Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Bad read by Jimmy, even if the safety shoots up fast he wasn't gonna stop the ball if thrown to Deebo and Juice will have ez leverage to just his use momentum and push him out of the way if he shot up fast which seems like he did. Even if he didn't shoot up we have the best blocking Full back blocking for if not the best run after catch WR in the game in a 1v2 situation. This is all hypothetical though with Jimmy making a throw to Deebo and Deebo actually catching it.

Yeah I'll take Deebo one on one (at worst) with no one else…he has another missed read in the RZ on a RPO as well. Would have been a TD.

overall Jimmy was fine and we won….but people complaining about the play calling need to actually wait and watch the film before making assumptions about stuff.

It's also worth pointing out that this CMC Deebo RPO is brand new to the offense. It's may take a little time but the possibilities are endless. Scary to think of to this package next year if Trey can become a legit QB.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by ItsX4Number6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Deebo knew it again but JG misred this RPO too. The same one from earlier in the game where he should've handed it off to 19. 19 gets this, he probably houses it. So the QB alone was arguably responsible for taking 2 TDs off the board and folks wonder why they don't score enough. pic.twitter.com/aF1mzNDTpm

— Rich (@richjmadrid) November 16, 2022

Saw that and another missed RPO read. s**tty one would have been a TD and another would have went for a massive gain. s**t happens, we won but it's all why people need to calm their tits about play calling until the all-22 comes out.

Safety was crashing quickly. There's more to the story here. This is a split second decision that is extremely easy to look back and judge imo.

Yes it a split sec for sure. Juice also had the safety. Look at BA/Juice and Deebo's reaction. They knew they had that play won

Maybe I am wrong here but when Deebo begins his motion, no defender motions across with him... shouldn't that clue JG into the fact that he will likely possess a numbers advantage on that side ?

That would be my guess too.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by ItsX4Number6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Deebo knew it again but JG misred this RPO too. The same one from earlier in the game where he should've handed it off to 19. 19 gets this, he probably houses it. So the QB alone was arguably responsible for taking 2 TDs off the board and folks wonder why they don't score enough. pic.twitter.com/aF1mzNDTpm

— Rich (@richjmadrid) November 16, 2022

Saw that and another missed RPO read. s**tty one would have been a TD and another would have went for a massive gain. s**t happens, we won but it's all why people need to calm their tits about play calling until the all-22 comes out.

Safety was crashing quickly. There's more to the story here. This is a split second decision that is extremely easy to look back and judge imo.

Yes it a split sec for sure. Juice also had the safety. Look at BA/Juice and Deebo's reaction. They knew they had that play won

Maybe I am wrong here but when Deebo begins his motion, no defender motions across with him... shouldn't that clue JG into the fact that he will likely possess a numbers advantage on that side ?

That would be my guess too.

Bingo

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by ItsX4Number6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Deebo knew it again but JG misred this RPO too. The same one from earlier in the game where he should've handed it off to 19. 19 gets this, he probably houses it. So the QB alone was arguably responsible for taking 2 TDs off the board and folks wonder why they don't score enough. pic.twitter.com/aF1mzNDTpm

— Rich (@richjmadrid) November 16, 2022

Saw that and another missed RPO read. s**tty one would have been a TD and another would have went for a massive gain. s**t happens, we won but it's all why people need to calm their tits about play calling until the all-22 comes out.

Safety was crashing quickly. There's more to the story here. This is a split second decision that is extremely easy to look back and judge imo.

Yes it a split sec for sure. Juice also had the safety. Look at BA/Juice and Deebo's reaction. They knew they had that play won

Maybe I am wrong here but when Deebo begins his motion, no defender motions across with him... shouldn't that clue JG into the fact that he will likely possess a numbers advantage on that side ?

That would be my guess too.

Bingo

I got some thoughts here. Yes Jimmy missed the RPO this game, but it won't always be that way. This offense is far from a finished project. Plus Jimmy's strength isn't RPO so hopefully he will get better at it.

Jimmy was working with Jeff Wilson and whoever was behind him for several weeks. Now he has arguably 2 elite backs and Deebo to work the run game with. That's like handing you 3 of the best weapons that are decked out in call of duty, but you don't do sh*t with them because you haven't learned the map yet. Just give Jimmy and the rest of the guys time to gel and those plays will start to hit.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
So you don't know what a RPO is lol? You've been all up McDaniels ass and that's all he runs in Miami.

Dave Lombardi hasnt broken down the differences in the offenses. How could he possibly know?

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by ItsX4Number6:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Yes it a split sec for sure. Juice also had the safety. Look at BA/Juice and Deebo's reaction. They knew they had that play won

Disagree. I think my still frame above shows that the safety was honed in on Deebo at the time of said handoff. One could make the case that would leave Juice open but again, there was most definitely a hole and a blocker in front for CMC to go big if the defender was actually blocked not allowed to just blow everything up. I think Burford completely missed his assignment here but I could be wrong.

