Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by Kolohe:
You forgot

Dog s**t Brown = You're reaching

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Like I said originally, Jimmy saved Kyle's ass on Sunday night overcoming 11 2nd and longs in 10 possessions and 3rd downs.

Good job Jimmy!

Watching the replay and jimmy's checking into runs and not checking out of runs against 5-6 man fronts

but he's saving Kyles ass now lol

So now Jimmy's play calling is terrible too! Dude sucks top to bottom

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:

Originally posted by KegBert:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
I feel like I need cataract surgery after seeing some of the stills posted in here. This thread teetered back and forth along the lines of absurdity about 800 times, in both directions. Today it is one flew over the cuckoo's nest crazy.

Still shots do seem to be a slightly inadequate way to analyze such a frenetic game as football.

oh, completely lol

So you're saying you dont see the green arrow,...where the ball could've been placed without having Aiyuk in trouble? It's literally simply on the other side of his body...not 2 or 3 yards.





Red = leading into the defender
Green = Touchdown
Peach = A a catch most of the time w/Aiyuk perhaps,...but not always.

He's open.

I've watched the play.

just completely disingenuous and ludicrous to entertain this level of nit pick.

he dropped an easy TD.

100% Aiyuk here.

Apparently your take is false and there's screenshots from NES Metal Gear to prove it.

That screenshot with the arrows =

PEAK NT

Someone draw lines to show where BA should have sat on the route a bit.

Nevermind, Jimmy already did

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Like I said originally, Jimmy saved Kyle's ass on Sunday night overcoming 11 2nd and longs in 10 possessions and 3rd downs.

Good job Jimmy!

Watching the replay and jimmy's checking into runs and not checking out of runs against 5-6 man fronts

but he's saving Kyles ass now lol

He sure did.

Yeah but, you said he doesn't have any freedom and isn't allowed to do anything…

lol, NC is all over the place

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
lol, NC is all over the place

Usually when you say that about ppl it means they are nailing it fyi .. also good morning MrATT

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
That screenshot with the arrows =

PEAK NT

To be fair. A ton of other people toss out the screenshot…to try and prove something on the contrary

either way, it was a damn shame that nasty route wasn't rewarded with a TD. Gotta catch that!

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Like I said originally, Jimmy saved Kyle's ass on Sunday night overcoming 11 2nd and longs in 10 possessions and 3rd downs.

Good job Jimmy!

Watching the replay and jimmy's checking into runs and not checking out of runs against 5-6 man fronts

but he's saving Kyles ass now lol

So now Jimmy's play calling is terrible too! Dude sucks top to bottom

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Jimmy Garoppolo on 3rd and 8+ tonight for #49ers: 6 for 7 for 90 yards, 4 1st downs and 118.8 rating. For the season, Garoppolo has converted on 45.2% of passes on 3rd and 8+, 2nd best to Mahomes (46.9%)

— Josh Dubow (@JoshDubowAP) November 14, 2022

Like I said originally, Jimmy saved Kyle's ass on Sunday night overcoming 11 2nd and longs in 10 possessions and 3rd downs.

Good job Jimmy!

And this ignores the great designs Kyle called which got huge gains. It also ignores the strong possibility on a lot of those first and second downs that EXECUTION was the problem.

Not sure your point other than to point out the OP should have said Jimmy saved the teams ass, not Kyle's?

The ball absolutely needed for be caught. That is not debatable.

I just don't understand why so many people are getting bent out of shape when someone says that a slightly better ball location would have made it easier for him to catch it.

Both things can be true.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
To be fair. A ton of other people toss out the screenshot…to try and prove something on the contrary

either way, it was a damn shame that nasty route wasn't rewarded with a TD. Gotta catch that!

Exactly NY. He did all the work to set up that score and flubbed the easy part the money part the TD. Shame all that work and no reward exactly what it is. At least he is really developing the art of separation that's what we need.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Like I said originally, Jimmy saved Kyle's ass on Sunday night overcoming 11 2nd and longs in 10 possessions and 3rd downs.

Good job Jimmy!

Watching the replay and jimmy's checking into runs and not checking out of runs against 5-6 man fronts

but he's saving Kyles ass now lol

He sure did.

Yeah but, you said he doesn't have any freedom and isn't allowed to do anything…

First of all, you're counting on All being accurate here. Second, we all know he does at least come to the line with two options.

As to how much freedom he has in the game plan and beyond that, Aaron Rodgers would like a word with you.

Bottom line: we don't know. We have no clue how he's coached up within each play.

But many like you seem to act like he's his own OC out there.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
The ball absolutely needed for be caught. That is not debatable.

I just don't understand why so many people are getting bent out of shape when someone says that a slightly better ball location would have made it easier for him to catch it.

Both things can be true.

Cuz we understand the concept of gaslighting and have been there done that for 1000 pages of frame by frame breakdowns of total nonsense just to see how long it can be kept going .. I don't play that game anymore

My standard is do your job. JG did his on the play. BA didn't. End of story. Ppl will try to keep this going all week. I won't comment on it further

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
To be fair. A ton of other people toss out the screenshot…to try and prove something on the contrary

either way, it was a damn shame that nasty route wasn't rewarded with a TD. Gotta catch that!

Exactly NY. He did all the work to set up that score and flubbed the easy part the money part the TD. Shame all that work and no reward exactly what it is. At least he is really developing the art of separation that's what we need.

