Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by NCommand:
"It's just kind of a hodgepodge of stuff every week. ~ Kurt Warner

Kyle can call any play he wants and the fan-perspective can only be "execution." And like you said, you can apply this to any and every game.

The goal of any quality OC is knowing that's inevitable (poor execution, missed read, missed opportunity) and maximize the opportunities of your playmakers to overcome that.

For so many fans who so badly pitched for explosives and using the full field with all its playmakers its just odd that 'this' vanilla and conservative game plan is considered "great" despite it being a razor thin W.

I don't know where the Hodgepodge b******t comes from....That's f**king silly. That's a throwaway line that shouldn't be used to describe a Kyle offense. He's been running the same core concepts his entire time here. He's added different elements of gap style runs that have garnered more of a role in the ground game.

The offense as a whole has been in flux this entire season after pivoting from an installed offense that was gonna feature a QB running game to compliment the ground game. Through all of this injuries have made where either they've missed their all-pro tackle, All-pro WR and All-pro TE for portions of the season. It's shouldn't be that big of a surprise that the offense is still finding it's bearings.

Despite all of this, just look at the 3 game sample we have with CMC in the offense.

25.3 ppg
399.6 ypg
276.6 pass yards per game
123.0 rush yards per game
6.4 yards per play (188 total plays....94 pass attempt....9 sacks....85 run attempts)
3rd down rate (22/40.....55%)
55% pass/45% rush

This offense is closer than it looks to being pretty nuts. It just has to stay healthy and start to stack games together.

Agreed 816. I think we've forgotten about how the assistant coaching staff has been poached this past offseason. Some say MMcDaniel was the brains of the offense. Even though I disagree, he was a big part of implementing what Kyle wants and most likely had a lot of input on how things get done. New WR coach, new OC (right hand man to Kyle), new passing game coordinator, new TE coach, new QB coach. It's not a surprise the offense looks disjointed at times.

A head coach is involved with game planning and managing the psyche of the team. Fundamentals, technique, all the low level details, fall on the assistant and position coaches. It is Kyle that selects these assistant coaches, so that's on him. But I'm not surprised there's a feeling out process as players get used to the new coaches, and the new coaches get used to their new titles.

That said, it's now midsession and things should start gelling.

Originally posted by thl408:
Agreed 816. I think we've forgotten about how the assistant coaching staff has been poached this past offseason. Some say MMcDaniel was the brains of the offense. Even though I disagree, he was a big part of implementing what Kyle wants and most likely had a lot of input on how things get done. New WR coach, new OC (right hand man to Kyle), new passing game coordinator, new TE coach, new QB coach. It's not a surprise the offense looks disjointed at times.

A head coach is involved with game planning and managing the psyche of the team. Fundamentals, technique, all the low level details, fall on the assistant and position coaches. It is Kyle that selects these assistant coaches, so that's on him. But I'm not surprised there's a feeling out process as players get used to the new coaches, and the new coaches get used to their new titles.

That said, it's now midsession and things should start gelling.

Keep in mind, Jimmy G wasn't part of the TC, Trey was QB1 in TC instead. Jimmy G isn't even a team Captain even though he has been with KS and the 49ers for a long while now.. 🤣

Originally posted by YACBros85:
John Chapman was talking about how MM single handedly killed two drives and took TD's off the board. He also said he should have been called for multiple penalties that the refs missed on that would have drive killers as well.

Yeah he's gotta move on after this season. Done seeing that s**t every week.

That said you could point out to guys like Bosa getting held all day on the other side (and not getting called).

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yup, you finally got it.

"It's just kind of a hodgepodge of stuff every week. ~ Kurt Warner

I've said this over and over….you keep tossing out poor play calling and playing off that Jimmy is bailing out Kyle, especially on 3rd downs. Like play calling doesn't exist on 3rd downs.

Let's add context with things like saying it's just play calling or QB play. Because it isn't just one thing.

also love how you disregard everything I said about what Jimmy is and what his strengths are…because you know it lol

Cute. I call EVERYTHING out and not just on Kyle the OC/HC. This was my original post right after the game on just him/offense. Lots of continuing themes here both as OC/HC. That was before we even got into the "execution" issues too.

