Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Furlow:
I did not post that. Nor have I seen anyone use his looks as an excuse for poor play. Even Jimmy's strongest defenders admit when he plays poorly or mades bad throws (like the one against KC). There is NO counterexample to the handful of extreme Jimmy haters that say he sucks, is carried, etc. NO ONE is saying the opposite and that he's elite, carries the team, is the only reason we're winning, etc. The extremism comes from one side only.

Ncommand has been doing that very thing. Saying Jimmy carried Kyle Sunday.

He went from a good poster to a contrarian comedian

Lol. Like injuries, maybe it just takes you two 8 more years of evidence before you see the truth.

You just said Jimmy made up for Kyles playcall by executing a playcall by Kyle. You understand how asinine that stance is right? Is funny how you think you're always right.

You see how "execution" is a weaker argument here? How a play caller can never be at fault? He literally has to dial up ANY play call...even if just one single go route on 3rd and 30 and "execution" will still get the focus. Note how none of these 3rd downs were schemed open or fooled the defense? All were 3rd and long? Contested? You don't get credit points for writing your name on the test.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Furlow:
I did not post that. Nor have I seen anyone use his looks as an excuse for poor play. Even Jimmy's strongest defenders admit when he plays poorly or mades bad throws (like the one against KC). There is NO counterexample to the handful of extreme Jimmy haters that say he sucks, is carried, etc. NO ONE is saying the opposite and that he's elite, carries the team, is the only reason we're winning, etc. The extremism comes from one side only.

Ncommand has been doing that very thing. Saying Jimmy carried Kyle Sunday.

I think he's being a bit hyperbolic lol, but even if he's dead serious, that's one game. He's not saying that Jimmy is our best player or carrying the team in the way that the haters say he's our weakest link and getting carried.

Haha. I literally said "this game." From Maiocco to Biderman to Crocker to Panelli to Barrows to Lombardi, etc. all have also noted this was a very vanilla and conservative game plan and it took Jimmy and the passing game to bail it out on 3rd downs in the clutch.

Only in the WZ will a small loud minority think this was a great game plan (or a player towing the company line coming off 1 catch).

I fully expect Kyle to have a better game plan this week because he tends to respond when he's questioned about it. LOL. Whatever it takes!

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Perhaps the issue is there are posters who will never admit to it when Jimmy has a poor performance. They always try to change the subject to how good looking the guy is instead of facing the ugly truth. I don't care how good looking someone is, they are not exempt from criticism for piss poor play.

With that said, Jimmy is having a career season imo. His TD% is good and his INT% is low. He is completing a decent amount of passes outside of his comfort zone and he is forcing less passes into tight coverage. I actually cannot ask much more from him. I hope he keeps it up.

But we do it admit when Jimmy has a poor performance, but people like you who expect us to admit it don't seem to remember when we do. Then you guys keep saying this.

And yes he's having a good year, I still think he's a top 12-15 QB in this league. Yes, he's not elite, but like I've always said, you don't need a elite QB to win a Super Bowl.

People like me? 🤣 What people am I?

I said you, because "You" are the one posting it.

Oh, I thought you were going to call me a Jimmy hater. My praises and criticism goes up and down as Jimmy's performances go up and down.

The post I made was directed at a select few who always bring up Jimmy's looks in defense of his poor performances as if it makes up for them. Are you one of those poster's? Just asking since it seems I struck a nerve.

I admittedly read less than 50% of the posts in this thread, but I don't remember seeing what you're describing... Is there a recent example or does this go back a ways?

Yes. Furlow posted this yesterday.

"Poor Jimmy. So handsome, yet so hated."

I have never seen anyone post personal hateful things about Jimmy. I have only seen folks criticize his poor performances and question his leadership off the field. To make it seem like fans on this forum hate Jimmy as a person is disingenuous and needs to stop.

I did not post that. Nor have I sent anyone use his looks as an excuse for poor play. Even Jimmy's strongest defenders admit when he plays poorly or mades bad throws (like the one against KC). There is NO counterexample to the handful of extreme Jimmy haters that say he sucks, is carried, etc. NO ONE is saying the opposite and that he's elite, carries the team, is the only reason we're winning, etc. The extremism comes from one side only.

