Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by MasterBlaster:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Wow! This post is about as dumb as TD's posts about Jimmy today.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by MasterBlaster:
I think that most reasonable people saw yesterday where the problem truly lies. It's not the QB nor the weapons that are the problem, it's the play calling. How many times did we say, with 49ers down by two scores, oh that was GREAT call Kyle, keep being conservative, keep throwing or running those same stupid short plays that the other team has figured out, with no urgency. Right? Then we see the QB be clutch by going beyond what is normally allowed for him to do.

Jimmy used to do this stuff ALL the time before Kyle neutered him. Remember when Kittle had 220 yards in the 1st half, then ZERO in the 2nd? Why? Remember when Kyle threw away Moster & Jeff Wilson, two of his best 49er RBs, like they we were worn-out underwear? Why? Because Kyle is a gutless, petty narcissist that only trusts himself, thinks he is the only reason they win, and the rest are his peons that don't deserve trust or credit. He is THE problem! When the chips are down, he retreats into his "genius" ego and refuses to accept HE is failing. It's always someone else's fault. Can Kyle change? Idk.

Wow! This post is about as dumb as TD's posts about Jimmy today.

Wow! What a well thought out reply with great insight. Must be Kyle's love child, lol.

Thank you. I save the well thought out replies for those that are worth it. You can call me whatever you want but I have been critical of Kyle Shanahan plenty.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by krizay:
His redzone play calling. His not adjusting his pass plays when they take away our run (meaning still constantly motioning and play fakes when no one is biting) is my ONLY issues with Kyle.

This is just my opinion but I think kyle has his reservations on what he can call based on the personnel (QB).

They've been pretty good in RZ TD% in past yrs, but so far it's looked pretty meh. For me the pre-snap motion is to help the QB read the coverage (like others said, it's free no reason not to use it) now post snap that can change and the QB has to recognize that.

sucks I really wanted to see Lance and some more RPOs and read options, that's basically what McDainels is doing in Miami.

The only time Kyle hasn't had reservations about his QB (in the red zone especially) was in 2016 with the Falcons. I imagine if we had Julio Jones in his prime on this team, he would "trust" Jimmy more.

Julio Jones had 2 redzone touchdowns in 2016.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by krizay:
His redzone play calling. His not adjusting his pass plays when they take away our run (meaning still constantly motioning and play fakes when no one is biting) is my ONLY issues with Kyle.

This is just my opinion but I think kyle has his reservations on what he can call based on the personnel (QB).

They've been pretty good in RZ TD% in past yrs, but so far it's looked pretty meh. For me the pre-snap motion is to help the QB read the coverage (like others said, it's free no reason not to use it) now post snap that can change and the QB has to recognize that.

sucks I really wanted to see Lance and some more RPOs and read options, that's basically what McDainels is doing in Miami.

The only time Kyle hasn't had reservations about his QB (in the red zone especially) was in 2016 with the Falcons. I imagine if we had Julio Jones in his prime on this team, he would "trust" Jimmy more.

Julio Jones had 2 redzone touchdowns in 2016.

It's the KS philosophy. Surround yourself with elite weapons in the pass game. Use em to run block. Decoys ppl.. decoys! Can't have enough of em.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
NC what do you consider 2nd "and long" though? IMO, 2nd and long is much different than 3rd and long (for obvious reasons), and should be treated differently. Like, 2nd and 7 to me isnt 2nd and long, but 3rd and 7 is.

Just curious.

Me? I vacillate on 2nd and 7 or 2nd and 8. I'd be fine either way but to be clear, my focus is really 1st downs because we know the ripple effect that has on our passing game...like ANY penalty.

In years past, when we're picking up positive yards (3/4+), we're rolling. Kyle's playbook is fully opened.

But as we've seen with the I/OZ, so often we're in negative yards (2-4 yard losses). Boom or bust.

I think Kurt Warner touched on it well, that there are some easy schematic changes Kyle can make to make life a little easier on the QB and passing game and stay ahead of the sticks. Hence why CMC was such a huge addition.

This is why I watch first down production (or lack thereof); because of that ripple effect.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
even if we had Julio, NC says we won't throw to Julio anyways

Haha. With his size, he'd be his Jalen Hurd! What a run blocker!

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:


Julio Jones had 2 redzone touchdowns in 2016.

I almost posted the same thing

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:


Julio Jones had 2 redzone touchdowns in 2016.

I almost posted the same thing

Classic example of something sounding correct in theory but not in reality.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by krizay:
His redzone play calling. His not adjusting his pass plays when they take away our run (meaning still constantly motioning and play fakes when no one is biting) is my ONLY issues with Kyle.

