Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Is it really something that Kyle Shanahan is doing or is it a coincidence?

2018 - yes
2020 - no
2022 - yes

Interesting. 3 times was initiated by poor pass protection. Immediately flushing Garoppolo out on the run but it was him who buried himself at the end. Tomlinson twice got Garoppolo's ankle crushed in the pocket <2.5s. And 2022 was more scheme/philosophy.

Now, if you want to say this is on Kyle because he rolls with OL who are far weaker in PP over RB and scheme choice, I could see that argument but most to me starts with PP, philosophy and QB decision.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
When they signed Jimmy to be the backup, all his supporters were saying it was a smart move to have a guy that knows the system. Now he has a terrible game and we hear he's rusty because he didn't get to practice with the team. Always an excuse for Jimmy.

It's just the truth man. He's still got a 98.5 career rating. That's solid stuff. It's his preseason now.

KS just needed to get TL through maybe week 4.. and JG would have had more time to ramp up the throwing in prax build up the arm. Coach couldn't do it. Was it too much to ask? Just don't get the starter hurt in the 5th qtr of the season?

Days before the Broncos game some of us were speculating that maybe Jimmys surgery would make his throwing arm stronger and give him more velocity with his throws.

Some dude, forgot his name, quickly started clowning on us and practically guaranteed Jimmy was going to implode against the Broncos. Lo and behold he was right lulz.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Is it really something that Kyle Shanahan is doing or is it a coincidence?

2018 - yes
2020 - no
2022 - yes

Interesting. 3 times was initiated by poor pass protection. Immediately flushing Garoppolo out on the run but it was him who buried himself at the end. Tomlinson twice got Garoppolo's ankle crushed in the pocket <2.5s. And 2022 was more scheme/philosophy.

Now, if you want to say this is on Kyle because he rolls with OL who are far weaker in PP over RB and scheme choice, I could see that argument but most to me starts with PP, philosophy and QB decision.

You don't think that other QB's around the league deal with pass pro breaking down? Imo, it is ultimately up to the QB to protect himself. I have watched Tom Brady and Peyton Manning just go down in the fedal position and eat the sack on numerous occassions. Should Jimmy have been attempting to shake a defender on the sideline in 2018 vs the chiefs?

Also, Jimmy has a tendency to not step up into the pocket when pressure is coming from the edges even though the middle is clean and their is a clear throwing lane.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Is it really something that Kyle Shanahan is doing or is it a coincidence?

2018 - yes
2020 - no
2022 - yes

Interesting. 3 times was initiated by poor pass protection. Immediately flushing Garoppolo out on the run but it was him who buried himself at the end. Tomlinson twice got Garoppolo's ankle crushed in the pocket <2.5s. And 2022 was more scheme/philosophy.

Now, if you want to say this is on Kyle because he rolls with OL who are far weaker in PP over RB and scheme choice, I could see that argument but most to me starts with PP, philosophy and QB decision.

You don't think that other QB's around the league deal with pass pro breaking down? Imo, it is ultimately up to the QB to protect himself. I have watched Tom Brady and Peyton Manning just go down in the fedal position and eat the sack on numerous occassions. Should Jimmy have been attempting to shake a defender on the sideline in 2018 vs the chiefs?

His decision making has always been iffy. This coupled with bad mechanics is a bad combination.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Is it really something that Kyle Shanahan is doing or is it a coincidence?

2018 - yes
2020 - no
2022 - yes

Interesting. 3 times was initiated by poor pass protection. Immediately flushing Garoppolo out on the run but it was him who buried himself at the end. Tomlinson twice got Garoppolo's ankle crushed in the pocket <2.5s. And 2022 was more scheme/philosophy.

Now, if you want to say this is on Kyle because he rolls with OL who are far weaker in PP over RB and scheme choice, I could see that argument but most to me starts with PP, philosophy and QB decision.

You don't think that other QB's around the league deal with pass pro breaking down? Imo, it is ultimately up to the QB to protect himself. I have watched Tom Brady and Peyton Manning just go down in the fedal position and eat the sack on numerous occassions. Should Jimmy have been attempting to shake a defender on the sideline in 2018 vs the chiefs?

Of course. That's why I noted all 3: QB, scheme and PP looking at the impetus.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Also, Jimmy has a tendency to not step up into the pocket when pressure is coming from the edges even though the middle is clean and their is a clear throwing lane.

For sure. But his two ankle injuries were from the A gap immediately. Not many QB's are escaping those.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Also, Jimmy has a tendency to not step up into the pocket when pressure is coming from the edges even though the middle is clean and their is a clear throwing lane.

For sure. But his two ankle injuries were from the A gap immediately. Not many QB's are escaping those.

