Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Perhaps the issue is there are posters who will never admit to it when Jimmy has a poor performance. They always try to change the subject to how good looking the guy is instead of facing the ugly truth. I don't care how good looking someone is, they are not exempt from criticism for piss poor play.

With that said, Jimmy is having a career season imo. His TD% is good and his INT% is low. He is completing a decent amount of passes outside of his comfort zone and he is forcing less passes into tight coverage. I actually cannot ask much more from him. I hope he keeps it up.

But we do it admit when Jimmy has a poor performance, but people like you who expect us to admit it don't seem to remember when we do. Then you guys keep saying this.

And yes he's having a good year, I still think he's a top 12-15 QB in this league. Yes, he's not elite, but like I've always said, you don't need a elite QB to win a Super Bowl.

People like me? 🤣 What people am I?

I said you, because "You" are the one posting it.

Oh, I thought you were going to call me a Jimmy hater. My praises and criticism goes up and down as Jimmy's performances go up and down.

The post I made was directed at a select few who always bring up Jimmy's looks in defense of his poor performances as if it makes up for them. Are you one of those poster's? Just asking since it seems I struck a nerve.

I admittedly read less than 50% of the posts in this thread, but I don't remember seeing what you're describing... Is there a recent example or does this go back a ways?

Yes. Furlow posted this yesterday.

"Poor Jimmy. So handsome, yet so hated."

I have never seen anyone post personal hateful things about Jimmy. I have only seen folks criticize his poor performances and question his leadership off the field. To make it seem like fans on this forum hate Jimmy as a person is disingenuous and needs to stop.

I did not post that. Nor have I sent anyone use his looks as an excuse for poor play. Even Jimmy's strongest defenders admit when he plays poorly or mades bad throws (like the one against KC). There is NO counterexample to the handful of extreme Jimmy haters that say he sucks, is carried, etc. NO ONE is saying the opposite and that he's elite, carries the team, is the only reason we're winning, etc. The extremism comes from one side only.

Sorry. It was random who posted it.

Random who is a Jimmy hater, so obviously he was being sarcastic. Again, I've never seen anyone use his looks as an excuse for poor play. That's a reach.

I gues we all just see what we want. So is random a Jimmy hater or is he a Jimmy critic?

Does it matter? He didn't post that to defend Garoppolo.

Criticism and defending are opposite terms. I've come very close to defending him recently,...@ least questioning the playcalling early in games and the way we seem to want to milk the clock instead of attempt to build leads.

Is that enough for you? Or do I have to lay my life on the line for the guy?? Sheesh.

Some of you are far too sensitive. No one "hates" Jimmy. What some of us do hate is extreme exaggeration and trying to be silenced for calling the color blue, "blue."

The previous poster had it right. I'm a critic. Furlow and others parade a term like "hate" and namecall people as "haters" over and over because they don't wish to discuss the team or posts about the team, but would rather enjoy off-topic infighting about each other. I'll criticize posters as well but in the frame of what they are saying or in a few cases here, "promoting:,....as if they've been hired or are relatives of said players or coaches.

e.g.,...what does being a Jimmy hater or a lover have to do with his 3rd down % or his current air yard stats compared to other QBs around the league?

How does this lover/hater thing go, anyway? If I love him, I will ignore the bad stats and if I hate him, I will bring them up for discussion on a messageboard? Does this even halfway make sense to sensible people that come to a discussion forum?

It's an inciteful term that people will quickly deny,....so that is why they will continue saying it, regardless of how some of us reply to it. Doesn't bother me so I let them have their fun.

What is this mess? Nothing you posted is relevant to the posts you quoted. Also, why edit my post in your response?

We need a dang football game and a Mexico City what was that play to get us back on the right track here ppl

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
What is this mess? Nothing you posted is relevant to the posts you quoted. Also, why edit my post in your response?

The poster asked if I'm a critic (obviously I am).

You said I'm not defending him.

Well,... criticism and defense are basically antonyms. It's really as simple as that.

I want to trim off the fat so you can see how off you were in replying to who you was replying to. But you're right,...I wasn't defending him in that case. And he was right, I'm generally a critic. Not necessarily of a player,...but of posts I vehemently disagree with. Today it's about Jimmy,...tomorrow it can be about how Aiyuk's actually a good player or how [I dont think] we need to fire our training staff because Verrett got injured again. So what?