This is just my opinion but I think kyle has his reservations on what he can call based on the personnel (QB).

They've been pretty good in RZ TD% in past yrs, but so far it's looked pretty meh. For me the pre-snap motion is to help the QB read the coverage (like others said, it's free no reason not to use it) now post snap that can change and the QB has to recognize that.

sucks I really wanted to see Lance and some more RPOs and read options, that's basically what McDainels is doing in Miami.

The only time Kyle hasn't had reservations about his QB (in the red zone especially) was in 2016 with the Falcons. I imagine if we had Julio Jones in his prime on this team, he would "trust" Jimmy more.

Julio Jones had 2 redzone touchdowns in 2016.

I stand corrected. Both Devonta Freeman (17) and Tevin Coleman (11) had more red zone targets than Jones (9). So it IS a Kyle problem.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
NC what do you consider 2nd "and long" though? IMO, 2nd and long is much different than 3rd and long (for obvious reasons), and should be treated differently. Like, 2nd and 7 to me isnt 2nd and long, but 3rd and 7 is.

Just curious.

Me? I vacillate on 2nd and 7 or 2nd and 8. I'd be fine either way but to be clear, my focus is really 1st downs because we know the ripple effect that has on our passing game...like ANY penalty.

In years past, when we're picking up positive yards (3/4+), we're rolling. Kyle's playbook is fully opened.

But as we've seen with the I/OZ, so often we're in negative yards (2-4 yard losses). Boom or bust.

I think Kurt Warner touched on it well, that there are some easy schematic changes Kyle can make to make life a little easier on the QB and passing game and stay ahead of the sticks. Hence why CMC was such a huge addition.

This is why I watch first down production (or lack thereof); because of that ripple effect.

And completely ignore the night and day difference in production between the two RB's on 1st down. All of the negative 1st down runs were from the same RB. On top of that, they were alternating series throughout the game. So it wasn't like CMC wore them down in the 1st half and Mitchell took advantage of it in the 2nd half. CMC just had a poor game rushing. That is it. Nothing more to it.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:


Julio Jones had 2 redzone touchdowns in 2016.

I almost posted the same thing

Classic example of something sounding correct in theory but not in reality.

Classic example of proving the point you've been arguing against for years, and not realizing it.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Classic example of something sounding correct in theory but not in reality.

Believe thats the name of Dave Lombardis youtube channel.

Originally posted by Furlow:
I stand corrected. Both Devonta Freeman (17) and Tevin Coleman (11) had more red zone targets than Jones (9). So it IS a Kyle problem.

Thanks for clearing that up.

If they were wide open and Jones was double covered why is that a problem?

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
NC what do you consider 2nd "and long" though? IMO, 2nd and long is much different than 3rd and long (for obvious reasons), and should be treated differently. Like, 2nd and 7 to me isnt 2nd and long, but 3rd and 7 is.

Just curious.

Me? I vacillate on 2nd and 7 or 2nd and 8. I'd be fine either way but to be clear, my focus is really 1st downs because we know the ripple effect that has on our passing game...like ANY penalty.

In years past, when we're picking up positive yards (3/4+), we're rolling. Kyle's playbook is fully opened.

But as we've seen with the I/OZ, so often we're in negative yards (2-4 yard losses). Boom or bust.

I think Kurt Warner touched on it well, that there are some easy schematic changes Kyle can make to make life a little easier on the QB and passing game and stay ahead of the sticks. Hence why CMC was such a huge addition.

This is why I watch first down production (or lack thereof); because of that ripple effect.

And completely ignore the night and day difference in production between the two RB's on 1st down. All of the negative 1st down runs were from the same RB. On top of that, they were alternating series throughout the game. So it wasn't like CMC wore them down in the 1st half and Mitchell took advantage of it in the 2nd half. CMC just had a poor game rushing. That is it. Nothing more to it.

So you think the Chargers played the two RB's EXACTLY the same way? And the OL blocked EXACTLY the same way for the two RB's? Seems quite doubtful. Perhaps the Chargers were just keyed in more on stopping CMC running.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:


Julio Jones had 2 redzone touchdowns in 2016.

I almost posted the same thing

Classic example of something sounding correct in theory but not in reality.

Classic example of proving the point you've been arguing against for years, and not realizing it.

Furlow out here playing 4D Chess

Maybe if KS had Mahomes and not the MVP of the league, he would have used Julio more.

If JG can simply elevate his game to Mahomes level.. then we can see the true KS.

Originally posted by Furlow:
I stand corrected. Both Devonta Freeman (17) and Tevin Coleman (11) had more red zone targets than Jones (9). So it IS a Kyle problem.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Anyone who thinks it isn't is fooling themselves.