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Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Dude you're trying way too hard. Go hug someone.
Be careful man. Phoenix says he's laying down the hammer on this stuff now. RIP TD49er
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
And this ignores the great designs Kyle called which got huge gains. It also ignores the strong possibility on a lot of those first and second downs that EXECUTION was the problem.
Yup.
Agreed. But not last Sunday. What, "great designs?"
Wait you telling me every single conversion was a straight improvise play from Jimmy? Lol stop, he finally had a great play extension on the RayRay play but let's stop making stuff up.
Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:
Originally posted by KegBert:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
I feel like I need cataract surgery after seeing some of the stills posted in here. This thread teetered back and forth along the lines of absurdity about 800 times, in both directions. Today it is one flew over the cuckoo's nest crazy.
Still shots do seem to be a slightly inadequate way to analyze such a frenetic game as football.
oh, completely lol
So you're saying you dont see the green arrow,...where the ball could've been placed without having Aiyuk in trouble? It's literally simply on the other side of his body...not 2 or 3 yards.
Red = leading into the defender
Green = Touchdown
Peach = A a catch most of the time w/Aiyuk perhaps,...but not always.
He's open.
I've watched the play.
just completely disingenuous and ludicrous to entertain this level of nit pick.
he dropped an easy TD.
100% Aiyuk here.
Originally posted by thl408:
SEA has also shifted to a five man front. But there's another thing going on with the 1.5 gap scheme. However, just because a team is using a five man front doesn't mean they are 1.5 gap. I know LAC uses 1.5 because of Brandon Staley. I don't know which other teams use it.
Brandon Staley on #Chargers defense last night: "Schematically, that was as good of a plan that I've ever had, to be honest with you, since I've been calling defenses."
— Daniel Popper (@danielrpopper) November 15, 2022
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:
Originally posted by KegBert:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
I feel like I need cataract surgery after seeing some of the stills posted in here. This thread teetered back and forth along the lines of absurdity about 800 times, in both directions. Today it is one flew over the cuckoo's nest crazy.
Still shots do seem to be a slightly inadequate way to analyze such a frenetic game as football.
oh, completely lol
So you're saying you dont see the green arrow,...where the ball could've been placed without having Aiyuk in trouble? It's literally simply on the other side of his body...not 2 or 3 yards.
Red = leading into the defender
Green = Touchdown
Peach = A a catch most of the time w/Aiyuk perhaps,...but not always.
He's open.
I've watched the play.
just completely disingenuous and ludicrous to entertain this level of nit pick.
he dropped an easy TD.
100% Aiyuk here.
Apparently your take is false and there's screenshots from NES Metal Gear to prove it.
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
And this ignores the great designs Kyle called which got huge gains. It also ignores the strong possibility on a lot of those first and second downs that EXECUTION was the problem.
How about jimmy and the O did a great job of executing the plays on crucial downs that Kyle put in place? We can give both of them credit?
jimmy benefits from kyles system and play calling while Kyle benefits from Jimmys execution, accuracy, and composure.
Yup. Even if this was one of Kyle's most vanilla game plans ever.
The good news is if we play a 3rd string team in the playoffs, we know we can still have a come-from-behind win in the 4Q with a run-centric game plan playing behind the sticks.
When Mitchell got the ball on 1st down he had carries of 3 yds, 7 yds, 8 yds, 9 yds, 7 yds, 12 yds, 1 yd and 6 yds. When CMC got the ball on 1st down he had carries of 4 yds, -1 yd, -1 yd, 3 yds, 5 yds, 12 yds, 0 yds, 0 yds and -3 yds. When Deebo got the ball on 1st down he had carries of 15 yds, 5 yds and 0 yds. On 1st down, Jimmy threw 3 incompletions, was sacked once and kneeled once. Only 1 pass on 1st down that was completed didn't go for a 1st down but instead went for 8. And 1 pass on 1st down that would have moved the chains ended up being a fumble and a turnover. The only reason that 2nd and long stat that you are throwing around to knock Kyle exists is because most of CMC's 1st down carries went nowhere. Mitchell didn't have that problem running it on 1st down.
Back up a few more steps. The reason we're a 2nd and long offense is because every DC in the world knows we're running on first downs more than any other team with the exception of three others.
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That is not QB-friendly. That is not OL-friendly. IMHO, of course.
So why did Mitchell have so much success on 1st down?
I'm not arguing it still can't work. Like I said, it's no secret. The issue is when it's clear the defense is adjusting to it and winning.
If you want to get granular and say one RB was more successful, that's fine.
