Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by billbird2111:
It will be interesting to witness how Jimmy G. rebounds from the Denver game. I think we have all witnessed this guy play two putrid games in a row, so I'm not predicting any kind of a rebound.

Yet, at the same time, we've also witnessed the brilliant performances that come out of this guy when they are least expected.

It's the full Jimmy Garoppolo Experience.

That's why I don't waste the limited $$$ I have by placing any sort of bets on the guy. I just know that when he plays well, the 49ers win. If he doesn't, the 49ers struggle. You can just never tell which Jimmy is going to show up. Which is maddening. But, it is what it is.

I don't blame you one bit!

Jimmy G gives the 49ers the best chance to win and it has been like that since we traded for him in 2017. You guys can't say it's all Jimmy that he disappears in the 2nd half. I'd argue that its more Kyle and his lack of 2nd half adjustments when leading (see Atlanta, Washington, Houston, and of course his 5 years here). I am all for Trey being the guy just based off what I have seen from him and his ability but I hope Kyle can let both Jimmy, now, and Trey in the future let loose and play their game.

Originally posted by Young2Owens:

Originally posted by TheRickestRick:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
The JG resume:

98.5 rating
33-15 record
1 feels great baby
1 eff the packers
1 this is our house baby at DAL
$150+ million
Creator of JG Benissimo sub sammy feat. peppercorn ranch
Face of multiple franchises (49ers / Subway)
1 time Fedex Air player of the week (nominee)

it is what it is

After starting 19-5, #49ers are 12-10 since 2020 with Garoppolo starting. Jimmy's thrown 18 INTs & lost 4 fumbles in those 22 games.

In 46 regular season starts as SF's starter, Garoppolo's thrown 39 INTs & lost 9 fumbles (48 total turnovers). 49 if you count the safety.

— Al Sacco (@AlSacco49) September 26, 2022

Here come the cherry pickers

As if the 33-15 stat isn't cherry picked. You know damn well the team won despite Jimmy in many of those games. If you want people here to take you seriously, you should come with a football argument stronger than Jimmy being in Subway commercials.

33-15 is the whole record. It is not cherry picked. Cherry picking is pointing to a part of the whole, as opposed to the entire thing. You may say the whole record is BS.. but it's def not cherry picked.

Wins/Losses becomes a cherry picked stat when applying it blanketly to a single player without the full context of how that player performed in those wins and losses. If the defense managed to keep Denver from scoring their go ahead TD last Sunday, the win wouldn't have changed the fact that Jimmy played like crap.

I don't think you understand what that term means
Also I gave the rating which is the player performance part it's pretty good on the whole

From this site

"Cherry picking is a logical fallacy that occurs when someone focuses only on evidence that supports their stance, while ignoring evidence that contradicts it"

You are doing exactly that. Using a W/L ratio as one of the only pieces of evidence that Jimmy is anything more than a low end starter/high end backup in this league.

I can also take a single stat and make Nick Mullens look like a franchise QB

Just curious, whats the win loss ratio when Jimmy "I play for the other team in the 4th quarter" G isnt starting?

Or is that a logical fallacy too? Cause your logic right now holds no weight when this team cant win consistently with him not in there. And trust I think Lance would of won that denver game cause his brain can process situations better than JG.

But you are saying the team would do the same with JG not in there and "cherry picking" a W/L record means any QB could do it cause it was never due to JG anyways... welp there is another W/L record without JG... or is that another cherry pick cause of some other circumstance?

Edit: BTW I am not on the JG train, he kills the team in the fourth quarter. Just spouting the facts of this team... not "cherry picking"

Nowhere did I say the team would win with just anyone in there. I was just pointing out the fallacy of relying almost exclusively on the W/L stat to prove the Jimmy is anything more than what he is. There are a plethora of quantitative and qualitative things that need to be considered when evaluating any player. Just saying "this guy just wins" holds little water. Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl and Dan Marino didn't. Would you take Dilfer over Marino?

Yeah but now who is cherry picking?

