty, you can?

There's a lot going on with this play (pass to Kittle deflected at the line). If Jimmy sees the safety on the trips side rotate down, the elite play is to attack the side that the rotation came from. So had Jimmy saw that safety coming down, maybe he moves off of the matchup he likes (Kittle 1v1) and gives the trips side a chance, which might allow him to see Aiyuk. I can't blame him for liking Kittle 1v1, but I do wonder if he saw the downhill safety who could have either defended the pass (if no deflection at the line) or light up Kittle.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I said with 100% certainty that he MIGHT HAVE thrown a pick. Either way, I cant say with any degree of confidence that Jimmy made the correct read. I dont believe that at all.

That's fair. I missed that part.

My point was that using that play as an example of "Jimmy Sucks" was a bad choice. His selection wasn't ideal, but I don't think it was a horrible decision.

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I said with 100% certainty that he MIGHT HAVE thrown a pick. Either way, I cant say with any degree of confidence that Jimmy made the correct read. I dont believe that at all.

That's fair. I missed that part.

My point was that using that play as an example of "Jimmy Sucks" was a bad choice. His selection wasn't ideal, but I don't think it was a horrible decision.

I think its just one of many misses on the evening. No, it wasnt the most egregious miss. But if you add everything up, its just another missed chance at a nice play.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
It just bugs me because you're making definitive statements now that a player is injured.

Ppl may be getting it twisted. It's not definitive statements imo about his career. It's more like a definitive statement about his first two years. You can make definitive statements about his first 2 years cuz they are in the books.

Saying, "Trey wouldn't have made the playoffs this year" is not a comment on the previous two seasons, it's a baseless projection.

WB, I don't recall saying that. I was very bullish on TL I thought he was gonna light it up this season. I predicted a very good season for us and TL.

Originally posted by thl408:
There's a lot going on with this play (pass to Kittle deflected at the line). If Jimmy sees the safety on the trips side rotate down, the elite play is to attack the side that the rotation came from. So had Jimmy saw that safety coming down, maybe he moves off of the matchup he likes (Kittle 1v1) and gives the trips side a chance, which might allow him to see Aiyuk. I can't blame him for liking Kittle 1v1, but I do wonder if he saw the downhill safety who could have either defended the pass (if no deflection at the line) or light up Kittle.

I don't know that safety could have lit up Kittle..but I agree with the rest. Kittle has both size and angle if a collision happens.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Same throw people get mad at Lance for not hitting perfectly. Yet our 8 yr vet can't hit it

Lance isn't hitting anyone right now.

Which has absolutely nothing to do with what I said

It'll be like that for until the 2023 season. It's a nice comeback since Lance can't play right now. Even if Jimmy has a 1.0 rating, "still better than Lance". ooohhh gotcha.

It isn't a gotcha, it is a fact.
Jimmy is better than Lance this year.

People complaining about how Jimmy gets a pass for things Lance doesn't is a dumb topic because Lance hasn't played at all essentially. He hasn't proven anything yet.

The post I responded to had nothing to do with Jimmy's play, it was complaining about how Trey is being treated on the Internet.

Yes it is a fact. Lance can't play because he's injured. So if Jimmy throws for 0 TD and 5 INTs in a game, that's still more production than what Lance is providing. Still, your post was not a good response to what NY was saying. Understand the context of his post and you'll understand what I mean.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
It just bugs me because you're making definitive statements now that a player is injured.

Ppl may be getting it twisted. It's not definitive statements imo about his career. It's more like a definitive statement about his first two years. You can make definitive statements about his first 2 years cuz they are in the books.

Saying, "Trey wouldn't have made the playoffs this year" is not a comment on the previous two seasons, it's a baseless projection. You agreed that Trey is a bust and garbage QB after 3 games. Unless you think a player can't improve after his first 3 full games, that's also a statement about the future. I think you're getting it twisted.

I liked the 49ers chances for the playoffs with Lance this year. A lot.

I have no problem if you didn't think we would make the playoffs with Trey. It's when people act like they can make factual statements about Trey last season and this season when he's not playing that I have an issue with.

Last season was, "starting Trey would have resulted in a wasted season"

This season it's "we wouldn't have made the playoffs with Trey, Jimmy will win more games"

I'm sure there's going to be posters who claim that we would have won this game or that game if Trey started over Jimmy. I think that's incorrect as well.