Sorry. It was random who posted it.

Random who is a Jimmy hater, so obviously he was being sarcastic. Again, I've never seen anyone use his looks as an excuse for poor play. That's a reach.

I gues we all just see what we want. So is random a Jimmy hater or is he a Jimmy critic?

Random had hundreds of posts trying to convince us that it was Jimmy's fault for Kittles's drop against Green Bay. And used a fuzzy, off angle picture with arrows to try to prove it was Jimmy's fault for Aiyuk's dropped touchdown.

Do you really need me to tell you which group he's in?

LOL.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Perhaps the issue is there are posters who will never admit to it when Jimmy has a poor performance. They always try to change the subject to how good looking the guy is instead of facing the ugly truth. I don't care how good looking someone is, they are not exempt from criticism for piss poor play.

With that said, Jimmy is having a career season imo. His TD% is good and his INT% is low. He is completing a decent amount of passes outside of his comfort zone and he is forcing less passes into tight coverage. I actually cannot ask much more from him. I hope he keeps it up.

But we do it admit when Jimmy has a poor performance, but people like you who expect us to admit it don't seem to remember when we do. Then you guys keep saying this.

And yes he's having a good year, I still think he's a top 12-15 QB in this league. Yes, he's not elite, but like I've always said, you don't need a elite QB to win a Super Bowl.

People like me? 🤣 What people am I?

I said you, because "You" are the one posting it.

Oh, I thought you were going to call me a Jimmy hater. My praises and criticism goes up and down as Jimmy's performances go up and down.

The post I made was directed at a select few who always bring up Jimmy's looks in defense of his poor performances as if it makes up for them. Are you one of those poster's? Just asking since it seems I struck a nerve.

I admittedly read less than 50% of the posts in this thread, but I don't remember seeing what you're describing... Is there a recent example or does this go back a ways?

Yes. Furlow posted this yesterday.

"Poor Jimmy. So handsome, yet so hated."

I have never seen anyone post personal hateful things about Jimmy. I have only seen folks criticize his poor performances and question his leadership off the field. To make it seem like fans on this forum hate Jimmy as a person is disingenuous and needs to stop.

I did not post that. Nor have I sent anyone use his looks as an excuse for poor play. Even Jimmy's strongest defenders admit when he plays poorly or mades bad throws (like the one against KC). There is NO counterexample to the handful of extreme Jimmy haters that say he sucks, is carried, etc. NO ONE is saying the opposite and that he's elite, carries the team, is the only reason we're winning, etc. The extremism comes from one side only.

Sorry. It was random who posted it.

Random who is a Jimmy hater, so obviously he was being sarcastic. Again, I've never seen anyone use his looks as an excuse for poor play. That's a reach.

I gues we all just see what we want. So is random a Jimmy hater or is he a Jimmy critic?

Random had hundreds of posts trying to convince us that it was Jimmy's fault for Kittles's drop against Green Bay. And used a fuzzy, off angle picture with arrows to try to prove it was Jimmy's fault for Aiyuk's dropped touchdown.

Do you really need me to tell you which group he's in?

Being critical is not the same as being hateful. Do I really need to explain the difference to you?

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Perhaps the issue is there are posters who will never admit to it when Jimmy has a poor performance. They always try to change the subject to how good looking the guy is instead of facing the ugly truth. I don't care how good looking someone is, they are not exempt from criticism for piss poor play.

With that said, Jimmy is having a career season imo. His TD% is good and his INT% is low. He is completing a decent amount of passes outside of his comfort zone and he is forcing less passes into tight coverage. I actually cannot ask much more from him. I hope he keeps it up.

But we do it admit when Jimmy has a poor performance, but people like you who expect us to admit it don't seem to remember when we do. Then you guys keep saying this.

And yes he's having a good year, I still think he's a top 12-15 QB in this league. Yes, he's not elite, but like I've always said, you don't need a elite QB to win a Super Bowl.

People like me? 🤣 What people am I?

I said you, because "You" are the one posting it.

Oh, I thought you were going to call me a Jimmy hater. My praises and criticism goes up and down as Jimmy's performances go up and down.