Saying something is cherry picking within the context of the same team, not one of the greatest defenses vs the greatest QB to never win a SB, holds little water to. This team wins more with JG than anyone else who has started within the KS era. It's not cherry picking to say that. Again JG plays great for the first half and then multiple times this team has bailed him out in the 2nd half. But he still threw the passes, led the drives, was a part of scoring those points to overcome his suckyness for that record to happen. So his W/L record isnt really cherry picking. That's the only point I was trying to make. He had a part in the wins just like he has a part in the losses.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Point taken.. I think it is questionable to look at rating over time. One era to another.

Compare vs peers.

JG was the 9th rated passer last season.

Id prefer something that conglomerates everything like this

https://vikingsterritory.com/2022/general-news/the-nfls-top-qbs-in-2021-per-pff-qbr-passer-rating-formula

That looks about right to me from last year

Agreed… I think Jimmy is a top 15 QB…. Or was. QBs are getting better and better man.

Originally posted by TheRickestRick:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:

Originally posted by TheRickestRick:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
The JG resume:

98.5 rating
33-15 record
1 feels great baby
1 eff the packers
1 this is our house baby at DAL
$150+ million
Creator of JG Benissimo sub sammy feat. peppercorn ranch
Face of multiple franchises (49ers / Subway)
1 time Fedex Air player of the week (nominee)

it is what it is

After starting 19-5, #49ers are 12-10 since 2020 with Garoppolo starting. Jimmy's thrown 18 INTs & lost 4 fumbles in those 22 games.

In 46 regular season starts as SF's starter, Garoppolo's thrown 39 INTs & lost 9 fumbles (48 total turnovers). 49 if you count the safety.

— Al Sacco (@AlSacco49) September 26, 2022

Here come the cherry pickers

As if the 33-15 stat isn't cherry picked. You know damn well the team won despite Jimmy in many of those games. If you want people here to take you seriously, you should come with a football argument stronger than Jimmy being in Subway commercials.

33-15 is the whole record. It is not cherry picked. Cherry picking is pointing to a part of the whole, as opposed to the entire thing. You may say the whole record is BS.. but it's def not cherry picked.

Wins/Losses becomes a cherry picked stat when applying it blanketly to a single player without the full context of how that player performed in those wins and losses. If the defense managed to keep Denver from scoring their go ahead TD last Sunday, the win wouldn't have changed the fact that Jimmy played like crap.

I don't think you understand what that term means
Also I gave the rating which is the player performance part it's pretty good on the whole

From this site

"Cherry picking is a logical fallacy that occurs when someone focuses only on evidence that supports their stance, while ignoring evidence that contradicts it"

You are doing exactly that. Using a W/L ratio as one of the only pieces of evidence that Jimmy is anything more than a low end starter/high end backup in this league.

I can also take a single stat and make Nick Mullens look like a franchise QB

Just curious, whats the win loss ratio when Jimmy "I play for the other team in the 4th quarter" G isnt starting?

Or is that a logical fallacy too? Cause your logic right now holds no weight when this team cant win consistently with him not in there. And trust I think Lance would of won that denver game cause his brain can process situations better than JG.

But you are saying the team would do the same with JG not in there and "cherry picking" a W/L record means any QB could do it cause it was never due to JG anyways... welp there is another W/L record without JG... or is that another cherry pick cause of some other circumstance?

Edit: BTW I am not on the JG train, he kills the team in the fourth quarter. Just spouting the facts of this team... not "cherry picking"

Nowhere did I say the team would win with just anyone in there. I was just pointing out the fallacy of relying almost exclusively on the W/L stat to prove the Jimmy is anything more than what he is. There are a plethora of quantitative and qualitative things that need to be considered when evaluating any player. Just saying "this guy just wins" holds little water. Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl and Dan Marino didn't. Would you take Dilfer over Marino?

Yeah but now who is cherry picking?

Saying something is cherry picking within the context of the same team, not one of the greatest defenses vs the greatest QB to never win a SB, holds little water to. This team wins more with JG than anyone else who has started within the KS era. It's not cherry picking to say that. Again JG plays great for the first half and then multiple times this team has bailed him out in the 2nd half. But he still threw the passes, led the drives, was a part of scoring those points to overcome his suckyness for that record to happen. So his W/L record isnt really cherry picking. That's the only point I was trying to make. He had a part in the wins just like he has a part in the losses.

