Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 5Jan2003:
Jimmy threw some cool darts. Ran for a 1st down. He seemed up to game speed after a long layoff.
Yeah I'd rather have prime Steve Young at QB on this team, but I'm rooting for Jimmy to stay upright the whole season and see how it all shakes out.

LOL Rams.

IDGAF how..just get the W

Exactly... It's rarely going to be pretty with Jimmy but we'll usually have a chance to win it with him.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Refer to my last post.

I did and am still confused. Any metric that doesn't include actual turnovers as turnover worthy is pretty worthless. Imo.. if your receiver has it bounce of his hands to a DB.. that is not turnover worthy. If you throw it to a defender and he drops it that is turnover worthy.

Pick six to Huf is
Getting strip sacked is
Gipson dropped INT
Fred dropped INT

just watching the game he had 4 imo. Why would a legit pick 6 not be turnover worthy?

note to self:
put all twp and btt stats here.. ------>
it's just subjective junk someone made up

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
BTT= Big Time Throw. It means a throw that was of high difficulty and typically further down the field.

TWP= Turnover Worthy Plays. Self explanatory.

BTW, what was Stafford's TWP's?

Pff credits MS with 2 TWP's.

Just 2??? Wow. I was going to guess like 30. LOL

The other that wasn't an INT was most likely the Fred Warner drop. The only other that I can think of was a low pass that the defender would have had to make a shoelace type catch. Stafford did have the fumble but that doesn't count against him as a passer.

Yeah probably Fred and Gipson were the two. Plus the actual INT might not count in their definition. I feel like there were a couple more as well (tipped balls for a near INT)...but maybe not within their pure definition.

Lots of guys like pretty football over wins. Like throwing it all over the field. Stafford did that. He also had turnovers and lost. I'll take the win.

Jimmy G throws touchdowns and wins games.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Refer to my last post.

I did and am still confused. Any metric that doesn't include actual turnovers as turnover worthy is pretty worthless. Imo.. if your receiver has it bounce of his hands to a DB.. that is not turnover worthy. If you throw it to a defender and he drops it that is turnover worthy.

Pick six to Huf is
Getting strip sacked is
Gipson dropped INT
Fred dropped INT

just watching the game he had 4 imo. Why would a legit pick 6 not be turnover worthy?

note to self:
put all twp and btt stats here.. ------>
it's just subjective junk someone made up

What turnovers did they not credit as TWP's? The fumble would be considered a turnover as a ball carrier and therefor would not be credited under his passing stats. It was my mistake, not pff's as I did not include his stats as a ball carrier.

Highest rated player on offense, per PFF.

made plays took care of the ball, we got good Jimmy this week.

funny how people will point to mistakes and a few losses, and never acknowledge nice plays and lots of wins.

the media doesn't help, Stafford sticks one into double coverage across the middle, announcers call it an amazing play…Jimmy sticks one into double coverage across the middle and the announcers say that's a bad choice and risky throw!

Jimmy just wins…and that should be of value around here, but it's not.

Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
Highest rated player on offense, per PFF.

made plays took care of the ball, we got good Jimmy this week.

funny how people will point to mistakes and a few losses, and never acknowledge nice plays and lots of wins.

the media doesn't help, Stafford sticks one into double coverage across the middle, announcers call it an amazing play…Jimmy sticks one into double coverage across the middle and the announcers say that's a bad choice and risky throw!

Jimmy just wins…and that should be of value around here, but it's not.

Yeah that is true.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Lots of guys like pretty football over wins. Like throwing it all over the field. Stafford did that. He also had turnovers and lost. I'll take the win.

Jimmy G throws touchdowns and wins games.

Yup.. winning football and stuff that doesn't show in the stat sheet or analytics.. like the throw away with maybe the greatest DT of all time unblocked in his grill

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
BTT= Big Time Throw. It means a throw that was of high difficulty and typically further down the field.

TWP= Turnover Worthy Plays. Self explanatory.

BTW, what was Stafford's TWP's?

Pff credits MS with 2 TWP's.

Just 2??? Wow. I was going to guess like 30. LOL

The other that wasn't an INT was most likely the Fred Warner drop. The only other that I can think of was a low pass that the defender would have had to make a shoelace type catch. Stafford did have the fumble but that doesn't count against him as a passer.

Yeah probably Fred and Gipson were the two. Plus the actual INT might not count in their definition. I feel like there were a couple more as well (tipped balls for a near INT)...but maybe not within their pure definition.

You may be right. I did not consider that. It would be silly for them to include the turnover twice on the same stat sheet.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Lots of guys like pretty football over wins. Like throwing it all over the field. Stafford did that. He also had turnovers and lost. I'll take the win.

Jimmy G throws touchdowns and wins games.

Yup.. winning football and stuff that doesn't show in the stat sheet or analytics.. like the throw away with maybe the greatest DT of all time unblocked in his grill

I agree.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
BTT= Big Time Throw. It means a throw that was of high difficulty and typically further down the field.

TWP= Turnover Worthy Plays. Self explanatory.

BTW, what was Stafford's TWP's?

Pff credits MS with 2 TWP's.

Just 2??? Wow. I was going to guess like 30. LOL

The other that wasn't an INT was most likely the Fred Warner drop. The only other that I can think of was a low pass that the defender would have had to make a shoelace type catch. Stafford did have the fumble but that doesn't count against him as a passer.

Yeah probably Fred and Gipson were the two. Plus the actual INT might not count in their definition. I feel like there were a couple more as well (tipped balls for a near INT)...but maybe not within their pure definition.

You may be right. I did not consider that. It would be silly for them to include the turnover twice on the same stat sheet.

Yeah, "worthy" vs. "actual" is probably the key difference for them.

Jimmy started off hitting all those slants and in-breakers - that's when Jimmy is at his best. Hit a lull in the middle, but didn't put the ball in harms way from what I remember. He doesn't have a consistent run game to help him out at the moment. I do think he missed Aiyuk on the Kittle tiptoe play, and I do think Aiyuk was first in the progression (not sure), but made a heck of a throw to Kittle to give that play a chance. A fine rebound game from last week.

Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
Highest rated player on offense, per PFF.

made plays took care of the ball, we got good Jimmy this week.

funny how people will point to mistakes and a few losses, and never acknowledge nice plays and lots of wins.

the media doesn't help, Stafford sticks one into double coverage across the middle, announcers call it an amazing play…Jimmy sticks one into double coverage across the middle and the announcers say that's a bad choice and risky throw!

Jimmy just wins…and that should be of value around here, but it's not.

Jimmy played great last night by his standards. When the defense holds teams to 9 points and scores 7 of their own, the QB just needs to not f**k it up and we'll win 99% of the time.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah, "worthy" vs. "actual" is probably the key difference for them.

I would put actual INTs as worthy if they are in fact worthy.. not all are but most are.. it's a subjective judgement call on what is or is not worthy at the end of the day.. two stat houses/companies tracking it could have totally different numbers.. what is worthy?

i like objective stats

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
BTT= Big Time Throw. It means a throw that was of high difficulty and typically further down the field.

TWP= Turnover Worthy Plays. Self explanatory.

BTW, what was Stafford's TWP's?

Pff credits MS with 2 TWP's.

Just 2??? Wow. I was going to guess like 30. LOL

The other that wasn't an INT was most likely the Fred Warner drop. The only other that I can think of was a low pass that the defender would have had to make a shoelace type catch. Stafford did have the fumble but that doesn't count against him as a passer.

Yeah probably Fred and Gipson were the two. Plus the actual INT might not count in their definition. I feel like there were a couple more as well (tipped balls for a near INT)...but maybe not within their pure definition.

You may be right. I did not consider that. It would be silly for them to include the turnover twice on the same stat sheet.

Yeah, "worthy" vs. "actual" is probably the key difference for them.

Makes a lot of sense.