Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:
"Great" = Everyone actually doing their Jobs at the utmost on offense every play and they all help score TDs.

Which is wildly unrealistic esp. in a nuanced run-centric offense like this one that's massively underperformed no matter how much Kyle wants to shove it down teams throats.

In Kyle's scheme, if one tiny part is just slightly off, it's now 2nd and 13.

When it hits, it hits big. But when it doesn't, it puts massive pressure to be at the very top of passing efficiency to transcend that and that's not sustainable, IMHO.

That's not a Superbowl winning formula. Kyle is going to need to adjust his philosophy unless he can get that run game back up to top 10; it might with Mitchell back. But right now he's predictable AND his running game is well below average.

Don't worry, who isn't up to par by the end of the season will be gone, regardless Jimmy G is a goner.

Trey Era 2023. Who knows if Trey is healthy enough later and Jimmy somehow gets injured, Trey Era might begin sooner, it all remains to be seen.

Is Trey IR with a designation to return? I thought they said he was 100% done for the season.

A side note. I have never seen so much pouting over a victory against a solid opponent in a primetime game because we didn't blow them out. Maybe we are a spoiled, whiney fanbase.

Originally posted by NCommand:
"It's just kind of a hodgepodge of stuff every week. ~ Kurt Warner

Kyle can call any play he wants and the fan-perspective can only be "execution." And like you said, you can apply this to any and every game.

The goal of any quality OC is knowing that's inevitable (poor execution, missed read, missed opportunity) and maximize the opportunities of your playmakers to overcome that.

For so many fans who so badly pitched for explosives and using the full field with all its playmakers its just odd that 'this' vanilla and conservative game plan is considered "great" despite it being a razor thin W.

I don't know where the Hodgepodge b******t comes from....That's f**king silly. That's a throwaway line that shouldn't be used to describe a Kyle offense. He's been running the same core concepts his entire time here. He's added different elements of gap style runs that have garnered more of a role in the ground game.

The offense as a whole has been in flux this entire season after pivoting from an installed offense that was gonna feature a QB running game to compliment the ground game. Through all of this injuries have made where either they've missed their all-pro tackle, All-pro WR and All-pro TE for portions of the season. It's shouldn't be that big of a surprise that the offense is still finding it's bearings.

Despite all of this, just look at the 3 game sample we have with CMC in the offense.

25.3 ppg
399.6 ypg
276.6 pass yards per game
123.0 rush yards per game
6.4 yards per play (188 total plays....94 pass attempt....9 sacks....85 run attempts)
3rd down rate (22/40.....55%)
55% pass/45% rush

This offense is closer than it looks to being pretty nuts. It just has to stay healthy and start to stack games together.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Also, coming into a game with a plan to be pass heavy against a defense that is far better at defending the pass than they are at defending the run sounds like a recipe for disaster. If we came in with a pass heavy gameplan and we lost, there would be folks with pitch forks ready burn Kyle at the stake for not running the ball more against the worst run defense in the league.

Totally agreed. Until Kyle saw how they were selling out to stop the run. Zero issues with the original game plan or the goal to get the run game going after practicing two weeks on it.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Also, coming into a game with a plan to be pass heavy against a defense that is far better at defending the pass than they are at defending the run sounds like a recipe for disaster. If we came in with a pass heavy gameplan and we lost, there would be folks with pitch forks ready burn Kyle at the stake for not running the ball more against the worst run defense in the league.

Totally agreed. Until Kyle saw how they were selling out to stop the run. Zero issues with the original game plan or the goal to get the run game going after practicing two weeks on it.

If anything, Kyle should have adjusted before halftime and gave Mitchell more than 5 carries in the first half. Mitchell ate that D up all game long with 6+ yard carries on 1st and 2nd down.