My thing is this. Yes, Burford (I think it was) missed his assignment. But for the play to work for Mccaffrey, like 5 players would have needed to do their jobs. For the play to work the other direction, 2 players would have needed to do their jobs. 1 (Aiyuk), which was really far away from where the play would have developed and 2 (Juice) who is a perennial Pro Bowler who we should be able to count on to do his job. And even if neither of them did do their jobs, Deebo would have gotten the ball with a ton of space between him and the safety/DB, that he easily could have run by/through them. Plus, Jimmy should have identified that there were zero defenders following Deebo's motion across the field presnap.

I understand its a split second decision and what Jimmy chose COULD have worked if the entire line did its job. But looking back on the play, its very easy to say the wrong decision was made IMO.

Assuming that Jimmy actually had the option (because I don't believe for one second that he has an option on every RPO look), then he absolutely should have thrown that to Deebo, just based off of the leverage created by the motion. No defender followed, it's zone. Defenders didn't adjust - automatic leverage to Deebo's side.

Agreed that Aiyuk, Deebo, and Juice all reacted the same way.

It happens. Thankfully these examples are becoming more rare, despite the attempts by some to make it seem like we're leaving hundreds of yards of offense and dozens of points on the field due to bad decisions by Jimmy.

Originally posted by Furlow:
Assuming that Jimmy actually had the option (because I don't believe for one second that he has an option on every RPO look), then he absolutely should have thrown that to Deebo, just based off of the leverage created by the motion. No defender followed, it's zone. Defenders didn't adjust - automatic leverage to Deebo's side.

Agreed that Aiyuk, Deebo, and Juice all reacted the same way.

It happens. Thankfully these examples are becoming more rare, despite the attempts by some to make it seem like we're leaving hundreds of yards of offense and dozens of points on the field due to bad decisions by Jimmy.

Do you think it's fair to blame the playcaller for a conservative gameplan if his calls would've been big gainers if executed correctly?

Not to say blame is necessarily warranted either way.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Furlow:
This logic assumes that all poster who are negative towards Jimmy are the same. They are not.

But if you are negative toward Jimmy you do get labeled a hater. That is Yacs point. Granted I get labeled a Jimmy hater by a person who can only understand the concept of nuance if it was explained in a Youtube video but it still happens.

Reality is outside of Jake Brendel and Mike McGlinchey in pass protection Jimmy is our biggest weak spot on offense. He just is. Weak spots have to be mitigated. The fact that we are the #1 DVOA with a QB who isn't elite speaks to how successful Shanahan is being at that. While it's possible this team might be good enough to win it all with Jimmy just doing what he is doing I do think it will require him playing the best he's ever played (certainly in the playoffs) for us to get a ring. I'm just not confident that he has it in him. Nothing I would love more than to be wrong on that. I'd imagine Gore, Steve, NY, Yac etc. would all agree with that.

There is far more hatred of Trey Lance on this site than Jimmy IMO. Of which there is zero warrant.

So you think that we are the #1 DVOA passing offense in the league with a QB who is the 3rd worst player on the offense? I mean really? And you wonder why you get called a hater.

Agreed on Lance. The hate for him is even worse and more nonsensical than Jimmy. It's just more noticeable with Jimmy because he's played more games.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Assuming that Jimmy actually had the option (because I don't believe for one second that he has an option on every RPO look), then he absolutely should have thrown that to Deebo, just based off of the leverage created by the motion. No defender followed, it's zone. Defenders didn't adjust - automatic leverage to Deebo's side.

Agreed that Aiyuk, Deebo, and Juice all reacted the same way.

It happens. Thankfully these examples are becoming more rare, despite the attempts by some to make it seem like we're leaving hundreds of yards of offense and dozens of points on the field due to bad decisions by Jimmy.

Do you think it's fair to blame the playcaller for a conservative gameplan if his calls would've been big gainers if executed correctly?

Not to say blame is necessarily warranted either way.

There are only two RPO examples that I'm seeing that could have been big gainers, had Jimmy chosen otherwise. And that's assuming that he indeed had an option (just because they given an RPO look doesn't mean there was actually an option on that play). So no, I don't think our lack of scoring this past game was due to those two possible mistakes by Jimmy.

The "conservative gameplan" discussion is coming from the dozen CMC runs right into a stacked box which set up multiple 3rd and longs.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Furlow:
This logic assumes that all poster who are negative towards Jimmy are the same. They are not.

But if you are negative toward Jimmy you do get labeled a hater. That is Yacs point. Granted I get labeled a Jimmy hater by a person who can only understand the concept of nuance if it was explained in a Youtube video but it still happens.