I'm still trying to figure out why he dipped down at the end. Was he trying to create the smallest strike zone possible for the free walk to first base?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
And this ignores the great designs Kyle called which got huge gains. It also ignores the strong possibility on a lot of those first and second downs that EXECUTION was the problem.

How about jimmy and the O did a great job of executing the plays on crucial downs that Kyle put in place? We can give both of them credit?

jimmy benefits from kyles system and play calling while Kyle benefits from Jimmys execution, accuracy, and composure.

Yup. Even if this was one of Kyle's most vanilla game plans ever.

The good news is if we play a 3rd string team in the playoffs, we know we can still have a come-from-behind win in the 4Q with a run-centric game plan playing behind the sticks.

When Mitchell got the ball on 1st down he had carries of 3 yds, 7 yds, 8 yds, 9 yds, 7 yds, 12 yds, 1 yd and 6 yds. When CMC got the ball on 1st down he had carries of 4 yds, -1 yd, -1 yd, 3 yds, 5 yds, 12 yds, 0 yds, 0 yds and -3 yds. When Deebo got the ball on 1st down he had carries of 15 yds, 5 yds and 0 yds. On 1st down, Jimmy threw 3 incompletions, was sacked once and kneeled once. Only 1 pass on 1st down that was completed didn't go for a 1st down but instead went for 8. And 1 pass on 1st down that would have moved the chains ended up being a fumble and a turnover. The only reason that 2nd and long stat that you are throwing around to knock Kyle exists is because most of CMC's 1st down carries went nowhere. Mitchell didn't have that problem running it on 1st down.

Back up a few more steps. The reason we're a 2nd and long offense is because every DC in the world knows we're running on first downs more than any other team with the exception of three others.

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That is not QB-friendly. That is not OL-friendly. IMHO, of course.

So why did Mitchell have so much success on 1st down?

I'm not arguing it still can't work. Like I said, it's no secret. The issue is when it's clear the defense is adjusting to it and winning.

If you want to get granular and say one RB was more successful, that's fine.

But the point is, Kyle's run-centric first-down tendency does not make life easy on that OL, RB and eventually, the QB and the passing game. It leaves no room for error esp. when the volume is so small to overcome so many 2nd and longs.

That starts with Kyle. But we as a fan base typically spend our time down stream with the passing game.

Kyle can make this a whole lot easier on everyone. And we've seen that first hand when he has come out more pass-centric and balanced.

But when we did throw the ball and the pass was completed it ended up as a 1st down a majority of the time. So there was no opportunity for a 2nd and short. When Mitchell ran the ball, it ended up being 2nd and short a majority of the time. When CMC ran the ball, it ended up being 2nd and long a majority of the time. You don't see the pattern?

It's not just Kyle here either. Penalties too and poor execution lead to a number of 2nd and longs. Not just the rushing attempts. It's really his first down offense but a big part of that IS the obvious tendency to run on first downs in between the tackles.

To your other point, it was clear to me Mitchell was clearly the better rusher. But that was another tendency. Kyle stuck with CMC on a series and then Mitchell on a series. But both were only used in the rush game minus a pass or two.

Mitchell had no issues running the ball in between the tackles on 1st down inspite of this known tendency you speak of. CMC is not a downhill runner. Calling CMC's number on 1st down to run in between the tackles was the real issue and I hope that Kyle sees that on film and gets that corrected ASAP.

That's fair. Another tell is that Juice is in there with one or the other. My guess is Mitchell and Juice are probably more in sync with the intricate blocking scheme together vs. CMC who's still learning all of the nuances thus far.

To elaborate, DL just noted on his pod even further than I did. We were actually cumulatively negative on 1st AND 2nd downs.

Also, this still is not a formula for making life easier on a QB or the OL...the original point.

Not sure why we don't evaluate a play caller like we do a backup QB. Is there any scenario out there where we're equally critical of a game plan and play caller (not directed to you, YAC)?

If Mitchell wasn't finding the success he was having than it would be justifiable to question the playcaller on 1st downs. If receivers aren't getting open consistently because of coverage than it would be justifiable to question the playcaller. I just don't see the evidence that backs up the negative take on Kyle's playcalling.

As far as 2nd down situations, this is the first time I have seen it brought up. What is your evidence to back up your claim that 2nd down is also an issue when it comes to playcalling? Perhaps I should dig into those stats? But first, I'd like to see where you are coming from when it comes to 2nd down so that I am not doing the research for nothing.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:

Originally posted by KegBert:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
I feel like I need cataract surgery after seeing some of the stills posted in here. This thread teetered back and forth along the lines of absurdity about 800 times, in both directions. Today it is one flew over the cuckoo's nest crazy.

Still shots do seem to be a slightly inadequate way to analyze such a frenetic game as football.

oh, completely lol

So you're saying you dont see the green arrow,...where the ball could've been placed without having Aiyuk in trouble? It's literally simply on the other side of his body...not 2 or 3 yards.





Red = leading into the defender
Green = Touchdown
Peach = A a catch most of the time w/Aiyuk perhaps,...but not always.

He's open.

I've watched the play.

just completely disingenuous and ludicrous to entertain this level of nit pick.

he dropped an easy TD.

100% Aiyuk here.

Apparently your take is false and there's screenshots from NES Metal Gear to prove it.

Why is this being drug out? Jimmy threw a catchable ball and Aiyuk dropped it. The end.

Buckle up, bro. This is going to linger all week. Random is like the terminator, he absolutely will not stop, until you are dead! Lol