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Sep 29, 2022 at 11:46 AM
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
The JG resume:

98.5 rating
33-15 record
1 feels great baby
1 eff the packers
1 this is our house baby at DAL
$150+ million
Creator of JG Benissimo sub sammy feat. peppercorn ranch
Face of multiple franchises (49ers / Subway)
1 time Fedex Air player of the week (nominee)

it is what it is


Here come the cherry pickers

As if the 33-15 stat isn't cherry picked. You know damn well the team won despite Jimmy in many of those games. If you want people here to take you seriously, you should come with a football argument stronger than Jimmy being in Subway commercials.

33-15 is the whole record. It is not cherry picked. Cherry picking is pointing to a part of the whole, as opposed to the entire thing. You may say the whole record is BS.. but it's def not cherry picked.

People are cherry picking the definition of cherry picking to cherry pick their stance and make it seem like others are cherry picking.

Facts are facts. Cant argue with a win loss ratio. 1st half Jimmy is a probowler (usually) second half Jimmy is a perennial backup.
Sep 29, 2022 at 11:49 AM
Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
The JG resume:

98.5 rating
33-15 record
1 feels great baby
1 eff the packers
1 this is our house baby at DAL
$150+ million
Creator of JG Benissimo sub sammy feat. peppercorn ranch
Face of multiple franchises (49ers / Subway)
1 time Fedex Air player of the week (nominee)

it is what it is


Here come the cherry pickers

As if the 33-15 stat isn't cherry picked. You know damn well the team won despite Jimmy in many of those games. If you want people here to take you seriously, you should come with a football argument stronger than Jimmy being in Subway commercials.

33-15 is the whole record. It is not cherry picked. Cherry picking is pointing to a part of the whole, as opposed to the entire thing. You may say the whole record is BS.. but it's def not cherry picked.

Wins/Losses becomes a cherry picked stat when applying it blanketly to a single player without the full context of how that player performed in those wins and losses. If the defense managed to keep Denver from scoring their go ahead TD last Sunday, the win wouldn't have changed the fact that Jimmy played like crap.

Never liked using wins and losses to determine a QBs worth to a team. I'm pretty sure Kittle has a higher win percentage when he plays than Jimmy. Does that mean we can conclude Kittle is more important than our starting QB? Idk.

People always forget that Kittle missed a lot of games at the same exact time as Jimmy. Then you add in the poor play of Beathard and Mullens and you know why we lose during those games.
Sep 29, 2022 at 11:50 AM
Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
The JG resume:

98.5 rating
33-15 record
1 feels great baby
1 eff the packers
1 this is our house baby at DAL
$150+ million
Creator of JG Benissimo sub sammy feat. peppercorn ranch
Face of multiple franchises (49ers / Subway)
1 time Fedex Air player of the week (nominee)

it is what it is


Here come the cherry pickers

As if the 33-15 stat isn't cherry picked. You know damn well the team won despite Jimmy in many of those games. If you want people here to take you seriously, you should come with a football argument stronger than Jimmy being in Subway commercials.

33-15 is the whole record. It is not cherry picked. Cherry picking is pointing to a part of the whole, as opposed to the entire thing. You may say the whole record is BS.. but it's def not cherry picked.

Wins/Losses becomes a cherry picked stat when applying it blanketly to a single player without the full context of how that player performed in those wins and losses. If the defense managed to keep Denver from scoring their go ahead TD last Sunday, the win wouldn't have changed the fact that Jimmy played like crap.

I don't think you understand what that term means
Also I gave the rating which is the player performance part it's pretty good on the whole
[ Edited by 49erFaithful6 on Sep 29, 2022 at 11:51 AM ]
Sep 29, 2022 at 11:50 AM
Originally posted by TheRickestRick:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
The JG resume:

98.5 rating
33-15 record
1 feels great baby
1 eff the packers
1 this is our house baby at DAL
$150+ million
Creator of JG Benissimo sub sammy feat. peppercorn ranch
Face of multiple franchises (49ers / Subway)
1 time Fedex Air player of the week (nominee)

it is what it is


Here come the cherry pickers

As if the 33-15 stat isn't cherry picked. You know damn well the team won despite Jimmy in many of those games. If you want people here to take you seriously, you should come with a football argument stronger than Jimmy being in Subway commercials.