But the point is, Kyle's run-centric first-down tendency does not make life easy on that OL, RB and eventually, the QB and the passing game. It leaves no room for error esp. when the volume is so small to overcome so many 2nd and longs.
That starts with Kyle. But we as a fan base typically spend our time down stream with the passing game.
Kyle can make this a whole lot easier on everyone. And we've seen that first hand when he has come out more pass-centric and balanced.
But when we did throw the ball and the pass was completed it ended up as a 1st down a majority of the time. So there was no opportunity for a 2nd and short. When Mitchell ran the ball, it ended up being 2nd and short a majority of the time. When CMC ran the ball, it ended up being 2nd and long a majority of the time. You don't see the pattern?
It's not just Kyle here either. Penalties too and poor execution lead to a number of 2nd and longs. Not just the rushing attempts. It's really his first down offense but a big part of that IS the obvious tendency to run on first downs in between the tackles.
To your other point, it was clear to me Mitchell was clearly the better rusher. But that was another tendency. Kyle stuck with CMC on a series and then Mitchell on a series. But both were only used in the rush game minus a pass or two.
Mitchell had no issues running the ball in between the tackles on 1st down inspite of this known tendency you speak of. CMC is not a downhill runner. Calling CMC's number on 1st down to run in between the tackles was the real issue and I hope that Kyle sees that on film and gets that corrected ASAP.
Originally posted by NCommand:Watching the replay and jimmy's checking into runs and not checking out of runs against 5-6 man fronts
Like I said originally, Jimmy saved Kyle's ass on Sunday night overcoming 11 2nd and longs in 10 possessions and 3rd downs.
Good job Jimmy!
Originally posted by Furlow:
I started it right when it happened lol. We'll get another 30-40 pages out of this throw/drop.
Same thing with Sanfran talking about "further justification" like it was some back shoulder throw....lol.Originally posted by jonnydel:
Apparently your take is false and there's screenshots from NES Metal Gear to prove it.
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:
Originally posted by KegBert:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
I feel like I need cataract surgery after seeing some of the stills posted in here. This thread teetered back and forth along the lines of absurdity about 800 times, in both directions. Today it is one flew over the cuckoo's nest crazy.
Still shots do seem to be a slightly inadequate way to analyze such a frenetic game as football.
oh, completely lol
So you're saying you dont see the green arrow,...where the ball could've been placed without having Aiyuk in trouble? It's literally simply on the other side of his body...not 2 or 3 yards.
Red = leading into the defender
Green = Touchdown
Peach = A a catch most of the time w/Aiyuk perhaps,...but not always.
He's open.
I've watched the play.
just completely disingenuous and ludicrous to entertain this level of nit pick.
he dropped an easy TD.
100% Aiyuk here.
Apparently your take is false and there's screenshots from NES Metal Gear to prove it.
Why is this being drug out? Jimmy threw a catchable ball and Aiyuk dropped it. The end.
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by NCommand:Watching the replay and jimmy's checking into runs and not checking out of runs against 5-6 man fronts
Like I said originally, Jimmy saved Kyle's ass on Sunday night overcoming 11 2nd and longs in 10 possessions and 3rd downs.
Good job Jimmy!
but he's saving Kyles ass now lol
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Apparently your take is false and there's screenshots from NES Metal Gear to prove it.
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:
Originally posted by KegBert:
Originally posted by jonnydel:
I feel like I need cataract surgery after seeing some of the stills posted in here. This thread teetered back and forth along the lines of absurdity about 800 times, in both directions. Today it is one flew over the cuckoo's nest crazy.
Still shots do seem to be a slightly inadequate way to analyze such a frenetic game as football.
oh, completely lol
So you're saying you dont see the green arrow,...where the ball could've been placed without having Aiyuk in trouble? It's literally simply on the other side of his body...not 2 or 3 yards.
Red = leading into the defender
Green = Touchdown
Peach = A a catch most of the time w/Aiyuk perhaps,...but not always.
He's open.
I've watched the play.
just completely disingenuous and ludicrous to entertain this level of nit pick.
he dropped an easy TD.
100% Aiyuk here.
Apparently your take is false and there's screenshots from NES Metal Gear to prove it.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by NCommand:Watching the replay and jimmy's checking into runs and not checking out of runs against 5-6 man fronts
Like I said originally, Jimmy saved Kyle's ass on Sunday night overcoming 11 2nd and longs in 10 possessions and 3rd downs.
Good job Jimmy!
but he's saving Kyles ass now lol
He sure did.