If you just go off my post history it would seem like I dont agree with ANYBODY here,...lol. No,...I just generally post about what I disagree with. How are 20 replies to 1 topic showing that everyone replying agrees productive conversation? That can be answered in a poll (Great job Waterbear),...and legit discussion can ensue.

Unlike most others,...if you challenge my opinion I have no problem going back and referencing evidence for my stance. The fact that I'm able to do this actually angers a few here,....lol. I guess evidence is only for them and not regular posters?

How about the other stuff though that's kinda like defense of him? I questioned the playcalling EARLY in the game. I've grown tired of a few trends in it, unless our playcaller is just really really scared of our current QB. I wait till trends before I take a hardline stance, but I'm tired of it. Jimmy's not calling the plays.

Is that stuff good enough for you? I can screenshot the comments since Sunday if you like.

How do I get out of Jimmy Jail?

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Random had hundreds of posts trying to convince us that it was Jimmy's fault for Kittles's drop against Green Bay.

Why bring up old stuff with no link? I have no clue what you're talking about. This is the Jimmy thread so it's very easy for a learned man like yourself to simply quote me on it since you want to rediscuss it.

If you are going to complain about stuff that's a year old, how bout we do it in context and hash it out, since that is your interest? Or is your only true interest to incite with no evidence and continue the train?

I'm all about evidence/links/information to back up a point someone is making. Can you do the same? Ever?

No clue what I'm talking about? Lol bruh.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

You expect your Pro Bowl level TE to make this catch but let's look @ this one a little closer:



Notice how the ball hits him as he's running full speed on the trailing shoulder pad. It's not @ least in the middle or towards the front. He reacted to the ball a little late handwise, and kinda had to curl them up in a fetal position to attempt a hand grab.

Move that pass to the center of his chest, the front shoulder pad, or in front of him as we'd want,....and it's a solid big play. One of the frustrating things about our QB play are too many plays like this. They add up.

Kittle comes back and makes a play he shouldn'tve made on his very next catch. So for him, it evens out. Our QB isin't good enough to do the same.

"lets blame JImmy"
I knew it.

Kittle had to T-Rex his damn arms, lol. Curl your arms up in the same way and try to catch a football. Then post it and let's see how well you do.

Looks like a cleaner pass than it really was. You want one to blame on pass catcher? Show the ones to Aiyuk and Jennings. Those were just flat out drops IIRC.

This one to Kittle highlights one of Jimmy's main weaknesses on plays that should've been big gainers. Too many.

This went on for DAYS, man. You're hard at work today trying to pretend that you're just "criticizing." You even have YAC defending you a bit. You're off the deep end, man. Your arguments are absolutely terrible and make no sense. At least 49ATT and 49Ring just admit that they hate Jimmy.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
The term hater is used to incite those who criticize Jimmy. Exactly what random stated and the exact point I was trying to make. The terms used should be critic and defender. You are a Jimmy critic or a Jimmy defender. If those two terms were used, there would be a lot less bs and a lot more solid discussion in this thread.

Sorry bro, but this is BS. There are a few of you who are genuinely criticizing Jimmy. I don't think anyone disagrees with most of that type of criticism. The problem is the small but very loud group of over the top posters who say ridiculous things like Jimmy was to blame for the Aiyuk touchdown and Kittle drop against Green Bay, Jimmy sucks, Jimmy is getting carried, etc. What would help is if the group of genuine criticizers pushed back against this loud group of haters and told them to go pound sand. Or if the mods just booted them out for not contributing to the discussion.

Again, there is no counter to the group of loud haters. None. No one is saying Jimmy is elite, or great, or carrying the team, etc. NO ONE. So stop comparing the two groups as if it's even on both sides, because it's not.

Originally posted by random49er:
The poster asked if I'm a critic (obviously I am).

You said I'm not defending him.

Well,... criticism and defense are basically antonyms. It's really as simple as that.

I want to trim off the fat so you can see how off you were in replying to who you was replying to. But you're right,...I wasn't defending him in that case. And he was right, I'm generally a critic. Not necessarily of a player,...but of posts I vehemently disagree with. Today it's about Jimmy,...tomorrow it can be about how Aiyuk's actually a good player or how [I dont think] we need to fire our training staff because Verrett got injured again. So what?

If you just go off my post history it would seem like I dont agree with ANYBODY here,...lol. No,...I just generally post about what I disagree with. How are 20 replies to 1 topic about how everyone agrees productive conversation? That can be answered in a poll (Great job Waterbear),...and legit discussion can ensue.