33-15 is the whole record. It is not cherry picked. Cherry picking is pointing to a part of the whole, as opposed to the entire thing. You may say the whole record is BS.. but it's def not cherry picked.

People are cherry picking the definition of cherry picking to cherry pick their stance and make it seem like others are cherry picking.

Facts are facts. Cant argue with a win loss ratio. 1st half Jimmy is a probowler (usually) second half Jimmy is a perennial backup.

Sep 29, 2022 at 11:56 AM
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
The JG resume:

98.5 rating
33-15 record
1 feels great baby
1 eff the packers
1 this is our house baby at DAL
$150+ million
Creator of JG Benissimo sub sammy feat. peppercorn ranch
Face of multiple franchises (49ers / Subway)
1 time Fedex Air player of the week (nominee)

it is what it is


Here come the cherry pickers

As if the 33-15 stat isn't cherry picked. You know damn well the team won despite Jimmy in many of those games. If you want people here to take you seriously, you should come with a football argument stronger than Jimmy being in Subway commercials.

33-15 is the whole record. It is not cherry picked. Cherry picking is pointing to a part of the whole, as opposed to the entire thing. You may say the whole record is BS.. but it's def not cherry picked.

Wins/Losses becomes a cherry picked stat when applying it blanketly to a single player without the full context of how that player performed in those wins and losses. If the defense managed to keep Denver from scoring their go ahead TD last Sunday, the win wouldn't have changed the fact that Jimmy played like crap.

I don't think you understand what that term means
Also I gave the rating which is the player performance part it's pretty good on the whole

From this site

"Cherry picking is a logical fallacy that occurs when someone focuses only on evidence that supports their stance, while ignoring evidence that contradicts it"

You are doing exactly that. Using a W/L ratio as one of the only pieces of evidence that Jimmy is anything more than a low end starter/high end backup in this league.

I can also take a single stat and make Nick Mullens look like a franchise QB
[ Edited by Young2Owens on Sep 29, 2022 at 12:01 PM ]
Sep 29, 2022 at 11:59 AM
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
The JG resume:

98.5 rating
33-15 record
1 feels great baby
1 eff the packers
1 this is our house baby at DAL
$150+ million
Creator of JG Benissimo sub sammy feat. peppercorn ranch
Face of multiple franchises (49ers / Subway)
1 time Fedex Air player of the week (nominee)

it is what it is


Here come the cherry pickers

As if the 33-15 stat isn't cherry picked. You know damn well the team won despite Jimmy in many of those games. If you want people here to take you seriously, you should come with a football argument stronger than Jimmy being in Subway commercials.

33-15 is the whole record. It is not cherry picked. Cherry picking is pointing to a part of the whole, as opposed to the entire thing. You may say the whole record is BS.. but it's def not cherry picked.

Wins/Losses becomes a cherry picked stat when applying it blanketly to a single player without the full context of how that player performed in those wins and losses. If the defense managed to keep Denver from scoring their go ahead TD last Sunday, the win wouldn't have changed the fact that Jimmy played like crap.

Never liked using wins and losses to determine a QBs worth to a team. I'm pretty sure Kittle has a higher win percentage when he plays than Jimmy. Does that mean we can conclude Kittle is more important than our starting QB? Idk.

People always forget that Kittle missed a lot of games at the same exact time as Jimmy. Then you add in the poor play of Beathard and Mullens and you know why we lose during those games.