The post I made was directed at a select few who always bring up Jimmy's looks in defense of his poor performances as if it makes up for them. Are you one of those poster's? Just asking since it seems I struck a nerve.

I admittedly read less than 50% of the posts in this thread, but I don't remember seeing what you're describing... Is there a recent example or does this go back a ways?

Yes. Furlow posted this yesterday.

"Poor Jimmy. So handsome, yet so hated."

I have never seen anyone post personal hateful things about Jimmy. I have only seen folks criticize his poor performances and question his leadership off the field. To make it seem like fans on this forum hate Jimmy as a person is disingenuous and needs to stop.

I did not post that. Nor have I sent anyone use his looks as an excuse for poor play. Even Jimmy's strongest defenders admit when he plays poorly or mades bad throws (like the one against KC). There is NO counterexample to the handful of extreme Jimmy haters that say he sucks, is carried, etc. NO ONE is saying the opposite and that he's elite, carries the team, is the only reason we're winning, etc. The extremism comes from one side only.

Sorry. It was random who posted it.

Random who is a Jimmy hater, so obviously he was being sarcastic. Again, I've never seen anyone use his looks as an excuse for poor play. That's a reach.

I gues we all just see what we want. So is random a Jimmy hater or is he a Jimmy critic?

Random had hundreds of posts trying to convince us that it was Jimmy's fault for Kittles's drop against Green Bay. And used a fuzzy, off angle picture with arrows to try to prove it was Jimmy's fault for Aiyuk's dropped touchdown.

Do you really need me to tell you which group he's in?

Being critical is not the same as being hateful. Do I really need to explain the difference to you?

Please do

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Being critical is not the same as being hateful. Do I really need to explain the difference to you?

Good luck

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Perhaps the issue is there are posters who will never admit to it when Jimmy has a poor performance. They always try to change the subject to how good looking the guy is instead of facing the ugly truth. I don't care how good looking someone is, they are not exempt from criticism for piss poor play.

With that said, Jimmy is having a career season imo. His TD% is good and his INT% is low. He is completing a decent amount of passes outside of his comfort zone and he is forcing less passes into tight coverage. I actually cannot ask much more from him. I hope he keeps it up.

But we do it admit when Jimmy has a poor performance, but people like you who expect us to admit it don't seem to remember when we do. Then you guys keep saying this.

And yes he's having a good year, I still think he's a top 12-15 QB in this league. Yes, he's not elite, but like I've always said, you don't need a elite QB to win a Super Bowl.

People like me? 🤣 What people am I?

I said you, because "You" are the one posting it.

Oh, I thought you were going to call me a Jimmy hater. My praises and criticism goes up and down as Jimmy's performances go up and down.

The post I made was directed at a select few who always bring up Jimmy's looks in defense of his poor performances as if it makes up for them. Are you one of those poster's? Just asking since it seems I struck a nerve.

I admittedly read less than 50% of the posts in this thread, but I don't remember seeing what you're describing... Is there a recent example or does this go back a ways?

Yes. Furlow posted this yesterday.

"Poor Jimmy. So handsome, yet so hated."

I have never seen anyone post personal hateful things about Jimmy. I have only seen folks criticize his poor performances and question his leadership off the field. To make it seem like fans on this forum hate Jimmy as a person is disingenuous and needs to stop.

I did not post that. Nor have I sent anyone use his looks as an excuse for poor play. Even Jimmy's strongest defenders admit when he plays poorly or mades bad throws (like the one against KC). There is NO counterexample to the handful of extreme Jimmy haters that say he sucks, is carried, etc. NO ONE is saying the opposite and that he's elite, carries the team, is the only reason we're winning, etc. The extremism comes from one side only.

Sorry. It was random who posted it.

Random who is a Jimmy hater, so obviously he was being sarcastic. Again, I've never seen anyone use his looks as an excuse for poor play. That's a reach.

I gues we all just see what we want. So is random a Jimmy hater or is he a Jimmy critic?

Random had hundreds of posts trying to convince us that it was Jimmy's fault for Kittles's drop against Green Bay. And used a fuzzy, off angle picture with arrows to try to prove it was Jimmy's fault for Aiyuk's dropped touchdown.

