Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
He did. Jimmy saved Kyle with the first td drive. If he doesn't make those plays down 13-3 the game would have spiraled. That drive saved Kyle's ass.

So Pat Mahomes saved Andy Reids ass in the SuperBowl?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Furlow:
No clue what I'm talking about? Lol bruh.

This went on for DAYS, man. You're hard at work today trying to pretend that you're just "criticizing." You even have YAC defending you a bit. You're off the deep end, man. Your arguments are absolutely terrible and make no sense. At least 49ATT and 49Ring just admit that they hate Jimmy.

Thank you for exposing what's going on here Furlow. He said 'I have no clue what you are talking about'.. yet here you show he was talking about that play exactly like you said he was. I think perhaps this is his game he just likes making ppl search for old stuff a lot I have noticed. Stuff like that tends to make me invalidate much of his JG takes.

Exactly. And then I take the time to find it, expose him, and he just pivots to the same argument that he made in January. The argument that he had no clue about 10 minutes ago. Lol

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Thank you for exposing what's going on here Furlow. He said 'I have no clue what you are talking about'.. yet here you show he was talking about that play exactly like you said he was. I think perhaps this is his game he just likes making ppl search for old stuff a lot I have noticed. Stuff like that tends to make me invalidate much of his JG takes.

How is that exposing? Without reference (evidence),...I have no idea what he's talking about. Kittle's missed a number of balls from JimmyG. With evidence, the discussion is there to be had. You know this is a messageboard, right?

Why not talk about the actual play?

Why not talk about some old as bleep play from ages ago

Cuz I already did.. way back when.. it was a terrible discussion and a dumb play. A classic example of nitpicking not legit criticism in my book. I forgot you were the architect of that monument to gaslighting.. thank you Furlow for reminding me..

Originally posted by Furlow:
Exactly. And then I take the time to find it, expose him, and he just pivots to the same argument that he made in January. The argument that he had no clue about 10 minutes ago. Lol

So you're going to bring up the issue, bring up the post, see my stance or take on it (instantly),...then avoid replying to it for why YOU are right and I'm wrong?

On to the next thing, right? All bark, no bite my friend. There's a pattern here. #Done

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Why not talk about some old as bleep play from ages ago

Cuz I already did.. way back when.. it was a terrible discussion and a dumb play. A classic example of nitpicking not legit criticism in my book. I forgot you were the architect of that monument to gaslighting.. thank you Furlow for reminding me..

What part of what I said on the play to Kittle do you disagree with? The forum is not about me,...it's about the 49ers.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Why not talk about some old as bleep play from ages ago

Cuz I already did.. way back when.. it was a terrible discussion and a dumb play. A classic example of nitpicking not legit criticism in my book. I forgot you were the architect of that monument to gaslighting.. thank you Furlow for reminding me..

What part of what I said on the play to Kittle do you disagree with? The forum is not about me,...it's about the 49ers.

Search it!

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Search it!

2-0.

Anybody else? No?

Let's move on then.

He just done got uno reversed

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Exactly. And then I take the time to find it, expose him, and he just pivots to the same argument that he made in January. The argument that he had no clue about 10 minutes ago. Lol

So you're going to bring up the issue, bring up the post, see my stance or take on it (instantly),...then avoid replying to it for why YOU are right and I'm wrong?

On to the next thing, right? All bark, no bite my friend. There's a pattern here. #Done

There is literally not ONE poster in this entire forum that agrees with you about that Kittle drop. Zero. Same with the Aiyuk play. There were a couple of posters who say the throw could have been more to Aiyuk's left, but once the all-22 came out and we could see the defender coming towards him, it was clear why Jimmy threw it where he threw it. Jerry Rice the GOAT even said that's on Aiyuk, as did every other analyst.

You're out there on an island with your particular style of "critique" of Jimmy. It does nothing to foster any type of actual conversation about Jimmy or the Niners, but it fills up the pages and gets people in here and responding to you. I'd ask why the mods allow it to continue, but I just answered my own question.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Why not talk about some old as bleep play from ages ago

Cuz I already did.. way back when.. it was a terrible discussion and a dumb play. A classic example of nitpicking not legit criticism in my book. I forgot you were the architect of that monument to gaslighting.. thank you Furlow for reminding me..

What part of what I said on the play to Kittle do you disagree with? The forum is not about me,...it's about the 49ers.

Search it!

Lol right! All of our arguments are there to be found.

Originally posted by Furlow:
There is literally not ONE poster in this entire forum that agrees with you about that Kittle drop. Zero. Same with the Aiyuk play. There were a couple of posters who say the throw could have been more to Aiyuk's left, but once the all-22 came out and we could see the defender coming towards him, it was clear why Jimmy threw it where he threw it. Jerry Rice the GOAT even said that's on Aiyuk, as did every other analyst.

You're out there on an island with your particular style of "critique" of Jimmy. It does nothing to foster any type of actual conversation about Jimmy or the Niners, but it fills up the pages and gets people in here and responding to you. I'd ask why the mods allow it to continue, but I just answered my own question.

