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Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
This is just my opinion but I think kyle has his reservations on what he can call based on the personnel (QB).

They've been pretty good in RZ TD% in past yrs, but so far it's looked pretty meh. For me the pre-snap motion is to help the QB read the coverage (like others said, it's free no reason not to use it) now post snap that can change and the QB has to recognize that.

sucks I really wanted to see Lance and some more RPOs and read options, that's basically what McDainels is doing in Miami.

Redzone wise I completely agree it doesn't appear as if he trusts Jimmy. Which, pre 2022 I would completely understand. This year Jimmy playing with nothing to lose and IMO tis is the best version of Jimmy we've had since he's been here. Thus Kyle needs to open up that RZ offense some more

If he had Lance he would probably run more option stuff inside the 5. I would like to see more even with Jimmy. You don't have to be a great runner to run right and slide into a hole from 5 yards out if there is no receiver open. They now have too many weapons to be kicking FGs once they get a 1st down inside the 10 and especially inside the 5. Save Gould's leg for the long stuff.

3 Jimmy QB sneaks would be unstoppable.
Originally posted by 49ers81:
This place, I swear. Now it's red zone efficiency. We're not scoring more because Kyle doesn't 'trust' Jimmy. This newest lie, (oh, sorry, assertion) conveniently overlooks the fact that the 49ers were 4th in the league in red zone efficiency last year when it came to scoring TDs.

Buffalo was first at 66%. Then there was somebody with 65% and then Tampa Bay had 64.6% to our 64.4. So now, even though they were 4th in the league last year in this stat, Kyle has suddenly decided that he doesn't trust Jimmy to execute in the red zone and hasn't, 'for years'. The degree to which people just make stuff up Iin this thread is pretty astounding.

That's NY and 9ers4eva for ya.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by krizay:
Redzone wise I completely agree it doesn't appear as if he trusts Jimmy. Which, pre 2022 I would completely understand. This year Jimmy playing with nothing to lose and IMO tis is the best version of Jimmy we've had since he's been here. Thus Kyle needs to open up that RZ offense some more

He doesn't trust Jimmy. Clear as day. Has been for years.

It's why the argument about playcalling is weak. The argument on why they kept him is the valid one. I just think Faithful declaring that Kyle can't develop a QB when his guy has such a small sample is wrong. He has developed QBs consistently. It's just their ceilings were what they were. The elite QB's dont become elite just on the backs of coaching.

So he trusted him last year in the RZ and in the 4 minute offense but not now?

What were we last year in RZ efficiency if you remove the Deebo runs?

So Deebo was our RZ offense and 4 minute offense?

Last year? Yes.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
That is some low blow s**t right there, NC. But I still have love ya.

Love him too.

I bet Jimmy didnt get any sleep last night.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by krizay:
Redzone wise I completely agree it doesn't appear as if he trusts Jimmy. Which, pre 2022 I would completely understand. This year Jimmy playing with nothing to lose and IMO tis is the best version of Jimmy we've had since he's been here. Thus Kyle needs to open up that RZ offense some more

He doesn't trust Jimmy. Clear as day. Has been for years.

It's why the argument about playcalling is weak. The argument on why they kept him is the valid one. I just think Faithful declaring that Kyle can't develop a QB when his guy has such a small sample is wrong. He has developed QBs consistently. It's just their ceilings were what they were. The elite QB's dont become elite just on the backs of coaching.

So he trusted him last year in the RZ and in the 4 minute offense but not now?

What were we last year in RZ efficiency if you remove the Deebo runs?

So Deebo was our RZ offense and 4 minute offense?

Last year? Yes.

OK.
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Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Any time I see a KS doesn't 'trust' JG post.. I say to myself we need to fire whoever is picking the QBs.. which is KS.

Not fire him from HC, but from the QB picker role..

The best he has done in 6 years is JG a guy he doesn't 'trust'. That's bad..

Been yelling this for a LONG time. Not just QB's, the draft entirely. He falls in love with "system" guys at too many positions (WR, RB, TE especially) and overdrafts relative to their value. Far too many misses when better football players were available. Leave the draft to the GM who assesses talent full time. But yeah, the "lack of trust" in his QB argument is just plain silly when you're the one picking all of them.

Like you said, just need to find a way to get Mahomes and then the REAL Kyle will show up. Because as SWH pointed out, not even the combination of league MVP Matt Ryan and all-time great Julio Jones could bring it out of him.
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Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
NC what do you consider 2nd "and long" though? IMO, 2nd and long is much different than 3rd and long (for obvious reasons), and should be treated differently. Like, 2nd and 7 to me isnt 2nd and long, but 3rd and 7 is.

Just curious.

Me? I vacillate on 2nd and 7 or 2nd and 8. I'd be fine either way but to be clear, my focus is really 1st downs because we know the ripple effect that has on our passing game...like ANY penalty.

In years past, when we're picking up positive yards (3/4+), we're rolling. Kyle's playbook is fully opened.

But as we've seen with the I/OZ, so often we're in negative yards (2-4 yard losses). Boom or bust.

I think Kurt Warner touched on it well, that there are some easy schematic changes Kyle can make to make life a little easier on the QB and passing game and stay ahead of the sticks. Hence why CMC was such a huge addition.

This is why I watch first down production (or lack thereof); because of that ripple effect.