Do you really need me to tell you which group he's in?

Being critical is not the same as being hateful. Do I really need to explain the difference to you?

Would you call those arguments that he made that I just described as "being critical?" Come on, man. You, NY, Waterbear, even SWH (for the most part) are "critical." The rest are obvious haters that just want him off the team and clearly hope he plays badly so they can say "I told you so."

I think most of us are critical of him. Like I said I cussed at him while watching the game a couple of times on those high screens. His play is simply good enough that I don't feel the need to come in here and talk about the few bonehead plays he makes. Particularly when the loudest group BY FAR in here are the haters who go on and on about it.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Furlow:
I did not post that. Nor have I seen anyone use his looks as an excuse for poor play. Even Jimmy's strongest defenders admit when he plays poorly or mades bad throws (like the one against KC). There is NO counterexample to the handful of extreme Jimmy haters that say he sucks, is carried, etc. NO ONE is saying the opposite and that he's elite, carries the team, is the only reason we're winning, etc. The extremism comes from one side only.

Ncommand has been doing that very thing. Saying Jimmy carried Kyle Sunday.

I think he's being a bit hyperbolic lol, but even if he's dead serious, that's one game. He's not saying that Jimmy is our best player or carrying the team in the way that the haters say he's our weakest link and getting carried.

Haha. I literally said "this game." From Maiocco to Biderman to Crocker to Panelli to Barrows to Lombardi, etc. all have also noted this was a very vanilla and conservative game plan and it took Jimmy and the passing game to bail it out on 3rd downs in the clutch.

Only in the WZ will a small loud minority think this was a great game plan (or a player towing the company line coming off 1 catch).

I fully expect Kyle to have a better game plan this week because he tends to respond when he's questioned about it. LOL. Whatever it takes!

Yes "one game." But I'm sure you wouldn't make the argument that "Kyle sucked" last game and Jimmy "carried him." Did Jimmy bail Kyle out multiple times on 3rd and long? Absolutely. But Kyle deserves credit for setting up some of those chunk plays, even if it meant running into a stacked box over and over again. And also designing some of those chunk plays. It wasn't ALL Jimmy, which again, I haven't heard you say.

I think the word "carry" is being used way too f**king much in this thread and on this forum. We're talking about the most complex sport in the world, 11 v 11, multiple moving parts every single play. No player nor coach is carrying everyone nor getting carried by everyone. That whole argument is as simpleton as it gets. Leave that for 49ATT.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
You just said Jimmy made up for Kyles playcall by executing a playcall by Kyle. You understand how asinine that stance is right? Is funny how you think you're always right.

He needs to watch another Dave Lombardi video before he can get back to you

Originally posted by Furlow:
Yes "one game." But I'm sure you wouldn't make the argument that "Kyle sucked" last game and Jimmy "carried him." Did Jimmy bail Kyle out multiple times on 3rd and long? Absolutely. But Kyle deserves credit for setting up some of those chunk plays, even if it meant running into a stacked box over and over again. And also designing some of those chunk plays. It wasn't ALL Jimmy, which again, I haven't heard you say.

I think the word "carry" is being used way too f**king much in this thread and on this forum. We're talking about the most complex sport in the world, 11 v 11, multiple moving parts every single play. No player nor coach is carrying everyone nor getting carried by everyone. That whole argument is as simpleton as it gets. Leave that for 49ATT.

That's the exact argument he has made. His whole shtick is Kyle is limiting Jimmy by not giving him an offense that "fits" him. So yah Jimmy is carrying Kyles bad offense. The offense that is #1 in passing DVOA even with a guy you even admit isn't elite.

Saying Jimmy bailed out Kyle is absolutely giving no credit to the actual playcall.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Furlow:
I did not post that. Nor have I seen anyone use his looks as an excuse for poor play. Even Jimmy's strongest defenders admit when he plays poorly or mades bad throws (like the one against KC). There is NO counterexample to the handful of extreme Jimmy haters that say he sucks, is carried, etc. NO ONE is saying the opposite and that he's elite, carries the team, is the only reason we're winning, etc. The extremism comes from one side only.