Try hard to hold everyone to the same standard. You don't need to run interference for Kyle every Monday morning. We all know him...even better than JG.

Kyle the Playcaller:
2nd and 11
2nd and 11
2nd and 10
2nd and 7
2nd and 12
2nd and 20
2nd and 20
2nd and 10
2nd and 9
2nd and 13
2nd and 11
Ultra conservative RZ (tops last year with Mike McDaniel and the 4-minute offense)

--- This is not making life easy on your QB as K.Warner noted. This is on just 10 possessions.

Kyle the Head Coach:
"Shooting itself in the foot" has been a cultural theme under Kyle
Penalties
Drops
Injuries
Outschemed
Oversight of defense and special teams
Lack of accountability
Doghouse (Aiyuk) for some; Penthouse (McGlinchey) for others
Slow in-game and half-time adjustments
Inability to close out games
Zero complete games in all 3 phases

--- These are killer signs in a HC.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by NCommand:
"It's just kind of a hodgepodge of stuff every week. ~ Kurt Warner

Kyle can call any play he wants and the fan-perspective can only be "execution." And like you said, you can apply this to any and every game.

The goal of any quality OC is knowing that's inevitable (poor execution, missed read, missed opportunity) and maximize the opportunities of your playmakers to overcome that.

For so many fans who so badly pitched for explosives and using the full field with all its playmakers its just odd that 'this' vanilla and conservative game plan is considered "great" despite it being a razor thin W.

I don't know where the Hodgepodge b******t comes from....That's f**king silly. That's a throwaway line that shouldn't be used to describe a Kyle offense. He's been running the same core concepts his entire time here. He's added different elements of gap style runs that have garnered more of a role in the ground game.

The offense as a whole has been in flux this entire season after pivoting from an installed offense that was gonna feature a QB running game to compliment the ground game. Through all of this injuries have made where either they've missed their all-pro tackle, All-pro WR and All-pro TE for portions of the season. It's shouldn't be that big of a surprise that the offense is still finding it's bearings.

Despite all of this, just look at the 3 game sample we have with CMC in the offense.

25.3 ppg
399.6 ypg
276.6 pass yards per game
123.0 rush yards per game
6.4 yards per play (188 total plays....94 pass attempt....9 sacks....85 run attempts)
3rd down rate (22/40.....55%)
55% pass/45% rush

This offense is closer than it looks to being pretty nuts. It just has to stay healthy and start to stack games together.

Agreed 816. I think we've forgotten about how the assistant coaching staff has been poached this past offseason. Some say MMcDaniel was the brains of the offense. Even though I disagree, he was a big part of implementing what Kyle wants and most likely had a lot of input on how things get done. New WR coach, new OC (right hand man to Kyle), new passing game coordinator, new TE coach, new QB coach. It's not a surprise the offense looks disjointed at times.

A head coach is involved with game planning and managing the psyche of the team. Fundamentals, technique, all the low level details, fall on the assistant and position coaches. It is Kyle that selects these assistant coaches, so that's on him. But I'm not surprised there's a feeling out process as players get used to the new coaches, and the new coaches get used to their new titles.

That said, it's now midsession and things should start gelling.

Gotta keep the guys heathy and start stackings games together to get some cohesion. I also think the whole McDaniel as the brain of the offense is silly yet predictable.

I think the Mitchell injury and losing his speed was the biggest loss.....The ground game is missing the explosives and those 1 play drives from it. I would be shocked if the ground game continues to struggle if Mitchell and CMC get serious carries down the stretch.

However, given all of that.....The offense with CMC has been what you'd want and that's even before it really starts to gel.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
John Chapman was talking about how MM single handedly killed two drives and took TD's off the board. He also said he should have been called for multiple penalties that the refs missed on that would have drive killers as well.

Yeah he's gotta move on after this season. Done seeing that s**t every week.

