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Sep 28, 2022 at 12:16 PM
Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Ouch...

He isn't wrong. As a play caller you gatta know your QB cant throw a ball past 10 yrds.

Agreed. He's gotta think about personnel more than getting receiver so open a high school QB could hit them.
Sep 28, 2022 at 12:17 PM
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Ouch...

Stupid Kyle scheming mismatches putting a WR on a linebacker. Doesn't he know our QB is scared to step up in the pocket and throw past 8 yards? FIRE HIM!!!111

/s

But yes, how many times did Kyle scheme a WR on a LB, but the stans want to blame Kyle. Come on. This is ridiculous. This falls on Jimmy, not Kyle. And the more I see things like this, the more I wonder how much of Jimmy's success has been Josh McDaniel and Kyle Shanahan, rather than Jimmy (of course his quick release and accuracy get the ball there, but that's all he's contributing to the success, and the failures are almost all on him, as is this case).

Yup all the talk of "Kyle limiting Jimmy and the Offense", but rather it's Jimmy limiting Kyle's playcalling.
Sep 28, 2022 at 12:17 PM
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Jimmy is finally better than Russel!

I'm convinced he's a pedo. Now imagine he's in a van at a kids park doing that same dialogue. It's indistinguishable. He's just hiding his urges through Subway commercials
Sep 28, 2022 at 12:20 PM
Originally posted by Silky:
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Jimmy is finally better than Russel!

I'm convinced he's a pedo. Now imagine he's in a van at a kids park doing that same dialogue. It's indistinguishable. He's just hiding his urges through Subway commercials

That was for sure pedo vibes, and it was probably a purposeful design by the writer to get people thinking about Fogel, because all press is good press. I mean "It's our little secret"? Come on.

But regardless, it looks like he's getting fat. Too much Subway bread.
Sep 28, 2022 at 12:21 PM
Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Ouch...

Stupid Kyle scheming mismatches putting a WR on a linebacker. Doesn't he know our QB is scared to step up in the pocket and throw past 8 yards? FIRE HIM!!!111

/s

But yes, how many times did Kyle scheme a WR on a LB, but the stans want to blame Kyle. Come on. This is ridiculous. This falls on Jimmy, not Kyle. And the more I see things like this, the more I wonder how much of Jimmy's success has been Josh McDaniel and Kyle Shanahan, rather than Jimmy (of course his quick release and accuracy get the ball there, but that's all he's contributing to the success, and the failures are almost all on him, as is this case).

Yup all the talk of "Kyle limiting Jimmy and the Offense", but rather it's Jimmy limiting Kyle's playcalling.

You look up the definition of Limitations and it says: Jimmy G as a starting QB in the NFL 🤣

JUST RUN THE BALL, F JIMMY.
Sep 28, 2022 at 12:21 PM
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Ouch...

He isn't wrong. As a play caller you gatta know your QB cant throw a ball past 10 yrds.

Agreed. He's gotta think about personnel more than getting receiver so open a high school QB could hit them.

I mean he did try once. A 20yd pass has Deebo walking in the endzone. The pass died about 8 yrs out. Deebo had to stop and comeback. Of course Jimmy isn't going to try again.
Sep 28, 2022 at 12:21 PM
Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Ouch...

Stupid Kyle scheming mismatches putting a WR on a linebacker. Doesn't he know our QB is scared to step up in the pocket and throw past 8 yards? FIRE HIM!!!111

/s

But yes, how many times did Kyle scheme a WR on a LB, but the stans want to blame Kyle. Come on. This is ridiculous. This falls on Jimmy, not Kyle. And the more I see things like this, the more I wonder how much of Jimmy's success has been Josh McDaniel and Kyle Shanahan, rather than Jimmy (of course his quick release and accuracy get the ball there, but that's all he's contributing to the success, and the failures are almost all on him, as is this case).

Yup all the talk of "Kyle limiting Jimmy and the Offense", but rather it's Jimmy limiting Kyle's playcalling.

I'd say it's more like Kyle is calling the deep shots and Jimmy either isn't seeing them, isn't throwing them, or is missing them. Case in point: this play. Kyle designs a masterpiece, Jimmy decides not to throw it.
Sep 28, 2022 at 12:22 PM
Weren't yall complaining about the limited play calling for Trey, and how it opened up with Jimmy came in, but now it's Jimmy that is limiting Kyle?
Sep 28, 2022 at 12:26 PM
Originally posted by Franchise408:
Weren't yall complaining about the limited play calling for Trey, and how it opened up with Jimmy came in, but now it's Jimmy that is limiting Kyle?

Treys arm should in theory open the playbook up but unfortunately it seems as though Trey didn't have Kyles trust. Jimmys knowledge of the playbook opens the playbook up but his arm limits what he can do with it. Seems pretty obvious
Sep 28, 2022 at 12:27 PM
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Originally posted by Franchise408:
Weren't yall complaining about the limited play calling for Trey, and how it opened up with Jimmy came in, but now it's Jimmy that is limiting Kyle?