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:

lol soo good. "Its a tough life he's gotta live"

What KS IS REALLY SAYING IS:
This lucky mother f**ker already milked and made a TON of money from the 49ers (was injured alot and choked in the SB and NFCC just last season when everything was on the line), we wanted to dump him and his huge over paid contract for a 2nd round pick and start anew with Trey Era this season but NO ONE WANTED HIM, so now he came back for a incentive-laden deal as the highest paid backup in the NFL, which is more where he fits and belong as a none probowl 65 average and 72/100 at best game manager, and once again he got lucky and Trey gets unfortunately hurt and we have no choice but to play him at QB1 when he had no TC and it's f**king annoying he's STILL MAKING MORE MONEY THAN ME AS THE HC, who's usually TAKING ALL THE HEAT WHEN WE LOSE WHILE HE ALWAYS MAKES EXCUSES AND NEVER TAKE THE BLAME REALLY, and a good looking guy and a bachelor at that.

Mind you KS is still making way less money than Jimmy as the highest paid backup QB in the NFL at 9.5M a year.
While the clueless low vibrational malcontents of the fanbase and the bored sports media digs at him constantly even after a competitive team win against a good, well coached and well prepared 5-3 team on national television, even though he as HC and playcaller has already proven he can make it far and to the big show SB and NFCCs even with a limited mediocre none probowl QB at QB1.
How fair is that???? 🤣

https://www.google.com/amp/s/en.as.com/nfl/who-is-the-highest-paid-nfl-coach-full-salary-list-n/%3foutputType=amp

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by NCommand:
"It's just kind of a hodgepodge of stuff every week. ~ Kurt Warner

Kyle can call any play he wants and the fan-perspective can only be "execution." And like you said, you can apply this to any and every game.

The goal of any quality OC is knowing that's inevitable (poor execution, missed read, missed opportunity) and maximize the opportunities of your playmakers to overcome that.

For so many fans who so badly pitched for explosives and using the full field with all its playmakers its just odd that 'this' vanilla and conservative game plan is considered "great" despite it being a razor thin W.

I don't know where the Hodgepodge b******t comes from....That's f**king silly. That's a throwaway line that shouldn't be used to describe a Kyle offense. He's been running the same core concepts his entire time here. He's added different elements of gap style runs that have garnered more of a role in the ground game.

The offense as a whole has been in flux this entire season after pivoting from an installed offense that was gonna feature a QB running game to compliment the ground game. Through all of this injuries have made where either they've missed their all-pro tackle, All-pro WR and All-pro TE for portions of the season. It's shouldn't be that big of a surprise that the offense is still finding it's bearings.

Despite all of this, just look at the 3 game sample we have with CMC in the offense.

25.3 ppg
399.6 ypg
276.6 pass yards per game
123.0 rush yards per game
6.7 yards per play

This offense is closer than it looks to being pretty nuts. It just has to stay healthy and start to stack games together.

For a guy who lives on Twitter, how did you miss this?



That comment was noting how it's just a bit off for a number of different reasons, and with a few tweaks, could be humming (then). Literally, identical to the running game right now.

The passing game is absolutely the strength of the team right now and has gotten better and better. But Kyle continues to drive the run game instead as that's his ingrained philosophy: run to set up the pass.

Guys are so sensitive about any criticism towards Kyle Shanahan. Dude has a lot of issues to fix starting with himself. LOL

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Also, coming into a game with a plan to be pass heavy against a defense that is far better at defending the pass than they are at defending the run sounds like a recipe for disaster. If we came in with a pass heavy gameplan and we lost, there would be folks with pitch forks ready burn Kyle at the stake for not running the ball more against the worst run defense in the league.

Totally agreed. Until Kyle saw how they were selling out to stop the run. Zero issues with the original game plan or the goal to get the run game going after practicing two weeks on it.

If anything, Kyle should have adjusted before halftime and gave Mitchell more than 5 carries in the first half. Mitchell ate that D up all game long with 6+ yard carries on 1st and 2nd down.

Yeah, he had a number of different combinations to go with between the personnel (Mitchell, Deebo, CMC, Juice) and positions (backfield, slot, split out).

Mitchell is a stud. So glad he's back. We genuinely could get back up to top 10 with him staying healthy. Fingers crossed. If we get there and clean up the little things that kill drives, we'll be pretty unbeatable.

Originally posted by NCommand:
"It's just kind of a hodgepodge of stuff every week. ~ Kurt Warner

Kyle can call any play he wants and the fan-perspective can only be "execution." And like you said, you can apply this to any and every game.

The goal of any quality OC is knowing that's inevitable (poor execution, missed read, missed opportunity) and maximize the opportunities of your playmakers to overcome that.