That said you could point out to guys like Bosa getting held all day on the other side (and not getting called).

Why not move to Brunskill or rotate in as a way to hold him accountable? You know, accountability???

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by NCommand:
"It's just kind of a hodgepodge of stuff every week. ~ Kurt Warner

Kyle can call any play he wants and the fan-perspective can only be "execution." And like you said, you can apply this to any and every game.

The goal of any quality OC is knowing that's inevitable (poor execution, missed read, missed opportunity) and maximize the opportunities of your playmakers to overcome that.

For so many fans who so badly pitched for explosives and using the full field with all its playmakers its just odd that 'this' vanilla and conservative game plan is considered "great" despite it being a razor thin W.

I don't know where the Hodgepodge b******t comes from....That's f**king silly. That's a throwaway line that shouldn't be used to describe a Kyle offense. He's been running the same core concepts his entire time here. He's added different elements of gap style runs that have garnered more of a role in the ground game.

The offense as a whole has been in flux this entire season after pivoting from an installed offense that was gonna feature a QB running game to compliment the ground game. Through all of this injuries have made where either they've missed their all-pro tackle, All-pro WR and All-pro TE for portions of the season. It's shouldn't be that big of a surprise that the offense is still finding it's bearings.

Despite all of this, just look at the 3 game sample we have with CMC in the offense.

25.3 ppg
399.6 ypg
276.6 pass yards per game
123.0 rush yards per game
6.4 yards per play (188 total plays....94 pass attempt....9 sacks....85 run attempts)
3rd down rate (22/40.....55%)
55% pass/45% rush

This offense is closer than it looks to being pretty nuts. It just has to stay healthy and start to stack games together.

Agreed 816. I think we've forgotten about how the assistant coaching staff has been poached this past offseason. Some say MMcDaniel was the brains of the offense. Even though I disagree, he was a big part of implementing what Kyle wants and most likely had a lot of input on how things get done. New WR coach, new OC (right hand man to Kyle), new passing game coordinator, new TE coach, new QB coach. It's not a surprise the offense looks disjointed at times.

A head coach is involved with game planning and managing the psyche of the team. Fundamentals, technique, all the low level details, fall on the assistant and position coaches. It is Kyle that selects these assistant coaches, so that's on him. But I'm not surprised there's a feeling out process as players get used to the new coaches, and the new coaches get used to their new titles.

That said, it's now midsession and things should start gelling.

Gotta keep the guys heathy and start stackings games together to get some cohesion. I also think the whole McDaniel as the brain of the offense is silly yet predictable.

I think the Mitchell injury and losing his speed was the biggest loss.....The ground game is missing the explosives and those 1 play drives from it. I would be shocked if the ground game continues to struggle if Mitchell and CMC get serious carries down the stretch.

However, given all of that.....The offense with CMC has been what you'd want and that's even before it really starts to gel.

Is it? We were #1 in the RZ with him and the 4 minute offense. That's not to say he IS the brains but him with Kyle were legit and there's been a huge drop off. The play calls in the RZ have been weak, predictable and repetitive.

I have a feeling, Jimmy is going to be the scapegoat if the 9ers make the playoffs, NFCC or SB and lose again, he's GONE ANYWAYS so who cares (KS, Lynch, Jed York all prepare for this and see how far it goes this season since Trey got hurt and they have no other choice) 🤣

And even if they get to the SB and win with Jimmy at QB1 it would take a lot of luck that is, instead of a very small chance of a healthy Trey coming back as QB1, the credit will go to KS finally as HC and playcaller and or maybe someone else on offense (like deebo or CMC) or a SB MVP on D, because at the end of the day, Jimmy G has limitations and is 65 average and 72 at best rarely, that's a proven fact 🤣

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Who is this DL? Is he a X's and O's film guy? Does he have videos that demonstrate his football knowledge?

David Lombardi, beat writer for the Athletic. Good writer and cover guy, not so much an X and O's guy. big jimmy guy. Overall really like his work.
Fun fact, NC used to say DL was actually NY85 and called him a shill for the niners l….and now his word is gospel . We've come a long way

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by NCommand:
"It's just kind of a hodgepodge of stuff every week. ~ Kurt Warner

Kyle can call any play he wants and the fan-perspective can only be "execution." And like you said, you can apply this to any and every game.