I don't think it was limited with Trey. Kyle was just trying to make use of the running dimension of Trey's game, whether you like that or not. When Trey was throwing, he was taking deep shots (pass to Ray Ray for example in Chicago).
Sep 28, 2022 at 12:45 PM
Originally posted by Franchise408:
Weren't yall complaining about the limited play calling for Trey, and how it opened up with Jimmy came in, but now it's Jimmy that is limiting Kyle?

I wasn't. The only complaint I had with the play calling with Trey is that Shanahan went to the QB power well too many times.
Sep 28, 2022 at 12:53 PM
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by Franchise408:
Weren't yall complaining about the limited play calling for Trey, and how it opened up with Jimmy came in, but now it's Jimmy that is limiting Kyle?

I wasn't. The only complaint I had with the play calling with Trey is that Shanahan went to the QB power well too many times.

This. Trey was on pace for 270+ runs or something like that. And most them were QB power or zone reads into the teeth of the defensive front.

When this complaint was brought up, a lot of people said it was unreasonable because they knew Kyle would run Trey a lot. But that response doesn't acknowledge the sheer frequency of running. Of course fans should have expected some designed runs. But it happened way too often.

After the Seattle game, those same fans that shot down the idea of Trey being limited by Kyle's play calling, went on to say #freeJimmy after his comments vs Seattle.

I think Kyle's in a play calling slump. But neither Jimmy or Trey have executed enough to warrant blaming Kyle for their offensive performances.
Sep 28, 2022 at 12:54 PM
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by dj43:
Jimmy Garoppolo isn't the only QB wanting to have more freedom in the way he plays. Patrick Mahomes was shown on the sideline in a full-blown verbal war with OC Eric Bienimi over conservative play-calling. It became so heated Andy Reid had to drag them into the locker room and out of the public eye.

Conservative play calls have not been a criticism of Reid in the past but this season seems different. KC media is picking up on it and asking questions.

https://arrowheadaddict.com/2022/09/28/kc-chiefs-unleash-patrick-mahomes-aggressive/?utm_campaign=FanSided+Daily&utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email

I know you're not saying that Jimmy and Patrick are the same. But I think it really matters you put them in context with their ability to play. Jimmy missed a lot of throws last week that Mahomes simply would have made.

Kyle's had his issues playcalling this year no doubt about it. That doesn't mean he's even close to the main reason for Jimmy's struggles.

My point was, play-callers go through downturns the same as players. It happens to the best of them. Kyle is clearly on a downturn this season. Many have speculated the loss of McDaniel is to blame, however, that does not excuse some of the truly bad calls and sequencing of plays that have plagued the offense this season. After all, Kyle was supposed to be the guru, not McDaniel.
play calling can not do anything for the offense if the offense can't execute. Don't execute and don't get momentum.. which gives us games like last two sundays

That was not my point at all. Even the best offenses struggle...and lose when the play-calling limits the potential.
its very rare when a play call is executed perfectly and still fail i smy point. You are trying make it play calling when PC wasn't the issue. not executing is the issue

My point was that play-calling is PART of the issue. Poor execution is another part. The fact that the playbook has some new wrinkles in it that the QB is not familiar with is another. Four new players in the OL from last season is yet another part.

As David Lombardi noted in The Athletic this morning:
"Both Garoppolo and Shanahan made numerous negative contributions to the loss at Denver.

Garoppolo missed several open receivers before forcing a pass to heavily covered receiver Deebo Samuel that turned into an interception. Shanahan acknowledged making bad play calls before that pick and the safety, on which Garoppolo stepped out of the back of the end zone. Shanahan had called for play-action on a long dropback, a highly unusual decision given that the 49ers were pinned at their own 1-yard line."

Lombardi's conclusion was: Ensure QB-play caller cohesion

In KC, you cannot blame poor execution on the QB but the issue of questionable play-calling has become a thing in the past two games. In this last game, they punted 3 of the first four possessions. Only gained 49 yards rushing against a banged-up Indy D. Mahomes threw for 262 but his complaint was that Bienimi took the ball out of his hands on several occasions. Reid's presser sought to cool things down but clearly, things have not been well in KC the past two games.
Sep 28, 2022 at 1:00 PM
Originally posted by Franchise408:
Weren't yall complaining about the limited play calling for Trey, and how it opened up with Jimmy came in, but now it's Jimmy that is limiting Kyle?

Sep 28, 2022 at 1:09 PM
Originally posted by Silky:
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Jimmy is finally better than Russel!

I'm convinced he's a pedo. Now imagine he's in a van at a kids park doing that same dialogue. It's indistinguishable. He's just hiding his urges through Subway commercials

Isn't that a prerequisite to be a Subway spokesperson?
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