Bosa's presence has been a pretty big factor in the W/L category.
Sep 29, 2022 at 12:11 PM
Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
The JG resume:

98.5 rating
33-15 record
1 feels great baby
1 eff the packers
1 this is our house baby at DAL
$150+ million
Creator of JG Benissimo sub sammy feat. peppercorn ranch
Face of multiple franchises (49ers / Subway)
1 time Fedex Air player of the week (nominee)

it is what it is


Here come the cherry pickers

As if the 33-15 stat isn't cherry picked. You know damn well the team won despite Jimmy in many of those games. If you want people here to take you seriously, you should come with a football argument stronger than Jimmy being in Subway commercials.

33-15 is the whole record. It is not cherry picked. Cherry picking is pointing to a part of the whole, as opposed to the entire thing. You may say the whole record is BS.. but it's def not cherry picked.

Wins/Losses becomes a cherry picked stat when applying it blanketly to a single player without the full context of how that player performed in those wins and losses. If the defense managed to keep Denver from scoring their go ahead TD last Sunday, the win wouldn't have changed the fact that Jimmy played like crap.

I don't think you understand what that term means
Also I gave the rating which is the player performance part it's pretty good on the whole

From this site

"Cherry picking is a logical fallacy that occurs when someone focuses only on evidence that supports their stance, while ignoring evidence that contradicts it"

You are doing exactly that. Using a W/L ratio as one of the only pieces of evidence that Jimmy is anything more than a low end starter/high end backup in this league.

I can also take a single stat and make Nick Mullens look like a franchise QB

Just curious, whats the win loss ratio when Jimmy "I play for the other team in the 4th quarter" G isnt starting?

Or is that a logical fallacy too? Cause your logic right now holds no weight when this team cant win consistently with him not in there. And trust I think Lance would of won that denver game cause his brain can process situations better than JG.

But you are saying the team would do the same with JG not in there and "cherry picking" a W/L record means any QB could do it cause it was never due to JG anyways... welp there is another W/L record without JG... or is that another cherry pick cause of some other circumstance?

Edit: BTW I am not on the JG train, he kills the team in the fourth quarter. Just spouting the facts of this team... not "cherry picking"
[ Edited by TheRickestRick on Sep 29, 2022 at 12:14 PM ]
Sep 29, 2022 at 12:15 PM
It will be interesting to witness how Jimmy G. rebounds from the Denver game. I think we have all witnessed this guy play two putrid games in a row, so I'm not predicting any kind of a rebound.

Yet, at the same time, we've also witnessed the brilliant performances that come out of this guy when they are least expected.
Sep 29, 2022 at 12:18 PM
Originally posted by billbird2111:
It will be interesting to witness how Jimmy G. rebounds from the Denver game. I think we have all witnessed this guy play two putrid games in a row, so I'm not predicting any kind of a rebound.

Yet, at the same time, we've also witnessed the brilliant performances that come out of this guy when they are least expected.

It's the full Jimmy Garoppolo Experience.
Sep 29, 2022 at 12:18 PM
Originally posted by billbird2111:
It will be interesting to witness how Jimmy G. rebounds from the Denver game. I think we have all witnessed this guy play two putrid games in a row, so I'm not predicting any kind of a rebound.

Yet, at the same time, we've also witnessed the brilliant performances that come out of this guy when they are least expected.

Ppl clown all over him like he's Kyle freakin Williams. He's got a 98.5 career rating which is darn good. And yes that includes the DEN game and all his career INTs. They are all factored in that rating.

I would mention the record here but I will try and stop doing that since it triggers ppl. Or at least I can do a warning before the record is dropped.
Sep 29, 2022 at 12:20 PM
Originally posted by TheRickestRick:
Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
The JG resume:

98.5 rating
33-15 record
1 feels great baby
1 eff the packers
1 this is our house baby at DAL
$150+ million
Creator of JG Benissimo sub sammy feat. peppercorn ranch
Face of multiple franchises (49ers / Subway)
1 time Fedex Air player of the week (nominee)

it is what it is


Here come the cherry pickers

As if the 33-15 stat isn't cherry picked. You know damn well the team won despite Jimmy in many of those games. If you want people here to take you seriously, you should come with a football argument stronger than Jimmy being in Subway commercials.