Perfect summation. My bad for replying to him and will try to do so less going forward for better convo in here..

To get more on track.. I see a high scoring game and 300+ total yards 2 scores from JG

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
The term hater is used to incite those who criticize Jimmy. Exactly what random stated and the exact point I was trying to make. The terms used should be critic and defender. You are a Jimmy critic or a Jimmy defender. If those two terms were used, there would be a lot less bs and a lot more solid discussion in this thread.

Sorry bro, but this is BS. There are a few of you who are genuinely criticizing Jimmy. I don't think anyone disagrees with most of that type of criticism. The problem is the small but very loud group of over the top posters who say ridiculous things like Jimmy was to blame for the Aiyuk touchdown and Kittle drop against Green Bay, Jimmy sucks, Jimmy is getting carried, etc. What would help is if the group of genuine criticizers pushed back against this loud group of haters and told them to go pound sand. Or if the mods just booted them out for not contributing to the discussion.

Again, there is no counter to the group of loud haters. None. No one is saying Jimmy is elite, or great, or carrying the team, etc. NO ONE. So stop comparing the two groups as if it's even on both sides, because it's not.

But to what point? That is the question I keep asking myself. Most of that crowd have been saying the exact same thing for at least three years. Everyone who spends anytime is this forum knows who they are and what they think but every day it's just some variation on the same thing. There is the poster who literally put up GIF after GIF from different angles to "prove" that a pass that hit Kittle in the hands in a game last year and was dropped was really Jimmy's fault because it was six inches to the left of where he thought it should be and now he is using the same argument on the pass that Aiyuk couldn't haul in the end zone last week.

Then there is the poster who is just being "objective" when he slams Jimmy every week for being, in his mind, "a below average QB", at least when he isn't calling him out and out trash or offering some condescending take on how Jimmy has played "okay" the last few games.

And then there is the poster who spent pages and pages arguing about how a pass to Deebo that went for a TD against Chicago a couple of years ago was really a badly thrown ball. He caught it. They scored a TD. Who cares? The team could win a game by 30 points and they would all still be in here complaining about a pass that was "almost" intercepted, or a missed throw to a "wide open" receiver who, when Jonnydel does his film breakdown, will turn out to have been not that wide open at all. I mean it's just endless and non stop complaining that I am convinced is often done just for effect or to try and prove that they are smarter than the rest of us who are, as put forth in one notable post, just 'too stupid" to know how bad a QB Jimmy is.

I mean, who do they think their audience is? Do they think John Lynch or Kyle Shanahan are making a point of monitoring this forum so they can get a "handle" on what the fans think? Do they think Jimmy comes in here to see how he can improve his game, according to all of the armchair QBs in here? Do they think their "criticisms" change any single aspect of what has or will happen in Jimmy's tenure as the 49er's QB or is it just a bunch of impotent venting because they're still pissed off that he missed that throw to Sanders. Or is it some arrogant and block headed argument that because we had Joe and Steve and John Brodie that the we "as true 49er fans" deserve a better QB than Jimmy, who has helped take the team to two NFC Championship games and a Super Bowl in the two years he has been healthy enough to finish a season. Steve Young lost two NFC Championship games in a row before he finally got over the hump and I think that most will agree he was probably a better QB than Jimmy. I have no doubt that if social media had been a thing back in Steve's day that he would have excoriated in exactly the same way that Jimmy has been by the "real fans".

Jimmy's game is what it is. He is, by almost any truly objective standard, a solid second tier starter in this league who is capable of playing at a really high level but will also make plays that leave you scratching your head. Never having personally played QB at any level I don't pretend to know why that is the case or what he is seeing, or not seeing, that leads to those miss throws and picks. I imagine part of it is his own confidence in that release of his and his willingness to try and fit throws into tight windows. His deep ball isn't particularly good but that isn't really a big deal to me because I like ground and pound, short play action over the middle where the receivers can take a five yard slant to the house. I've never been all that impressed by the 50 yard bomb. "Oh, but it makes the defense have to defend the whole field", yeah, so who cares. I'd rather just ram it down their throats and beat them into submission. But I am perfectly willing to admit that it is just a personal preference and others may have a different take. In any case it's on to Mexico where the team will have another chance to put all of the pieces together and have a truly dominating performance over a division opponent who has often been a thorn in our sides. Go Niners!

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Furlow:
There is literally not ONE poster in this entire forum that agrees with you about that Kittle drop. Zero. Same with the Aiyuk play. There were a couple of posters who say the throw could have been more to Aiyuk's left, but once the all-22 came out and we could see the defender coming towards him, it was clear why Jimmy threw it where he threw it. Jerry Rice the GOAT even said that's on Aiyuk, as did every other analyst.

You're out there on an island with your particular style of "critique" of Jimmy. It does nothing to foster any type of actual conversation about Jimmy or the Niners, but it fills up the pages and gets people in here and responding to you. I'd ask why the mods allow it to continue, but I just answered my own question.

Perfect summation. My bad for replying to him and will try to do so less going forward for better convo in here..

