Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by dj43:
Jimmy Garoppolo isn't the only QB wanting to have more freedom in the way he plays. Patrick Mahomes was shown on the sideline in a full-blown verbal war with OC Eric Bienimi over conservative play-calling. It became so heated Andy Reid had to drag them into the locker room and out of the public eye.

Conservative play calls have not been a criticism of Reid in the past but this season seems different. KC media is picking up on it and asking questions.

https://arrowheadaddict.com/2022/09/28/kc-chiefs-unleash-patrick-mahomes-aggressive/?utm_campaign=FanSided+Daily&utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email

I know you're not saying that Jimmy and Patrick are the same. But I think it really matters you put them in context with their ability to play. Jimmy missed a lot of throws last week that Mahomes simply would have made.

Kyle's had his issues playcalling this year no doubt about it. That doesn't mean he's even close to the main reason for Jimmy's struggles.

My point was, play-callers go through downturns the same as players. It happens to the best of them. Kyle is clearly on a downturn this season. Many have speculated the loss of McDaniel is to blame, however, that does not excuse some of the truly bad calls and sequencing of plays that have plagued the offense this season. After all, Kyle was supposed to be the guru, not McDaniel.

play calling can not do anything for the offense if the offense can't execute. Don't execute and don't get momentum.. which gives us games like last two sundays

That was not my point at all. Even the best offenses struggle...and lose when the play-calling limits the potential.

its very rare when a play call is executed perfectly and still fail i smy point. You are trying make it play calling when PC wasn't the issue. not executing is the issue

My point was that play-calling is PART of the issue. Poor execution is another part. The fact that the playbook has some new wrinkles in it that the QB is not familiar with is another. Four new players in the OL from last season is yet another part.

As David Lombardi noted in The Athletic this morning:
"Both Garoppolo and Shanahan made numerous negative contributions to the loss at Denver.

Garoppolo missed several open receivers before forcing a pass to heavily covered receiver Deebo Samuel that turned into an interception. Shanahan acknowledged making bad play calls before that pick and the safety, on which Garoppolo stepped out of the back of the end zone. Shanahan had called for play-action on a long dropback, a highly unusual decision given that the 49ers were pinned at their own 1-yard line."

Lombardi's conclusion was: Ensure QB-play caller cohesion

In KC, you cannot blame poor execution on the QB but the issue of questionable play-calling has become a thing in the past two games. In this last game, they punted 3 of the first four possessions. Only gained 49 yards rushing against a banged-up Indy D. Mahomes threw for 262 but his complaint was that Bienimi took the ball out of his hands on several occasions. Reid's presser sought to cool things down but clearly, things have not been well in KC the past two games.

Don't bother with All. He can literally, only 👀 one thing on the 49ers. One.

It's only a bad call if your QB can't execute the play. This wouldn't be a bad call with Aaron Rodgers. But it is with Jimmy G. In fact it's a terrible call with him, because he is prone to make astounding mistakes from time to time, especially when under pressure.

You're talking the safety? It would have been a good play with Rodgers?. Ok ok 🤣🤣🤣.

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Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Brent Jones:

"That fumble he was pulling away from the center too early, the pick into double maybe triple coverage was just nasty, but I gotta say, and I don't think I've ever said this before, after you played horrible and you're the reason your team lost the game, you do not smile and go glad handing the other team after the game. I've never seen that from any quarterback ever, that has ever been any good.

"Steve Young? No way. Joe Montana? Hell no. Brett Favre? No chance in heck. You think Russell Wilson is laughing after he throws a pick, steps out of the end zone for a safety and fumbles a ball and plays horrible and his team's 1-2 and the reason they lost the game. It almost looked like he didn't even care. It was so frustrating, and maybe I was just mad because the game was so ugly. If that's me, I'm running for the locker room. I am not smiling, I am not talking to anybody for a week if you play like that.

I just don't get his disposition, but that was really frustrating. Icing on the cake."

https://www.thesfniners.com/49ers-legend-brent-jones-rips-into-jimmy-garoppolo-following-disastrous-performance

Ouch.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Yes. Because Rodgers has vision, and consequently would have thrown it to one of these guys off his back foot, or at least thrown it to their feet:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Yes. Because Rodgers has vision, and consequently would have thrown it to one of these guys off his back foot, or at least thrown it to their feet:


Also, it should be noted that Garoppolo isn't the only player who messed up here. Several blockers got DESTROYED on this play. Nevertheless, a QB of or near Rodgers' quality would have thrown this pass to one of these guys, or at least at their feet.

Originally posted by Young2Owens:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Franchise408:
Weren't yall complaining about the limited play calling for Trey, and how it opened up with Jimmy came in, but now it's Jimmy that is limiting Kyle?

I wasn't. The only complaint I had with the play calling with Trey is that Shanahan went to the QB power well too many times.

This. Trey was on pace for 270+ runs or something like that. And most them were QB power or zone reads into the teeth of the defensive front.