The goal of any quality OC is knowing that's inevitable (poor execution, missed read, missed opportunity) and maximize the opportunities of your playmakers to overcome that.

For so many fans who so badly pitched for explosives and using the full field with all its playmakers its just odd that 'this' vanilla and conservative game plan is considered "great" despite it being a razor thin W.

I don't know where the Hodgepodge b******t comes from....That's f**king silly. That's a throwaway line that shouldn't be used to describe a Kyle offense. He's been running the same core concepts his entire time here. He's added different elements of gap style runs that have garnered more of a role in the ground game.

The offense as a whole has been in flux this entire season after pivoting from an installed offense that was gonna feature a QB running game to compliment the ground game. Through all of this injuries have made where either they've missed their all-pro tackle, All-pro WR and All-pro TE for portions of the season. It's shouldn't be that big of a surprise that the offense is still finding it's bearings.

Despite all of this, just look at the 3 game sample we have with CMC in the offense.

25.3 ppg
399.6 ypg
276.6 pass yards per game
123.0 rush yards per game
6.4 yards per play (188 total plays....94 pass attempt....9 sacks....85 run attempts)
3rd down rate (22/40.....55%)
55% pass/45% rush

This offense is closer than it looks to being pretty nuts. It just has to stay healthy and start to stack games together.

Agreed 816. I think we've forgotten about how the assistant coaching staff has been poached this past offseason. Some say MMcDaniel was the brains of the offense. Even though I disagree, he was a big part of implementing what Kyle wants and most likely had a lot of input on how things get done. New WR coach, new OC (right hand man to Kyle), new passing game coordinator, new TE coach, new QB coach. It's not a surprise the offense looks disjointed at times.

A head coach is involved with game planning and managing the psyche of the team. Fundamentals, technique, all the low level details, fall on the assistant and position coaches. It is Kyle that selects these assistant coaches, so that's on him. But I'm not surprised there's a feeling out process as players get used to the new coaches, and the new coaches get used to their new titles.

That said, it's now midsession and things should start gelling.

Gotta keep the guys heathy and start stackings games together to get some cohesion. I also think the whole McDaniel as the brain of the offense is silly yet predictable.

I think the Mitchell injury and losing his speed was the biggest loss.....The ground game is missing the explosives and those 1 play drives from it. I would be shocked if the ground game continues to struggle if Mitchell and CMC get serious carries down the stretch.

However, given all of that.....The offense with CMC has been what you'd want and that's even before it really starts to gel.

Is it? We were #1 in the RZ with him and the 4 minute offense. That's not to say he IS the brains but him with Kyle were legit and there's been a huge drop off. The play calls in the RZ have been weak, predictable and repetitive.

Huge drop-off? 55% in the RZ this year.....64% in the RZ last year. Kinda seems too early to call it either way.

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by NCommand:
"It's just kind of a hodgepodge of stuff every week. ~ Kurt Warner

Kyle can call any play he wants and the fan-perspective can only be "execution." And like you said, you can apply this to any and every game.

The goal of any quality OC is knowing that's inevitable (poor execution, missed read, missed opportunity) and maximize the opportunities of your playmakers to overcome that.

For so many fans who so badly pitched for explosives and using the full field with all its playmakers its just odd that 'this' vanilla and conservative game plan is considered "great" despite it being a razor thin W.

I don't know where the Hodgepodge b******t comes from....That's f**king silly. That's a throwaway line that shouldn't be used to describe a Kyle offense. He's been running the same core concepts his entire time here. He's added different elements of gap style runs that have garnered more of a role in the ground game.

The offense as a whole has been in flux this entire season after pivoting from an installed offense that was gonna feature a QB running game to compliment the ground game. Through all of this injuries have made where either they've missed their all-pro tackle, All-pro WR and All-pro TE for portions of the season. It's shouldn't be that big of a surprise that the offense is still finding it's bearings.