33-15 is the whole record. It is not cherry picked. Cherry picking is pointing to a part of the whole, as opposed to the entire thing. You may say the whole record is BS.. but it's def not cherry picked.

Wins/Losses becomes a cherry picked stat when applying it blanketly to a single player without the full context of how that player performed in those wins and losses. If the defense managed to keep Denver from scoring their go ahead TD last Sunday, the win wouldn't have changed the fact that Jimmy played like crap.

I don't think you understand what that term means
Also I gave the rating which is the player performance part it's pretty good on the whole

From this site

"Cherry picking is a logical fallacy that occurs when someone focuses only on evidence that supports their stance, while ignoring evidence that contradicts it"

You are doing exactly that. Using a W/L ratio as one of the only pieces of evidence that Jimmy is anything more than a low end starter/high end backup in this league.

I can also take a single stat and make Nick Mullens look like a franchise QB

Just curious, whats the win loss ratio when Jimmy "I play for the other team in the 4th quarter" G isnt starting?

Or is that a logical fallacy too? Cause your logic right now holds no weight when this team cant win consistently with him not in there. And trust I think Lance would of won that denver game cause his brain can process situations better than JG.

But you are saying the team would do the same with JG not in there and "cherry picking" a W/L record means any QB could do it cause it was never due to JG anyways... welp there is another W/L record without JG... or is that another cherry pick cause of some other circumstance?

Edit: BTW I am not on the JG train, he kills the team in the fourth quarter. Just spouting the facts of this team... not "cherry picking"

Nowhere did I say the team would win with just anyone in there. I was just pointing out the fallacy of relying almost exclusively on the W/L stat to prove the Jimmy is anything more than what he is. There are a plethora of quantitative and qualitative things that need to be considered when evaluating any player. Just saying "this guy just wins" holds little water. Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl and Dan Marino didn't. Would you take Dilfer over Marino?
Sep 29, 2022 at 12:22 PM
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by billbird2111:
It will be interesting to witness how Jimmy G. rebounds from the Denver game. I think we have all witnessed this guy play two putrid games in a row, so I'm not predicting any kind of a rebound.

Yet, at the same time, we've also witnessed the brilliant performances that come out of this guy when they are least expected.

It's the full Jimmy Garoppolo Experience.

That's why I don't waste the limited $$$ I have by placing any sort of bets on the guy. I just know that when he plays well, the 49ers win. If he doesn't, the 49ers struggle. You can just never tell which Jimmy is going to show up. Which is maddening. But, it is what it is.
Sep 29, 2022 at 12:24 PM
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Ppl clown all over him like he's Kyle freakin Williams. He's got a 98.5 career rating which is darn good. And yes that includes the DEN game and all his career INTs. They are all factored in that rating.

I would mention the record here but I will try and stop doing that since it triggers ppl. Or at least I can do a warning before the record is dropped.

Just don't take much from a stat that has both him and Kirk Cousins rated above Joe Montana.

Could just be me though
Sep 29, 2022 at 12:31 PM
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Ppl clown all over him like he's Kyle freakin Williams. He's got a 98.5 career rating which is darn good. And yes that includes the DEN game and all his career INTs. They are all factored in that rating.

I would mention the record here but I will try and stop doing that since it triggers ppl. Or at least I can do a warning before the record is dropped.

Just don't take much from a stat that has both him and Kirk Cousins rated above Joe Montana.

Could just be me though

Point taken.. I think it is questionable to look at rating over time. One era to another.

Compare vs peers.

JG was the 9th rated passer last season.
Sep 29, 2022 at 12:35 PM
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Point taken.. I think it is questionable to look at rating over time. One era to another.

Compare vs peers.

JG was the 9th rated passer last season.

Id prefer something that conglomerates everything like this

https://vikingsterritory.com/2022/general-news/the-nfls-top-qbs-in-2021-per-pff-qbr-passer-rating-formula

That looks about right to me from last year
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