For so many fans who so badly pitched for explosives and using the full field with all its playmakers its just odd that 'this' vanilla and conservative game plan is considered "great" despite it being a razor thin W.

Acting like play calling isn't directly related to the guy that touching the football every play is silly all the same. You want explosives and you have a QB that's allergic to doing that. Again it's not like there aren't routes being run downfield or forms of PA to make that s**t possible.

Go look at Jimmy's heat chart (for years) then look at Lance's in his short small size. Jimmy is good at in breaking routes and stuff between the numbers. So that's where he's gonna go. It's not a horrible thing just the truth of if.



I can't speak for everyone, but every single play has factors to it. One play could be poor execution another a bad play call. It's not all or nothing and some of you are taking that approach, even after the film has been shown.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Also, coming into a game with a plan to be pass heavy against a defense that is far better at defending the pass than they are at defending the run sounds like a recipe for disaster. If we came in with a pass heavy gameplan and we lost, there would be folks with pitch forks ready burn Kyle at the stake for not running the ball more against the worst run defense in the league.

Said that it over and over…also if BA doesn't drop an easy TD no one is b***hing about scoring 27 pts. Toss in a blown block and a Mitchell slip that's two more TDs lol.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
"It's just kind of a hodgepodge of stuff every week. ~ Kurt Warner

Kyle can call any play he wants and the fan-perspective can only be "execution." And like you said, you can apply this to any and every game.

The goal of any quality OC is knowing that's inevitable (poor execution, missed read, missed opportunity) and maximize the opportunities of your playmakers to overcome that.

For so many fans who so badly pitched for explosives and using the full field with all its playmakers its just odd that 'this' vanilla and conservative game plan is considered "great" despite it being a razor thin W.

Acting like play calling isn't directly related to the guy that touching the football every play is silly all the same. You want explosives and you have a QB that's allergic to doing that. Again it's not like there aren't routes being run downfield or forms of PA to make that s**t possible.

Go look at Jimmy's heat chart (for years) then look at Lance's in his short small size. Jimmy is good at in breaking routes and stuff between the numbers. So that's where he's gonna go. It's not a horrible thing just the truth of if.



I can't speak for everyone, but every single play has factors to it. One play could be poor execution another a bad play call. It's not all or nothing and some of you are taking that approach, even after the film has been shown.

Yup, you finally got it.

"It's just kind of a hodgepodge of stuff every week. ~ Kurt Warner

Originally posted by TonyStarks:

This STILL makes me laugh!

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Also, coming into a game with a plan to be pass heavy against a defense that is far better at defending the pass than they are at defending the run sounds like a recipe for disaster. If we came in with a pass heavy gameplan and we lost, there would be folks with pitch forks ready burn Kyle at the stake for not running the ball more against the worst run defense in the league.

Totally agreed. Until Kyle saw how they were selling out to stop the run. Zero issues with the original game plan or the goal to get the run game going after practicing two weeks on it.

If anything, Kyle should have adjusted before halftime and gave Mitchell more than 5 carries in the first half. Mitchell ate that D up all game long with 6+ yard carries on 1st and 2nd down.

Yeah, he had a number of different combinations to go with between the personnel (Mitchell, Deebo, CMC, Juice) and positions (backfield, slot, split out).

Mitchell is a stud. So glad he's back. We genuinely could get back up to top 10 with him staying healthy. Fingers crossed. If we get there and clean up the little things that kill drives, we'll be pretty unbeatable.

John Chapman was talking about how MM single handedly killed two drives and took TD's off the board. He also said he should have been called for multiple penalties that the refs missed on that would have been drive killers as well.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yup, you finally got it.

"It's just kind of a hodgepodge of stuff every week. ~ Kurt Warner

I've said this over and over….you keep tossing out poor play calling and playing off that Jimmy is bailing out Kyle, especially on 3rd downs. Like play calling doesn't exist on 3rd downs.

Let's add context with things like saying it's just play calling or QB play. Because it isn't just one thing.

also love how you disregard everything I said about what Jimmy is and what his strengths are…because you know it lol

Still Over Paid, Still mediocre, Still doesn't take Blames after loses according to KS 🤣