Unlike most others,...if you challenge my opinion I have no problem going back and referencing evidence for my stance. The fact that I'm able to do this actually angers a few here,....lol. I guess evidence is only for them and not regular posters?

How about the other stuff though that's kinda like defense of him? I questioned the playcalling EARLY in the game. I've grown tired of a few trends in it, unless our playcaller is just really really scared of our current QB. I wait till trends before I take a hardline stance, but I'm tired of it. Jimmy's not calling the plays.

Is that stuff good enough for you? I can screenshot the comments since Sunday if you like.

How do I get out of Jimmy Jail?

Maybe you should conceptualize it as criticism of your criticism. Therefore we are all one. We are all critics.

Also avoid the binary. Ppl say I am prez of the fanclub I don't feel that way and never ran for office to begin with! I point out his missed TDs on a platter vs LAR, KC, his poor DEN game and his lack of putting it down the field with any consistency or skill, also I mention his inability to throw away and his consistent ability to get himself in trouble when not throwing when the back foot hits, he holds the ball effs up usually.

I criticize the critics who revert to the binary and refuse to read my criticism!

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
The term hater is used to incite those who criticize Jimmy. Exactly what random stated and the exact point I was trying to make. The terms used should be critic and defender. You are a Jimmy critic or a Jimmy defender. If those two terms were used, there would be a lot less bs and a lot more solid discussion in this thread.

Sorry bro, but this is BS. There are a few of you who are genuinely criticizing Jimmy. I don't think anyone disagrees with most of that type of criticism. The problem is the small but very loud group of over the top posters who say ridiculous things like Jimmy was to blame for the Aiyuk touchdown and Kittle drop against Green Bay, Jimmy sucks, Jimmy is getting carried, etc. What would help is if the group of genuine criticizers pushed back against this loud group of haters and told them to go pound sand. Or if the mods just booted them out for not contributing to the discussion.

Again, there is no counter to the group of loud haters. None. No one is saying Jimmy is elite, or great, or carrying the team, etc. NO ONE. So stop comparing the two groups as if it's even on both sides, because it's not.

You are correct. They have no counter and is the reason why they bring up how good looking he is.

Originally posted by Furlow:
No clue what I'm talking about? Lol bruh.

This went on for DAYS, man.

I dont care anything about how long something went on. Leave the fluff out and let's discuss substance. This is similar in some forms to the Aiyuk play I disagreed with you on as well....

So the trend is clear,...players breaking on routes and balls that end up kind of behind them or (in this case) right on their back shoulder. If you feel that every player should be able to turn and instantly catch a pass right on top of their side with their HANDS while their momentum is going the other way then I doubt that you've ever really played football.



Hmmm,...you seem to moreso be part of the tribe that want to highlight every ball that touches a receiver as a "catchable ball" and how "great" of a job Jimmy did in completing it because,...well, he's Jimmy G.

I disagree. You're running a route and you turn your body and the ball is on your trailing shoulder pad. Have you ever ran a route full speed before and had someone who can dart an NFL pass throw to you?

It's not easy as it looks. I see Kittle's body turning in this play. I see where he probably didnt have enough time to reach back for it and grab it with his hands and had to attempt to alligator arm it.

For all I know,...Kittle ran a bad route and didnt get his head around when he was supposed to.

OR,...the pass should've/could've been more in front of him so he can naturally catch the ball.

If you are on the bandwagon that says passes like these are 100% on the pass catcher then obviously I disagree. The reasons why are above and completely justified.

If they aren't.....stop the corny jokes and gaslighting and disagree with my comments above with actual substance.

I've posted numerous gifs here. How bout you post a clear one, Furlow, so we can have more to go on regarding this play, since you clearly want to bring it back up.

Excited to read Furlow's proof of where I'm wrong on the old ass topic above.

I mean,....you can instantly freeze as you're walking to the fridge for another beer,...but a world-class, NFL athlete cant instantly freeze when they're breaking ONE DIRECTION on a route and easily/instantly reach back THE OTHER DIRECTION 100% of the time. The damn thing is harder than it looks!!

Physics, Newton's 1st Law of Motion, et. al., if you really want to get deep into why. I mean I'd completely murder you on the issue. It's all there and easily citable, but I'd rather not bore the thread more with topics you're hellbent on discussing with no proof or evidence in your disagreement.

I see a lot of random in here. Moving to another thread, stat. LOL

Originally posted by NCommand:
I see a lot of random in here. Moving to another thread, stat. LOL

Rent-free!

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:
No clue what I'm talking about? Lol bruh.

This went on for DAYS, man.