Originally posted by Jakemall:
I'm not giving up yet. Jimmy didn't have an off season to practice with the team. He can get better. Kyle can get better. Our OL needs to get better (or Kyle needs to change his game plans).

It's a long season and still a lot of football to be played.

If the defense continues to play at a high level like they've done so far though 3 games. All we need from the offense Is for Jimmy to be more consistent and settle down.

I see this team as being too talented for them to not make the playoffs.

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by thl408:
There's a lot going on with this play (pass to Kittle deflected at the line). If Jimmy sees the safety on the trips side rotate down, the elite play is to attack the side that the rotation came from. So had Jimmy saw that safety coming down, maybe he moves off of the matchup he likes (Kittle 1v1) and gives the trips side a chance, which might allow him to see Aiyuk. I can't blame him for liking Kittle 1v1, but I do wonder if he saw the downhill safety who could have either defended the pass (if no deflection at the line) or light up Kittle.

I don't know that safety could have lit up Kittle..but I agree with the rest. Kittle has both size and angle if a collision happens.

Just because he has the size doesn't mean it's okay to lead him into downhill safeties. Upon further review, it does look like the safety took an angle to play the pass and was not looking to hit Kittle. The safety looked upset that the pass was deflected at the line.

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by Jakemall:
I'm not giving up yet. Jimmy didn't have an off season to practice with the team. He can get better. Kyle can get better. Our OL needs to get better (or Kyle needs to change his game plans).

It's a long season and still a lot of football to be played.

If the defense continues to play at a high level like they've done so far though 3 games. All we need from the offense Is for Jimmy to be more consistent and settle down.

I see this team as being too talented for them to not make the playoffs.

I do think Jimmy not having a proper camp is a valid reason for his timing being off. When he's at his best, he is a rhythm passer that gets the ball out once he completes his dropback. Anything more than a dropback and two hitches, the trouble starts.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
It just bugs me because you're making definitive statements now that a player is injured.

Ppl may be getting it twisted. It's not definitive statements imo about his career. It's more like a definitive statement about his first two years. You can make definitive statements about his first 2 years cuz they are in the books.

Saying, "Trey wouldn't have made the playoffs this year" is not a comment on the previous two seasons, it's a baseless projection.

WB, I don't recall saying that. I was very bullish on TL I thought he was gonna light it up this season. I predicted a very good season for us and TL.

I'm not saying you said that. You said people were not making definitive statements about his career after 3-4 games. When that is completely false and I gave an example.

Originally posted by thl408:
Yes it is a fact. Lance can't play because he's injured. So if Jimmy throws for 0 TD and 5 INTs in a game, that's still more production than what Lance is providing. Still, your post was not a good response to what NY was saying. Understand the context of his post and you'll understand what I mean.

I thought Woo had a good response. JG can't hit it. Okay fine. I heard multiple broadcasts say it's basically his preseason. He's getting the rust out. Is that an excuse? It is. If you are out there you should play better.. or you shouldn't be out there. I get that.

Pointing out TL can't hit it.. he's hurt. It makes sense to me. All of us were sold on the idea we were moving on from JG. We would have a QB upgrade and perhaps most importantly a more durable FQB. We don't. Least not yet.

Originally posted by thl408:
Just because he has the size doesn't mean it's okay to lead him into downhill safeties. Upon further review, it does look like the safety took an angle to play the pass and was not looking to hit Kittle. The safety looked upset that the pass was deflected at the line.

I agree that you don't always want to do that, but if you're going to, a TE vs a Safety isn't a bad collision for the TE if the TE sees it coming..and in this case Kittle would have. I also agree that the safety looked to be setting up to make a play on the ball...and we'll never know where or how fast that ball was coming.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by Jakemall:
I'm not giving up yet. Jimmy didn't have an off season to practice with the team. He can get better. Kyle can get better. Our OL needs to get better (or Kyle needs to change his game plans).

It's a long season and still a lot of football to be played.

If the defense continues to play at a high level like they've done so far though 3 games. All we need from the offense Is for Jimmy to be more consistent and settle down.

I see this team as being too talented for them to not make the playoffs.

I do think Jimmy not having a proper camp is a valid reason for his timing being off. When he's at his best, he is a rhythm passer that gets the ball out once he completes his dropback. Anything more than a dropback and two hitches, the trouble starts.

That's a reasonable assessment. He's a good but not great QB. If everything goes as planned, he usually hits. He's not the guy that will fix bad play calling or bad luck often with his skills.