When this complaint was brought up, a lot of people said it was unreasonable because they knew Kyle would run Trey a lot. But that response doesn't acknowledge the sheer frequency of running. Of course fans should have expected some designed runs. But it happened way too often.

After the Seattle game, those same fans that shot down the idea of Trey being limited by Kyle's play calling, went on to say #freeJimmy after his comments vs Seattle.

I think Kyle's in a play calling slump. But neither Jimmy or Trey have executed enough to warrant blaming Kyle for their offensive performances.

Originally posted by Young2Owens:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Brent Jones:

"That fumble he was pulling away from the center too early, the pick into double maybe triple coverage was just nasty, but I gotta say, and I don't think I've ever said this before, after you played horrible and you're the reason your team lost the game, you do not smile and go glad handing the other team after the game. I've never seen that from any quarterback ever, that has ever been any good.

"Steve Young? No way. Joe Montana? Hell no. Brett Favre? No chance in heck. You think Russell Wilson is laughing after he throws a pick, steps out of the end zone for a safety and fumbles a ball and plays horrible and his team's 1-2 and the reason they lost the game. It almost looked like he didn't even care. It was so frustrating, and maybe I was just mad because the game was so ugly. If that's me, I'm running for the locker room. I am not smiling, I am not talking to anybody for a week if you play like that.

I just don't get his disposition, but that was really frustrating. Icing on the cake."

https://www.thesfniners.com/49ers-legend-brent-jones-rips-into-jimmy-garoppolo-following-disastrous-performance

Ouch.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I'm sorry, I'm meant, "Golden." LOL

You guys are aware there is more to life than Jimmy Garoppolo, right?

Yah theres pretending 3.14 seconds isn't enough time to throw a pass.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Yes. Because Rodgers has vision, and consequently would have thrown it to one of these guys off his back foot, or at least thrown it to their feet:


Also, it should be noted that Garoppolo isn't the only player who messed up here. Several blockers got DESTROYED on this play. Nevertheless, a QB of or near Rodgers' quality would have thrown this pass to one of these guys, or at least at their feet.

Throw it at their feet sure. But complete it to Juice or Woerner there? Lob a floater to them? No way.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Brent Jones:

"That fumble he was pulling away from the center too early, the pick into double maybe triple coverage was just nasty, but I gotta say, and I don't think I've ever said this before, after you played horrible and you're the reason your team lost the game, you do not smile and go glad handing the other team after the game. I've never seen that from any quarterback ever, that has ever been any good.

"Steve Young? No way. Joe Montana? Hell no. Brett Favre? No chance in heck. You think Russell Wilson is laughing after he throws a pick, steps out of the end zone for a safety and fumbles a ball and plays horrible and his team's 1-2 and the reason they lost the game. It almost looked like he didn't even care. It was so frustrating, and maybe I was just mad because the game was so ugly. If that's me, I'm running for the locker room. I am not smiling, I am not talking to anybody for a week if you play like that.

I just don't get his disposition, but that was really frustrating. Icing on the cake."

https://www.thesfniners.com/49ers-legend-brent-jones-rips-into-jimmy-garoppolo-following-disastrous-performance

Ouch.

Yes I mean u see that still shot and it only adds to what I and a few others here have been saying for awhile. He's pretty indifferent and removed.

We're up or we're winning? Then he's "PUMPED" and the team "LOVES HIM" like others here say.

We love our pets too but when danger comes, most of them are known to go duck and cover. As of this moment I dont see a guy that's looking for 1 more major contract before he retires. I think he's literally depending solely on Shanahan to put him in that position.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
It's only a bad call if your QB can't execute the play. This wouldn't be a bad call with Aaron Rodgers. But it is with Jimmy G. In fact it's a terrible call with him, because he is prone to make astounding mistakes from time to time, especially when under pressure.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by dj43:
Jimmy Garoppolo isn't the only QB wanting to have more freedom in the way he plays. Patrick Mahomes was shown on the sideline in a full-blown verbal war with OC Eric Bienimi over conservative play-calling. It became so heated Andy Reid had to drag them into the locker room and out of the public eye.

Conservative play calls have not been a criticism of Reid in the past but this season seems different. KC media is picking up on it and asking questions.

https://arrowheadaddict.com/2022/09/28/kc-chiefs-unleash-patrick-mahomes-aggressive/?utm_campaign=FanSided+Daily&utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email

I know you're not saying that Jimmy and Patrick are the same. But I think it really matters you put them in context with their ability to play. Jimmy missed a lot of throws last week that Mahomes simply would have made.

Kyle's had his issues playcalling this year no doubt about it. That doesn't mean he's even close to the main reason for Jimmy's struggles.

My point was, play-callers go through downturns the same as players. It happens to the best of them. Kyle is clearly on a downturn this season. Many have speculated the loss of McDaniel is to blame, however, that does not excuse some of the truly bad calls and sequencing of plays that have plagued the offense this season. After all, Kyle was supposed to be the guru, not McDaniel.

play calling can not do anything for the offense if the offense can't execute. Don't execute and don't get momentum.. which gives us games like last two sundays

That was not my point at all. Even the best offenses struggle...and lose when the play-calling limits the potential.

its very rare when a play call is executed perfectly and still fail i smy point. You are trying make it play calling when PC wasn't the issue. not executing is the issue

My point was that play-calling is PART of the issue. Poor execution is another part. The fact that the playbook has some new wrinkles in it that the QB is not familiar with is another. Four new players in the OL from last season is yet another part.

As David Lombardi noted in The Athletic this morning:
"Both Garoppolo and Shanahan made numerous negative contributions to the loss at Denver.

Garoppolo missed several open receivers before forcing a pass to heavily covered receiver Deebo Samuel that turned into an interception. Shanahan acknowledged making bad play calls before that pick and the safety, on which Garoppolo stepped out of the back of the end zone. Shanahan had called for play-action on a long dropback, a highly unusual decision given that the 49ers were pinned at their own 1-yard line."

Lombardi's conclusion was: Ensure QB-play caller cohesion

In KC, you cannot blame poor execution on the QB but the issue of questionable play-calling has become a thing in the past two games. In this last game, they punted 3 of the first four possessions. Only gained 49 yards rushing against a banged-up Indy D. Mahomes threw for 262 but his complaint was that Bienimi took the ball out of his hands on several occasions. Reid's presser sought to cool things down but clearly, things have not been well in KC the past two games.

Don't bother with All. He can literally, only 👀 one thing on the 49ers. One.

It's only a bad call if your QB can't execute the play. This wouldn't be a bad call with Aaron Rodgers. But it is with Jimmy G. In fact it's a terrible call with him, because he is prone to make astounding mistakes from time to time, especially when under pressure.

I'm sorry, I'm meant, "Golden." LOL

You guys are aware there is more to life than Jimmy Garoppolo, right?

Brent Jones:

"I am laying the blame, I don't do this very often, in fact I don't do it hardly at all. Jimmy Garoppolo was horrible. What the heck? When you're a professional football player and quarterback, you know where the back of the end zone is. That was so outrageous. You know how many times I've seen that from a veteran quarterback. 0.0 from a veteran quarterback, it's just the worst.

"While I was yelling ' what are you thinking?' He's throwing a pick-six so I'm rooting for safety. You know since we got Jimmy, I've been pretty supportive of Jimmy, and I've tried to say so along the way. And he's not perfect, he does one or two goofy things every game and we talked about this, even when Trey was the starter. I said 'just remember, the world isn't totally rosy with Jimmy in there.'

"That fumble he was pulling away from the center too early, the pick into double maybe triple coverage was just nasty, but I gotta say, and I don't think I've ever said this before, after you played horrible and you're the reason your team lost the game, you do not smile and go glad handing the other team after the game. I've never seen that from any quarterback ever, that has ever been any good.

"Steve Young? No way. Joe Montana? Hell no. Brett Favre? No chance in heck. You think Russell Wilson is laughing after he throws a pick, steps out of the end zone for a safety and fumbles a ball and plays horrible and his team's 1-2 and the reason they lost the game. It almost looked like he didn't even care. It was so frustrating, and maybe I was just mad because the game was so ugly. If that's me, I'm running for the locker room. I am not smiling, I am not talking to anybody for a week if you play like that.

I just don't get his disposition, but that was really frustrating. Icing on the cake.

…

"I want to see Jimmy grabbing a couple receivers and talking to them, I want to see him patting his linemen on the shoulder and saying 'I need some time'…I want him talking to a coach. I always just see him sitting there posing and nobody is taking GQ pics on the sideline. I want to see some emotion, I want to see some quarterbacking, but they always just show him sitting there looking stoic, posing. I wanna see some messed up hair, how about that?

"I want my quarterback all in. I'm not saying he's not, but it sure comes across like 'ya, know, oh well, too bad, I had to take a pay cut this year. It's not on me, I'm just here having fun. High five. Yeah we got smoked.'

Do you know we've played three crappy teams? These teams are pretty crappy. They'll all finish under .500 and we're 1-2, and we're out laughing after the game. C'mon. How come I'm more mad than Jimmy?"

https://www.thesfniners.com/49ers-legend-brent-jones-rips-into-jimmy-garoppolo-following-disastrous-performance

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I'm sorry, I'm meant, "Golden." LOL

You guys are aware there is more to life than Jimmy Garoppolo, right?

Yah theres pretending 3.14 seconds isn't enough time to throw a pass.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I'm sorry, I'm meant, "Golden." LOL

You guys are aware there is more to life than Jimmy Garoppolo, right?

Yah theres pretending 3.14 seconds isn't enough time to throw a pass.

notice how NC can only talk about posters, but not provide any type of counter in all the clips and vids in the current pages.. lol

its ok NC, i know why its difficult for you