I dont care anything about how long something went on. Leave the fluff out and let's discuss substance. This is similar in some forms to the Aiyuk play I disagreed with you on as well....

So the trend is clear,...players breaking on routes and balls that end up kind of behind them or (in this case) right on their back shoulder. If you feel that every player should be able to turn and instantly catch a pass right on top of their side with their HANDS while their momentum is going the other way then I doubt that you've ever really played football.



Hmmm,...you seem to moreso be part of the tribe that want to highlight every ball that touches a receiver as a "catchable ball" and how "great" of a job Jimmy did in completing it because,...well, he's Jimmy G.

I disagree. You're running a route and you turn your body and the ball is on your trailing shoulder pad. Have you ever ran a route full speed before and had someone who can dart an NFL pass throw to you?

It's not easy as it looks. I see Kittle's body turning in this play. I see where he probably didnt have enough time to reach back for it and grab it with his hands and had to attempt to alligator arm it.

For all I know,...Kittle ran a bad route and didnt get his head around when he was supposed to.

OR,...the pass should've/could've been more in front of him so he can naturally catch the ball.

If you are on the bandwagon that says passes like these are 100% on the pass catcher then obviously I disagree. The reasons why are above and completely justified.

If they aren't.....stop the corny jokes and gaslighting and disagree with my comments above with actual substance.

I've posted numerous gifs here. How bout you post a clear one, Furlow, so we can have more to go on regarding this play, since you clearly want to bring it back up.

Another factor is the defenders moving around you. It's easy to catch sight of a defender nearby and take your eye off the ball for a second That's long enough to bounce off your shoulder pads or slip right through your hands. I'm sure the majority of receivers in the league catch most passes in practice. When the live action starts it's another issue. They have to fight through the defense make their moves and be at the right place when the ball is thrown.

The same goes for the QB. Easy to complete passes in practice but when defenders are flying around through the passing zone and you have a 300 pound defender ready to smash you it's a little different. How many times have we all seen a QB throw a ball right to a defender. We all say how could he do that. The guy was standing right in front of him. Unfortunately the QB has 3-5 second tops to find the open receiver and he has to hope the receiver is in the right place. When he's not the big mistakes happen.

Originally posted by Furlow:
No clue what I'm talking about? Lol bruh.

This went on for DAYS, man. You're hard at work today trying to pretend that you're just "criticizing." You even have YAC defending you a bit. You're off the deep end, man. Your arguments are absolutely terrible and make no sense. At least 49ATT and 49Ring just admit that they hate Jimmy.

Thank you for exposing what's going on here Furlow. He said 'I have no clue what you are talking about'.. yet here you show he was talking about that play exactly like you said he was. I think perhaps this is his game he just likes making ppl search for old stuff a lot I have noticed. Stuff like that tends to make me invalidate much of his JG takes.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Thank you for exposing what's going on here Furlow. He said 'I have no clue what you are talking about'.. yet here you show he was talking about that play exactly like you said he was. I think perhaps this is his game he just likes making ppl search for old stuff a lot I have noticed. Stuff like that tends to make me invalidate much of his JG takes.

How is that exposing? Without reference (evidence),...I have no idea what he's talking about. Kittle's missed a number of balls from JimmyG. With evidence, the discussion is there to be had. You know this is a messageboard, right?

Why not talk about the actual play?

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
The term hater is used to incite those who criticize Jimmy. Exactly what random stated and the exact point I was trying to make. The terms used should be critic and defender. You are a Jimmy critic or a Jimmy defender. If those two terms were used, there would be a lot less bs and a lot more solid discussion in this thread.

Sorry bro, but this is BS. There are a few of you who are genuinely criticizing Jimmy. I don't think anyone disagrees with most of that type of criticism. The problem is the small but very loud group of over the top posters who say ridiculous things like Jimmy was to blame for the Aiyuk touchdown and Kittle drop against Green Bay, Jimmy sucks, Jimmy is getting carried, etc. What would help is if the group of genuine criticizers pushed back against this loud group of haters and told them to go pound sand. Or if the mods just booted them out for not contributing to the discussion.

Again, there is no counter to the group of loud haters. None. No one is saying Jimmy is elite, or great, or carrying the team, etc. NO ONE. So stop comparing the two groups as if it's even on both sides, because it's not.

You are correct. They have no counter and is the reason why they bring up how good looking he is.

Not sure if you're joking. By "counter" I meant there is no one on this forum that is the equal and opposite to the small but loud group of haters.