What does that have to do with him not climbing the pocket to earn himself a little more time? He's traumatized? When he opts to escape left/right out of the pocket, I wonder to myself if he thinks he's faster than he actually is.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Also, Jimmy has a tendency to not step up into the pocket when pressure is coming from the edges even though the middle is clean and their is a clear throwing lane.

For sure. But his two ankle injuries were from the A gap immediately. Not many QB's are escaping those.

What does that have to do with him not climbing the pocket to earn himself a little more time? He's traumatized? When he opts to escape left/right out of the pocket, I wonder to myself if he thinks he's faster than he actually is.

Jimmy has had some of the best pockets i've seen this year compared to other years, just to see him squander it with bad reads, throws and running out of the pocket for no reason

Originally posted by Polkadots:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
2018 - yes
2020 - no
2022 - yes

2018 is Kyle's fault? Lol.

Polka, imo YES

Realize we signed JG in Feb 2018 to a then record $137,000,000.

When you have a QB signed to that amount, you put somewhere in the contract that you can take dumbass hits. KC players blamed JG postgame. He had the boundary. It was avoidable contact. As soon as you sign him to that deal you spend at least some time coaching up throwing away, sliding, and sure its football there will be hits but dumb unnecessary ones... you cannot have those. It was 100% preventable. I'm guessing KS never drilled any self preservation into JG. And if he did, he didn't do it well enough, it didn't stick.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Polkadots:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
2018 - yes
2020 - no
2022 - yes

2018 is Kyle's fault? Lol.

Polka, imo YES

Realize we signed JG in Feb 2018 to a then record $137,000,000.

When you have a QB signed to that amount, you put somewhere in the contract that you can take dumbass hits. KC players blamed JG postgame. He had the boundary. It was avoidable contact. As soon as you sign him to that deal you spend at least some time coaching up throwing away, sliding, and sure its football there will be hits but dumb unnecessary ones... you cannot have those. It was 100% preventable. I'm guessing KS never drilled any self preservation into JG. And if he did, he didn't do it well enough, it didn't stick.

They tried but he ghosted them soon after signing the contract.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Polkadots:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
2018 - yes
2020 - no
2022 - yes

2018 is Kyle's fault? Lol.

Polka, imo YES

Realize we signed JG in Feb 2018 to a then record $137,000,000.

When you have a QB signed to that amount, you put somewhere in the contract that you can take dumbass hits. KC players blamed JG postgame. He had the boundary. It was avoidable contact. As soon as you sign him to that deal you spend at least some time coaching up throwing away, sliding, and sure its football there will be hits but dumb unnecessary ones... you cannot have those. It was 100% preventable. I'm guessing KS never drilled any self preservation into JG. And if he did, he didn't do it well enough, it didn't stick.

They tried but he ghosted them soon after signing the contract.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Also, Jimmy has a tendency to not step up into the pocket when pressure is coming from the edges even though the middle is clean and their is a clear throwing lane.

For sure. But his two ankle injuries were from the A gap immediately. Not many QB's are escaping those.

What does that have to do with him not climbing the pocket to earn himself a little more time? He's traumatized? When he opts to escape left/right out of the pocket, I wonder to myself if he thinks he's faster than he actually is.

This is something I've noticed about him over the years. Definitely overestimates his own escapability.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Polkadots:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
2018 - yes
2020 - no
2022 - yes

2018 is Kyle's fault? Lol.

Polka, imo YES

Realize we signed JG in Feb 2018 to a then record $137,000,000.

When you have a QB signed to that amount, you put somewhere in the contract that you can take dumbass hits. KC players blamed JG postgame. He had the boundary. It was avoidable contact. As soon as you sign him to that deal you spend at least some time coaching up throwing away, sliding, and sure its football there will be hits but dumb unnecessary ones... you cannot have those. It was 100% preventable. I'm guessing KS never drilled any self preservation into JG. And if he did, he didn't do it well enough, it didn't stick.

They tried but he ghosted them soon after signing the contract.

stop blaming others for jimmys mistakes

Originally posted by joeknows:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Also, Jimmy has a tendency to not step up into the pocket when pressure is coming from the edges even though the middle is clean and their is a clear throwing lane.

For sure. But his two ankle injuries were from the A gap immediately. Not many QB's are escaping those.

What does that have to do with him not climbing the pocket to earn himself a little more time? He's traumatized? When he opts to escape left/right out of the pocket, I wonder to myself if he thinks he's faster than he actually is.

This is something I've noticed about him over the years. Definitely overestimates his own escapability.

He has no clue what to do when the play is off schedule. It has not improved in 6 years. When JG starts ad libbing close your eyes and pray. You think this would be a coaching point..