Reality is outside of Jake Brendel and Mike McGlinchey in pass protection Jimmy is our biggest weak spot on offense. He just is. Weak spots have to be mitigated. The fact that we are the #1 DVOA with a QB who isn't elite speaks to how successful Shanahan is being at that. While it's possible this team might be good enough to win it all with Jimmy just doing what he is doing I do think it will require him playing the best he's ever played (certainly in the playoffs) for us to get a ring. I'm just not confident that he has it in him. Nothing I would love more than to be wrong on that. I'd imagine Gore, Steve, NY, Yac etc. would all agree with that.

There is far more hatred of Trey Lance on this site than Jimmy IMO. Of which there is zero warrant.

So you think that we are the #1 DVOA passing offense in the league with a QB who is the 3rd worst player on the offense? I mean really? And you wonder why you get called a hater.

Agreed on Lance. The hate for him is even worse and more nonsensical than Jimmy. It's just more noticeable with Jimmy because he's played more games.

You love that word, don't you? I bet you get a rise out of using it?

While Jimmy certainly gets credit for that #1 DVOA passing stat, so does the person calling the plays.

Originally posted by Furlow:
There are only two RPO examples that I'm seeing that could have been big gainers, had Jimmy chosen otherwise. And that's assuming that he indeed had an option (just because they given an RPO look doesn't mean there was actually an option on that play). So no, I don't think our lack of scoring this past game was due to those two possible mistakes by Jimmy.

The "conservative gameplan" discussion is coming from the dozen CMC runs right into a stacked box which set up multiple 3rd and longs.

What did those misreads set up? 3rd and short?

So when a play doesn't work it's on Kyle but when it seems there was a misread it's oh well Jimmy might not have been able to do this or that so it's still on Kyle?

Was Mitchell also not running into stacked boxes?

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Furlow:
This logic assumes that all poster who are negative towards Jimmy are the same. They are not.

But if you are negative toward Jimmy you do get labeled a hater. That is Yacs point. Granted I get labeled a Jimmy hater by a person who can only understand the concept of nuance if it was explained in a Youtube video but it still happens.

Reality is outside of Jake Brendel and Mike McGlinchey in pass protection Jimmy is our biggest weak spot on offense. He just is. Weak spots have to be mitigated. The fact that we are the #1 DVOA with a QB who isn't elite speaks to how successful Shanahan is being at that. While it's possible this team might be good enough to win it all with Jimmy just doing what he is doing I do think it will require him playing the best he's ever played (certainly in the playoffs) for us to get a ring. I'm just not confident that he has it in him. Nothing I would love more than to be wrong on that. I'd imagine Gore, Steve, NY, Yac etc. would all agree with that.

There is far more hatred of Trey Lance on this site than Jimmy IMO. Of which there is zero warrant.

So you think that we are the #1 DVOA passing offense in the league with a QB who is the 3rd worst player on the offense? I mean really? And you wonder why you get called a hater.

Agreed on Lance. The hate for him is even worse and more nonsensical than Jimmy. It's just more noticeable with Jimmy because he's played more games.

You love that word, don't you? I bet you get a rise out of using it?

While Jimmy certainly gets credit for that #1 DVOA passing stat, so does the person calling the plays.

I love all words, English was one of my majors in college lol. And no, I don't say it to "get a rise." I use it when it's appropriate. Anyone who says that Jimmy is the 3rd worst player on the offense while simultaneously saying the 49ers have the #1 DVOA passing offense and giving him no credit for it, should not be wondering why people call him a Jimmy hater.

But I'll make you a promise, when the Jimmy "critics" like yourself, NY, SWH, etc. start holding the over the top haters accountable, then I'll relax on calling them haters. But when you let their comments slide or even worse - start defending them like you did random the past couple of days, then people need to get called out for their nonsense.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Furlow:
There are only two RPO examples that I'm seeing that could have been big gainers, had Jimmy chosen otherwise. And that's assuming that he indeed had an option (just because they given an RPO look doesn't mean there was actually an option on that play). So no, I don't think our lack of scoring this past game was due to those two possible mistakes by Jimmy.

The "conservative gameplan" discussion is coming from the dozen CMC runs right into a stacked box which set up multiple 3rd and longs.

What did those misreads set up? 3rd and short?

So when a play doesn't work it's on Kyle but when it seems there was a misread it's oh well Jimmy might not have been able to do this or that so it's still on Kyle?

Was Mitchell also not running into stacked boxes?

Dude you're all over the place. I'm not one of these people who feels the need to place ALL of the blame on any one player or coach. I do think Kyle gets way too much of a pass, particularly in this thread, and particularly from the Jimmy haters. Doesn't mean that Kyle should get ALL of the blame. Jimmy and Kyle need to figure out how to get the most out of each other, and to me, this season, they are doing their best job of that. And it's precisely because of their willingness to tell the other to F off and go pound sand.