Despite all of this, just look at the 3 game sample we have with CMC in the offense.

25.3 ppg
399.6 ypg
276.6 pass yards per game
123.0 rush yards per game
6.4 yards per play (188 total plays....94 pass attempt....9 sacks....85 run attempts)
3rd down rate (22/40.....55%)
55% pass/45% rush

This offense is closer than it looks to being pretty nuts. It just has to stay healthy and start to stack games together.

Agreed 816. I think we've forgotten about how the assistant coaching staff has been poached this past offseason. Some say MMcDaniel was the brains of the offense. Even though I disagree, he was a big part of implementing what Kyle wants and most likely had a lot of input on how things get done. New WR coach, new OC (right hand man to Kyle), new passing game coordinator, new TE coach, new QB coach. It's not a surprise the offense looks disjointed at times.

A head coach is involved with game planning and managing the psyche of the team. Fundamentals, technique, all the low level details, fall on the assistant and position coaches. It is Kyle that selects these assistant coaches, so that's on him. But I'm not surprised there's a feeling out process as players get used to the new coaches, and the new coaches get used to their new titles.

That said, it's now midsession and things should start gelling.

Gotta keep the guys heathy and start stackings games together to get some cohesion. I also think the whole McDaniel as the brain of the offense is silly yet predictable.

I think the Mitchell injury and losing his speed was the biggest loss.....The ground game is missing the explosives and those 1 play drives from it. I would be shocked if the ground game continues to struggle if Mitchell and CMC get serious carries down the stretch.

However, given all of that.....The offense with CMC has been what you'd want and that's even before it really starts to gel.

Is it? We were #1 in the RZ with him and the 4 minute offense. That's not to say he IS the brains but him with Kyle were legit and there's been a huge drop off. The play calls in the RZ have been weak, predictable and repetitive.

Huge drop-off? 55% in the RZ this year.....64% in the RZ last year. Kinda seems too early to call it either way.

The 49ers have the tools to be a great offense. Even if you don't think Jimmy is great, he's more than adequate with the players around him. They just need to start putting together a string of good games. One or 2 TDs instead of FGs can be the difference. 14 points instead to 6. The possible difference between forcing the other team to score a TD and 2 point conversion.

The Oline needs to start playing a little better now that Williams is back. If they can jell as unit then thus offense should be really fun to watch.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
David Lombardi, beat writer for the Athletic. Good writer and cover guy, not so much an X and O's guy. big jimmy guy. Overall really like his work.
Fun fact, NC used to say DL was actually NY85 and called him a shill for the niners l….and now his word is gospel . We've come a long way

Them goalposts move quickly in the zone

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Who is this DL? Is he a X's and O's film guy? Does he have videos that demonstrate his football knowledge?

David Lombardi, beat writer for the Athletic. Good writer and cover guy, not so much an X and O's guy. big jimmy guy. Overall really like his work.
Fun fact, NC used to say DL was actually NY85 and called him a shill for the niners l….and now his word is gospel . We've come a long way

Lombardi used to work for ESPN, he's one of the reporters asking questions on the presser. He's a big numbers and analytics guy. He's known for his spreadsheets showing things. There's even a parody account in Twitter called, "Lombardis spreadsheet".

He's kind of the antithesis of Grant Cohn.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The 49ers have the tools to be a great offense. Even if you don't think Jimmy is great, he's more than adequate with the players around him. They just need to start putting together a string of good games. One or 2 TDs instead of FGs can be the difference. 14 points instead to 6. The possible difference between forcing the other team to score a TD and 2 point conversion.

The Oline needs to start playing a little better now that Williams is back. If they can jell as unit then thus offense should be really fun to watch.

Yah it isn't difficult to see the cause of the drop off. 3 inexperienced o lineman combined with a still young wr core. Those things take time.

Between Jimmy, Aiyuk, Robbie and the O line 16 points easy were left on the field. Execution needs to improve.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Who is this DL? Is he a X's and O's film guy? