Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Folks who don't like stats should just put me on ignore.

I'm jk. PFF concrete stats are very informative, it's the subjective stats - including their player ratings - that cause me to question the accuracy.

Agreed. I don't use their player rankings or grades. I do like TTT, BTT and TWP stats though. Imo, they help tell a bigger story for player performance.

Correct me if I'm wrong but TTT (Time To Throw) is the duration from snap to throw? Does it take into account whether the play is 3 5 or 7 step timing? My guess is no. That right there invalidates the stat imo. Unless the stat is used to measure the offense or the gameplan (it shouldn't be used to measure the QB or OL).

For example, the Rams started off with very quick throws. It was apparent that there was a conscious decision to quickly get the ball out of Stafford's hands. In other words, his TTT was fast. But that's an example of why I think TTT is a gameplan stat.

I should have clarified why I like TTT. Under pff's pressure passing it gives an idea of the average time the QB has to throw before he is forced off his spot. Which gives us an idea of how well pass pro was holding up on average. But like any other stat, it should only be used as a piece of the puzzle and not the entire puzzle.

Originally posted by GolittaCamper:

Jimmy just wins…and that should be of value around here, but it's not.

When we are discussing the team, wins are all that are of value. Some people just like to discuss individual players and their individual play in their individual thread.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by GolittaCamper:

Jimmy just wins…and that should be of value around here, but it's not.

When we are discussing the team, wins is all that is of value. Some people just like to discuss individual players and their individual play in their individual thread.

It's going on right now. For Jimmy, "he just wins, baby". For Kyle, "not good enough, needs to be blowing out divisional foes/SB defending champs"

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by GolittaCamper:

Jimmy just wins…and that should be of value around here, but it's not.

When we are discussing the team, wins are all that are of value. Some people just like to discuss individual players and their individual play in their individual thread.

Would you consider 13-10 record in his last 23 starts as someone who "just wins"?

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by GolittaCamper:

Jimmy just wins…and that should be of value around here, but it's not.

When we are discussing the team, wins is all that is of value. Some people just like to discuss individual players and their individual play in their individual thread.

It's going on right now. For Jimmy, "he just wins, baby". For Kyle, "not good enough, needs to be blowing out divisional foes/SB defending champs"

I think Jimmy elevates the confidence and hope of the entire team. You could probably compare guys like Mullens and Jimmy's numbers and sometimes Mullens on paper looked better. You could do the same for Jimmy and Beathard. The TEAM knows Mullens and Beathard were trash and lost confidence and hope for the season. Then their play would typically decline. With Jimmy he has certain intangibles like "Oh we're not going to lose with this guy." Even when we did like last week, Jimmy got us back on track this week. He didn't do it by himself of course, but he was a part of it. He has a slight IT factor. Not a big one, but there is something about him. That's why we win with him.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by GolittaCamper:

Jimmy just wins…and that should be of value around here, but it's not.

When we are discussing the team, wins are all that are of value. Some people just like to discuss individual players and their individual play in their individual thread.

Would you consider 13-10 record in his last 23 starts as someone who "just wins"?

Not personally, no. But I also am not one to cherry pick and remove other data, like the 49ers record before his last 23 starts.

I also dont subscribe to QB wins as a stat, so yeah.

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by GolittaCamper:

Jimmy just wins…and that should be of value around here, but it's not.

When we are discussing the team, wins is all that is of value. Some people just like to discuss individual players and their individual play in their individual thread.

It's going on right now. For Jimmy, "he just wins, baby". For Kyle, "not good enough, needs to be blowing out divisional foes/SB defending champs"

I think Jimmy elevates the confidence and hope of the entire team. You could probably compare guys like Mullens and Jimmy's numbers and sometimes Mullens on paper looked better. You could do the same for Jimmy and Beathard. The TEAM knows Mullens and Beathard were trash and lost confidence and hope for the season. Then their play would typically decline. With Jimmy he has certain intangibles like "Oh we're not going to lose with this guy." Even when we did like last week, Jimmy got us back on track this week. He didn't do it by himself of course, but he was a part of it. He has a slight IT factor. Not a big one, but there is something about him. That's why we win with him.

Mullens and Beathard never played with Nick Bosa or with a consistent supporting cast. Not saying they're good, but I don't buy that Jimmy has some magical impact on the confidence of the team, he's just played with a better supporting cast.

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by GolittaCamper:

Jimmy just wins…and that should be of value around here, but it's not.

When we are discussing the team, wins is all that is of value. Some people just like to discuss individual players and their individual play in their individual thread.

It's going on right now. For Jimmy, "he just wins, baby". For Kyle, "not good enough, needs to be blowing out divisional foes/SB defending champs"

I think Jimmy elevates the confidence and hope of the entire team. You could probably compare guys like Mullens and Jimmy's numbers and sometimes Mullens on paper looked better. You could do the same for Jimmy and Beathard. The TEAM knows Mullens and Beathard were trash and lost confidence and hope for the season. Then their play would typically decline. With Jimmy he has certain intangibles like "Oh we're not going to lose with this guy." Even when we did like last week, Jimmy got us back on track this week. He didn't do it by himself of course, but he was a part of it. He has a slight IT factor. Not a big one, but there is something about him. That's why we win with him.

No he doesn't. Not at all. The only reason the team rallies around him is because he's been there since 2017, whereas the majority of the players on the roster have not. They haven't seen better so they look up to him. But you clearly see the frustrations on the field with players like Aiyuk and at times Deebo and Kittle. He leaves a LOT on the field…

Originally posted by thl408:
It's going on right now. For Jimmy, "he just wins, baby". For Kyle, "not good enough, needs to be blowing out divisional foes/SB defending champs"

Originally posted by Silky:
I think Jimmy elevates the confidence and hope of the entire team. You could probably compare guys like Mullens and Jimmy's numbers and sometimes Mullens on paper looked better. You could do the same for Jimmy and Beathard. The TEAM knows Mullens and Beathard were trash and lost confidence and hope for the season. Then their play would typically decline. With Jimmy he has certain intangibles like "Oh we're not going to lose with this guy." Even when we did like last week, Jimmy got us back on track this week. He didn't do it by himself of course, but he was a part of it. He has a slight IT factor. Not a big one, but there is something about him. That's why we win with him.

That's like comparing two piles of s**t and a $1 menu cheese burger. Yeah the cheese burger is food and everyone knows you can eat it…but it's still a $1 menu cheese burger end of the day.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Silky:
I think Jimmy elevates the confidence and hope of the entire team. You could probably compare guys like Mullens and Jimmy's numbers and sometimes Mullens on paper looked better. You could do the same for Jimmy and Beathard. The TEAM knows Mullens and Beathard were trash and lost confidence and hope for the season. Then their play would typically decline. With Jimmy he has certain intangibles like "Oh we're not going to lose with this guy." Even when we did like last week, Jimmy got us back on track this week. He didn't do it by himself of course, but he was a part of it. He has a slight IT factor. Not a big one, but there is something about him. That's why we win with him.

That's like comparing two piles of s**t and a $1 menu cheese burger. Yeah the cheese burger is food and everyone knows you can eat it…but it's still a $1 menu cheese burger end of the day.

JGhater85 strikes again

Where the f**k is there a 1$ burger nowadays?

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Where the f**k is there a 1$ burger nowadays?

I miss the jalapeño burger at McDonald's. But I'm also fat so…

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
JGhater85 strikes again

Quit being a puss.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Where the f**k is there a 1$ burger nowadays?

s**tty fast food. I don't know I don't eat it lol