And completely ignore the night and day difference in production between the two RB's on 1st down. All of the negative 1st down runs were from the same RB. On top of that, they were alternating series throughout the game. So it wasn't like CMC wore them down in the 1st half and Mitchell took advantage of it in the 2nd half. CMC just had a poor game rushing. That is it. Nothing more to it.

So you think the Chargers played the two RB's EXACTLY the same way? And the OL blocked EXACTLY the same way for the two RB's? Seems quite doubtful. Perhaps the Chargers were just keyed in more on stopping CMC running.

Yes. Here's the gameplan. Lets shut down CMC and let that no body Mitchell gash us for 6+ yards on 1st down all game long. Also, the O line said, we like that guy Mitchell more than we do that new hotshot RB CMC. So we are going to block better for our boy Mitchell. F that CMC dude.

Not quite lol. They saw CMC absolutely torch the Rams, so they said "make someone else beat us." They were run blitzing 2-3 guys every time CMC carried the ball. The safeties were at the LOS to help by the time CMC got there. That's not a run read, that's a run blitz. I didn't see that when Mitchell was in, so he had more space to work, and the zone blocking was able to do it's job.

So you are saying that LAC's never adjusted to the other guy who was gashing the s**t out of them on 1st down all game long? Someone should fire that f**king coach. 😂

Not sure why you're trying to make a very complicated conversation and analysis so simple. There's a lot to it, it's not as simple as "CMC sucked and Mitchell was great against the Chargers."
Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
I bet Jimmy didnt get any sleep last night.

tis the season

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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
I bet Jimmy didnt get any sleep last night.

tis the season


Tough season for you so far, man. Maybe you'll luck out and Jimmy will get hurt like you keep hoping for.
Originally posted by NCommand:
That's NY and 9ers4eva for ya.

Im in that group as well. Plus us being efficient isn't necessarily him trusting Jimmy. I'm willing to be vet most of those conversions are run plays. Which is fine really. It just seems (no data to confirm my feelings) that it's run run run. Only pass if we got to.

Which I guess shouldn't be surprising considering that's what we are the other 80 yards as well for the most part.
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
I bet Jimmy didnt get any sleep last night.

tis the season


LOL
Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
I bet Jimmy didnt get any sleep last night.


Did you see Kittle tryna get his hand in there and get some love? The ladies weren't having it. Had him playing with ring afterwards, thinking "If Only"...
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
And this ignores the great designs Kyle called which got huge gains. It also ignores the strong possibility on a lot of those first and second downs that EXECUTION was the problem.

Yup.

Agreed. But not last Sunday. What, "great designs?"
Just going by the highlights, because I'm not paying the NFL for All 22 until they start putting up games from the 2000s, 1990s, and 1980s. (A lame protest, but if you don't hold true to what you believe in, what are you good for? I want those damn games, and the NFL isn't getting a cent from me until they are a part of the package.)

I'll give you one:

Deebo motions to the backfield. McCaffrey motions in an orbit, ball snapped, Deebo picks up 6. Why does this matter? It gets defenses thinking about it, which leads to:

Deebo in motion, McCaffrey runs a similar motion at the snap, but this time is faked a handoff, and that leads to Aiyuk catching 20 yard pass, with every linebacker vacating the passing lanes because they were worried about McCaffrey, and the safety following Deebo over the middle, leaving an absolutely wide ass open lane to throw the deep in. Of course, he fumbled it. But the design—including the set up plays—was brilliant. And some might argue he wouldn't have fumbled it if he didn't need to catch such a high pass. But that's not what I'm discussing here.

And then later in the game, McCaffrey again comes in orbit motion with Deebo in the backfield, and once again there is a playfake (to Deebo this time), and the whole defense follows, so McCaffrey can be wide open on the swing. Which incidentally has great designed blocking (via routes which get them in position, like a glorified screen pass), and McCaffrey gets inside the five yard line.

And then later int he game, the same orbit motion, this time with Deebo, with McCaffrey also in the backfield, with a playfake to Deebo, which moves linebackers, and followed by a rail route to McCaffrey which nearly goes the distance, if not for the Charger guy getting just enough of him for him to lose his balance out of bounds.

And then McCaffrey does the orbit motion with Deebo in the backfield, drawing defensive eyes once more, except it's a handoff to Deebo who gets around fifteen yards, despite Aiyuk whiffing on his initial block.

All from essentially one design plan.

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Also, for free, I'll give you one more none of you have considered: the key third down to Jennings. You'll note where the playcall had him breaking out. It wasn't at the yard to gain, where everyone and their mom would have expected. It was five or six yards passed it. Reminds me of our first Super Bowl win, when all season passes that went 20 yards down field were deep passes, and the 49ers did some deep comebacks that were wide open off of it. It was a great tendency breaker.
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by NCommand:
That's NY and 9ers4eva for ya.

Im in that group as well. Plus us being efficient isn't necessarily him trusting Jimmy. I'm willing to be vet most of those conversions are run plays. Which is fine really. It just seems (no data to confirm my feelings) that it's run run run. Only pass if we got to.

Which I guess shouldn't be surprising considering that's what we are the other 80 yards as well for the most part.

LOL. Exactly.

I fully understand that feeling. He does make some boneheaded plays down there at times.
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