Ncommand has been doing that very thing. Saying Jimmy carried Kyle Sunday.

I think he's being a bit hyperbolic lol, but even if he's dead serious, that's one game. He's not saying that Jimmy is our best player or carrying the team in the way that the haters say he's our weakest link and getting carried.

Haha. I literally said "this game." From Maiocco to Biderman to Crocker to Panelli to Barrows to Lombardi, etc. all have also noted this was a very vanilla and conservative game plan and it took Jimmy and the passing game to bail it out on 3rd downs in the clutch.

Only in the WZ will a small loud minority think this was a great game plan (or a player towing the company line coming off 1 catch).

I fully expect Kyle to have a better game plan this week because he tends to respond when he's questioned about it. LOL. Whatever it takes!

Yes "one game." But I'm sure you wouldn't make the argument that "Kyle sucked" last game and Jimmy "carried him." Did Jimmy bail Kyle out multiple times on 3rd and long? Absolutely. But Kyle deserves credit for setting up some of those chunk plays, even if it meant running into a stacked box over and over again. And also designing some of those chunk plays. It wasn't ALL Jimmy, which again, I haven't heard you say.

I think the word "carry" is being used way too f**king much in this thread and on this forum. We're talking about the most complex sport in the world, 11 v 11, multiple moving parts every single play. No player nor coach is carrying everyone nor getting carried by everyone. That whole argument is as simpleton as it gets. Leave that for 49ATT.

You're such a 49er hater lol

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Yes "one game." But I'm sure you wouldn't make the argument that "Kyle sucked" last game and Jimmy "carried him." Did Jimmy bail Kyle out multiple times on 3rd and long? Absolutely. But Kyle deserves credit for setting up some of those chunk plays, even if it meant running into a stacked box over and over again. And also designing some of those chunk plays. It wasn't ALL Jimmy, which again, I haven't heard you say.

I think the word "carry" is being used way too f**king much in this thread and on this forum. We're talking about the most complex sport in the world, 11 v 11, multiple moving parts every single play. No player nor coach is carrying everyone nor getting carried by everyone. That whole argument is as simpleton as it gets. Leave that for 49ATT.

That's the exact argument he has made. His whole shtick is Kyle is limiting Jimmy by not giving him an offense that "fits" him. So yah Jimmy is carrying Kyles bad offense. The offense that is #1 in passing DVOA even with a guy you even admit isn't elite.

I think there is a lot of truth to that. Kyle has a way that he wants his offense to run, and he's tried to mold Jimmy (and every QB he's ever coached) to it. Hence the strained relationship this season because Jimmy has had enough of it, and wants to sling it more (he stated as such). It's clear they're butting heads, and I think that is EXACTLY why we're seeing better play from Jimmy this season. Kyle is loosening the reigns a bit, and Jimmy is also limiting bone head plays. They each had to give in a little bit in order to get more of what they want. This give and take between QB and head coach/play caller is crucial to a team's success, and you can't have one dominating the other too much.

Originally posted by Furlow:
I think there is a lot of truth to that. Kyle has a way that he wants his offense to run, and he's tried to mold Jimmy (and every QB he's ever coached) to it. Hence the strained relationship this season because Jimmy has had enough of it, and wants to sling it more (he stated as such). It's clear they're butting heads, and I think that is EXACTLY why we're seeing better play from Jimmy this season. Kyle is loosening the reigns a bit, and Jimmy is also limiting bone head plays. They each had to give in a little bit in order to get more of what they want. This give and take between QB and head coach/play caller is crucial to a team's success, and you can't have one dominating the other too much.

Theres zero truth to it on my end. Kyle is doing what is best for this team, which is Jimmy throwing less. Jimmy might not like it but Kyle is protecting Jimmy from himself. It's what Ken Dorsey needs to do to Josh Allen right now and he IS an elite guy.

Jimmy was at his best in 2019. He's not gonna be better having more responsibility IMO. Just get the ball to the playmakers within the offense.

#1 passing DVOA. Offense doesn't need to change so Jimmy has more responsibility. Jimmy just needs to be a tad more aggressive when the plays are there and eliminate the bonehead decisions. He's doing the latter the last two games which is a positive. Now work on the former.