Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by OhioNiner:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by OhioNiner:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:

Originally posted by DrEll:
If that Deebo TD was a pick 6 (like it should've been), the entire complexion of the game changes and we'd all be ranting about how Jimmy cost us the game.

"I saw him driving on it so I just didn't want to throw the interception," Garoppolo said. "I kind of gave it a 'either Deebo will get it or no one will' and that's about all I did on the play."

I like how a touchdown pass "should" have been a pick 6

Thank you JG thread. You can take me now. I've seen it all.

I don't know how the place would be acting if we had Stafford as our QB last night. Granted it's not a perfect comparison as he had a thrown together offensive line and our defense to face. But he arguably played worse than Jimmy against Denver last week. One pick six thrown, another interception that should have been caught by by Gipson in our end zone, sacked 7 times with a lost fumble on the last one. He's inching up towards the record of career pick sixes thrown, held by Favre. I can accept that overall he's a "better" QB than Jimmy. But he's definitely not worlds better and when he's bad he can look, well as bad if not worse than bad Jimmy. It's kind of funny because I for fun googled some stuff last night and there's a decent, well Seahawks piece on Stafford with an embedded Twitter conversation between Richard Sherman and Orlovsky .

I'd personally love if we had some more Sherman type perspectives around here than the Orlovsky type ones that sometimes are all too prevalent.

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That's what I've been telling people since the NFCCG.

When you're QB is under 35%+ pressure rate and < 2.5ypc (no run game), no QB is going to transcend that. Stafford faced that week 1 and week 4 and he crumbled like I expected.

Fans really need to spend more time looking at the context of games and understanding the true circumstances.

No doubt we can still evaluate QB play, the good, the misses, etc. too. We can do both.

Yes, they should have applied this to the Bears game. But did not for some strange reason. I wonder what it could be...

Again, I'd say a lot of it is on that crowd I just mentioned.

I don't think anyone should have an issue at this point saying Jimmy is not a franchise or great QB. Some people seem to literally say he's great. Well, he's not "great".

But if he plays within himself and doesn't make stupid turnovers he can certainly play his part in wins.

When there's that crowd that, as I said, pretty much finds ways to single handedly blame Jimmy for every loss and even nitpick and hand wring about what he may have done wrong in wins, even if it's not a majority of the fan base, they are indeed very loud and it's kinda only natural that there's going to be at least some people who take that and unload on Trey when he's less than perfect.

He makes very key passes in the middle of the field, passes that lead to wins. His 1D% is always near the top of the league, and that's a winner stat. Moving the chains leads to wins. He has weaknesses, but they're not enough to make you a bad team. But if he plays like last night, that's enough to get us over the hump.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by OhioNiner:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:

Originally posted by DrEll:
If that Deebo TD was a pick 6 (like it should've been), the entire complexion of the game changes and we'd all be ranting about how Jimmy cost us the game.

"I saw him driving on it so I just didn't want to throw the interception," Garoppolo said. "I kind of gave it a 'either Deebo will get it or no one will' and that's about all I did on the play."

I like how a touchdown pass "should" have been a pick 6

Thank you JG thread. You can take me now. I've seen it all.

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I don't know how the place would be acting if we had Stafford as our QB last night. Granted it's not a perfect comparison as he had a thrown together offensive line and our defense to face. But he arguably played worse than Jimmy against Denver last week. One pick six thrown, another interception that should have been caught by by Gipson in our end zone, sacked 7 times with a lost fumble on the last one. He's inching up towards the record of career pick sixes thrown, held by Favre. I can accept that overall he's a "better" QB than Jimmy. But he's definitely not worlds better and when he's bad he can look, well as bad if not worse than bad Jimmy. It's kind of funny because I for fun googled some stuff last night and there's a decent, well Seahawks piece on Stafford with an embedded Twitter conversation between Richard Sherman and Orlovsky .

I'd personally love if we had some more Sherman type perspectives around here than the Orlovsky type ones that sometimes are all too prevalent.

That's what I've been telling people since the NFCCG.

When you're QB is under 35%+ pressure rate and < 2.5ypc (no run game), no QB is going to transcend that. Stafford faced that week 1 and week 4 and he crumbled like I expected.

Fans really need to spend more time looking at the context of games and understanding the true circumstances.

No doubt we can still evaluate QB play, the good, the misses, etc. too. We can do both.

Yes, they should have applied this to the Bears game. But did not for some strange reason. I wonder what it could be...

I'm not sure what you mean but NO QB is winning under these circumstances. So if Trey was under pressure 35%+ in this game and we had no running game, ALL fans should be recognizing that context and adjust their expectations accordingly...and put their energy towards the source of that issue.

The QB/RB is just the two most affected by that context.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
From Reddit:
"Jimmy when people think he threw it high intentionally"

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HA

He did throw it high intentionally, or rather, he threw it away from the defender.

Well for one, he SAID he did. And for two, Jimmy is usually very accurate on slants. It's quite reasonable to say in the very least he pulled the pass right before release to make sure it pointed away from the trajectory the ball would have gone if it was run on air. He doesn't read defenses too well after the snap, but he DOES have a very good understanding of position and angles, and has since 2017. I find it more believable in this case he was attempting to throw it away from the crashing db than it just being an inaccurate pass (this is NOT the case on those 12-15 yard, over the middle plays in which he gets victimized by robber coverage).

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

From Reddit:
"Jimmy when people think he threw it high intentionally"

HA

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He did throw it high intentionally, or rather, he threw it away from the defender.

Well for one, he SAID he did. And for two, Jimmy is usually very accurate on slants. It's quite reasonable to say in the very least he pulled the pass right before release to make sure it pointed away from the trajectory the ball would have gone if it was run on air. He doesn't read defenses too well after the snap, but he DOES have a very good understanding of position and angles, and has since 2017. I find it more believable in this case he was attempting to throw it away from the crashing db than it just being an inaccurate pass (this is NOT the case on those 12-15 yard, over the middle plays in which he gets victimized by robber coverage).

Hes a sharpshooter 7-9 yrds. I don't believe he accidentally put it in the perfect spot.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Well for one, he SAID he did. And for two, Jimmy is usually very accurate on slants. It's quite reasonable to say in the very least he pulled the pass right before release to make sure it pointed away from the trajectory the ball would have gone if it was run on air. He doesn't read defenses too well after the snap, but he DOES have a very good understanding of position and angles, and has since 2017. I find it more believable in this case he was attempting to throw it away from the crashing db than it just being an inaccurate pass (this is NOT the case on those 12-15 yard, over the middle plays in which he gets victimized by robber coverage).

What is more believable. Jimmy threw a perfect pass that just happens to be high or that jimmy threw high and Deebo made a great catch? I mean i would love it to be the 1st one but all the evidence points to the 2nd one.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Well for one, he SAID he did. And for two, Jimmy is usually very accurate on slants. It's quite reasonable to say in the very least he pulled the pass right before release to make sure it pointed away from the trajectory the ball would have gone if it was run on air. He doesn't read defenses too well after the snap, but he DOES have a very good understanding of position and angles, and has since 2017. I find it more believable in this case he was attempting to throw it away from the crashing db than it just being an inaccurate pass (this is NOT the case on those 12-15 yard, over the middle plays in which he gets victimized by robber coverage).

What is more believable. Jimmy threw a perfect pass that just happens to be high or that jimmy threw high and Deebo made a great catch? I mean i would love it to be the 1st one but all the evidence points to the 2nd one.

Deebo is 5'6". Every pass is "high" to him.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Well for one, he SAID he did. And for two, Jimmy is usually very accurate on slants. It's quite reasonable to say in the very least he pulled the pass right before release to make sure it pointed away from the trajectory the ball would have gone if it was run on air. He doesn't read defenses too well after the snap, but he DOES have a very good understanding of position and angles, and has since 2017. I find it more believable in this case he was attempting to throw it away from the crashing db than it just being an inaccurate pass (this is NOT the case on those 12-15 yard, over the middle plays in which he gets victimized by robber coverage).

What is more believable. Jimmy threw a perfect pass that just happens to be high or that jimmy threw high and Deebo made a great catch? I mean i would love it to be the 1st one but all the evidence points to the 2nd one.

Where should of he put it then? You're sitting here saying he shouldve thrown it directly to the defender?

82% of his passing yards last night were YAC. So lol.

Originally posted by TTown9ers:
82% of his passing yards last night were YAC. So lol.

Imagine crying about this lol

Originally posted by TTown9ers:

82% of his passing yards last night were YAC. So lol.

Perfect game plan for Jimmy

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by TTown9ers:
82% of his passing yards last night were YAC. So lol.

Perfect game plan for Jimmy

Exactly. Shotgun: pitch - catch, all night.

Kyle drafted all 3 cone short area YAC receivers for this exact reason (high % passes). Use them that way. They aren't built for winning deep (BA blanketed on the one deep shot). Once in a while and take your calculated shots.

But 85% should be like this.

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by TTown9ers:
82% of his passing yards last night were YAC. So lol.

Perfect game plan for Jimmy

Yup as Kyle said and I'm a paraphrasing but air yards are highly inefficient compared to short efficient high percentage throws. This is why he drafts YAC people.

Fans obsession with fantasy football stats is unbelievably naive.

Originally posted by TTown9ers:
82% of his passing yards last night were YAC. So lol.

You do understand that this is the way you neutralize Aaron Donald right?

Originally posted by BangBang49er:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by TTown9ers:
82% of his passing yards last night were YAC. So lol.

Perfect game plan for Jimmy

Yup as Kyle said and I'm a paraphrasing but air yards are highly inefficient compared to short efficient high percentage throws.

Fans obsession with fantasy football stats is unbelievably naive.

While I do agree to an extent. You have to be able to keep defenses honest and prevent them from clamping down on the underneath stuff. Contested passes over the middle of the field lead to turnovers and incompletions a lot of the time.

Originally posted by Youngone:

Originally posted by TTown9ers:
82% of his passing yards last night were YAC. So lol.

You do understand that this is the way you neutralize Aaron Donald right?

I bet his TTT was ultra high again (NextGen, not PFF). Lombardi and Barrows pointed that out in their last pod.