To get more on track.. I see a high scoring game and 300+ total yards 2 scores from JG

I'm ready for a 400 yard, 4 score game and a blowout win. Jimmy/Kyle are due for one of those.

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
The term hater is used to incite those who criticize Jimmy. Exactly what random stated and the exact point I was trying to make. The terms used should be critic and defender. You are a Jimmy critic or a Jimmy defender. If those two terms were used, there would be a lot less bs and a lot more solid discussion in this thread.

Sorry bro, but this is BS. There are a few of you who are genuinely criticizing Jimmy. I don't think anyone disagrees with most of that type of criticism. The problem is the small but very loud group of over the top posters who say ridiculous things like Jimmy was to blame for the Aiyuk touchdown and Kittle drop against Green Bay, Jimmy sucks, Jimmy is getting carried, etc. What would help is if the group of genuine criticizers pushed back against this loud group of haters and told them to go pound sand. Or if the mods just booted them out for not contributing to the discussion.

Again, there is no counter to the group of loud haters. None. No one is saying Jimmy is elite, or great, or carrying the team, etc. NO ONE. So stop comparing the two groups as if it's even on both sides, because it's not.

But to what point? That is the question I keep asking myself. Most of that crowd have been saying the exact same thing for at least three years. Everyone who spends anytime is this forum knows who they are and what they think but every day it's just some variation on the same thing. There is the poster who literally put up GIF after GIF from different angles to "prove" that a pass that hit Kittle in the hands in a game last year and was dropped was really Jimmy's fault because it was six inches to the left of where he thought it should be and now he is using the same argument on the pass that Aiyuk couldn't haul in the end zone last week.

Then there is the poster who is just being "objective" when he slams Jimmy every week for being, in his mind, "a below average QB", at least when he isn't calling him out and out trash or offering some condescending take on how Jimmy has played "okay" the last few games.

And then there is the poster who spent pages and pages arguing about how a pass to Deebo that went for a TD against Chicago a couple of years ago was really a badly thrown ball. He caught it. They scored a TD. Who cares? The team could win a game by 30 points and they would all still be in here complaining about a pass that was "almost" intercepted, or a missed throw to a "wide open" receiver who, when Jonnydel does his film breakdown, will turn out to have been not that wide open at all. I mean it's just endless and non stop complaining that I am convinced is often done just for effect or to try and prove that they are smarter than the rest of us who are, as put forth in one notable post, just 'too stupid" to know how bad a QB Jimmy is.

I mean, who do they think their audience is? Do they think John Lynch or Kyle Shanahan are making a point of monitoring this forum so they can get a "handle" on what the fans think? Do they think Jimmy comes in here to see how he can improve his game, according to all of the armchair QBs in here? Do they think their "criticisms" change any single aspect of what has or will happen in Jimmy's tenure as the 49er's QB or is it just a bunch of impotent venting because they're still pissed off that he missed that throw to Sanders. Or is it some arrogant and block headed argument that because we had Joe and Steve and John Brodie that the we "as true 49er fans" deserve a better QB than Jimmy, who has helped take the team to two NFC Championship games and a Super Bowl in the two years he has been healthy enough to finish a season. Steve Young lost two NFC Championship games in a row before he finally got over the hump and I think that most will agree he was probably a better QB than Jimmy. I have no doubt that if social media had been a thing back in Steve's day that he would have excoriated in exactly the same way that Jimmy has been by the "real fans".

Jimmy's game is what it is. He is, by almost any truly objective standard, a solid second tier starter in this league who is capable of playing at a really high level but will also make plays that leave you scratching your head. Never having personally played QB at any level I don't pretend to know why that is the case or what he is seeing, or not seeing, that leads to those miss throws and picks. I imagine part of it is his own confidence in that release of his and his willingness to try and fit throws into tight windows. His deep ball isn't particularly good but that isn't really a big deal to me because I like ground and pound, short play action over the middle where the receivers can take a five yard slant to the house. I've never been all that impressed by the 50 yard bomb. "Oh, but it makes the defense have to defend the whole field", yeah, so who cares. I'd rather just ram it down their throats and beat them into submission. But I am perfectly willing to admit that it is just a personal preference and others may have a different take. In any case it's on to Mexico where the team will have another chance to put all of the pieces together and have a truly dominating performance over a division opponent who has often been a thorn in our sides. Go Niners!

I'm with you, and I don't get it either. We do have some CLEAR issues on this team with certain players, and I understand criticizing those guys. I do understand that Jimmy is the QB, and the QB gets the most praise and blame. It comes with the territory.

It's also a forum, and a place for people to speak their mind about whatever. I'm all for "verbal sparring" and I think that's good for people to partake in. Most posters fall in this category, and despite my disagreements with them, it's a positive experience. I doubt anyone here really thinks they're going to change anyone's mind lol.

It's really just the small group of very loud, angry, bitter posters who come in spewing garbage day after day that drives me nuts. Like 49erFaithful said, we just have to do a better job of not responding to them. I had most of them blocked and noticed that I couldn't see 75% of the posts in this thread lol. So I've unblocked them in hopes that I can follow along with the different exchanges, and not let them get under my skin (despite their best efforts to do so).