Dude you're not disagreeing with anything I said nor am I in disagreement with anything you said, other than the fact that W/L is not a useful stat by itself. My whole point is to illustrate that you can take any stat without context and paint a narrative. Maybe my point wasn't clear enough.

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Dude you're not disagreeing with anything I said nor am I in disagreement with anything you said, other than the fact that W/L is not a useful stat by itself. My whole point is to illustrate that you can take any stat without context and paint a narrative. Maybe my point wasn't clear enough.

I like how it boils down to record by itself as a 'problem' yet the original post was not record by itself it was like a list of 15 things

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Dude you're not disagreeing with anything I said nor am I in disagreement with anything you said, other than the fact that W/L is not a useful stat by itself. My whole point is to illustrate that you can take any stat without context and paint a narrative. Maybe my point wasn't clear enough.

I like how it boils down to record by itself as a 'problem' yet the original post was not record by itself it was like a list of 15 things

Because those other 15 things weren't serious football points. I thought you were joking about being the face of Subway being proof that Jimmy is a great QB, but apparently I was mistaken?

Originally posted by Young2Owens:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Dude you're not disagreeing with anything I said nor am I in disagreement with anything you said, other than the fact that W/L is not a useful stat by itself. My whole point is to illustrate that you can take any stat without context and paint a narrative. Maybe my point wasn't clear enough.

I like how it boils down to record by itself as a 'problem' yet the original post was not record by itself it was like a list of 15 things

Because those other 15 things weren't serious football points. I thought you were joking about being the face of Subway being proof that Jimmy is a great QB, but apparently I was mistaken?

Lol okay that may be true but at least a third of the list is probably serious.. not just record by itself.. I would wager $5 WZ bucks against that

In case it hasn't been shared yet. Kyle discussing lipgate 2022

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Dude you're not disagreeing with anything I said nor am I in disagreement with anything you said, other than the fact that W/L is not a useful stat by itself. My whole point is to illustrate that you can take any stat without context and paint a narrative. Maybe my point wasn't clear enough.

I like how it boils down to record by itself as a 'problem' yet the original post was not record by itself it was like a list of 15 things

Because those other 15 things weren't serious football points. I thought you were joking about being the face of Subway being proof that Jimmy is a great QB, but apparently I was mistaken?

Lol okay that may be true but at least a third of the list is probably serious.. not just record by itself.. I would wager $5 WZ bucks against that

LOL more like only one: the 98.5 rating. I'll leave that up to people more knowledgeable about QBR to debate you on that.

I did t expect much last season going into our MNF game against the Rams. That game was the spark that pushed us to the playoffs. Maybe we can replicate that.

But I'm skeptical, very skeptical. I think it's more likely that what we're seeing is in fact the state of the team, and we're just not as good as we all thought.

Originally posted by jonnydel:


In case it hasn't been shared yet. Kyle discussing lipgate 2022

I'm guessing the smile you see about 35 secs in... it crosses his mind he could use the TL up the gut playcalls for JG. Problem solved.

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Dude you're not disagreeing with anything I said nor am I in disagreement with anything you said, other than the fact that W/L is not a useful stat by itself. My whole point is to illustrate that you can take any stat without context and paint a narrative. Maybe my point wasn't clear enough.

Understood, Isnt it nice that we could actually hash this out and realize we are both on a similar tangent.

Seems rare these days.

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
I did t expect much last season going into our MNF game against the Rams. That game was the spark that pushed us to the playoffs. Maybe we can replicate that.

But I'm skeptical, very skeptical. I think it's more likely that what we're seeing is in fact the state of the team, and we're just not as good as we all thought.

The team has the talent. The defense is firing on all cylinders.

The offense is not yet.

It was the same last season. We lost a bunch of games. It was because the team was out of sync.

This season it is happening to an extent again. Some of the blocking is not quite right because of the timing, some of the receivers aren't exactly where they should be at the time they are meant to be and Jimmy G at times has thrown late or too early.

Given JG has started late after zero pre season etc etc and the team was geared up for Trey how is the state of play even a shock to anyone?

The expectation that things should be perfect and it is all JG's fault is a thoroughly unconvincing proposition.

Week 4 Stat Watch

62%
365 pass yds
2 pass TDs
1 pass INT
89.2 rating

projected

2068 pass yds
11 pass TDs
6 pass INTs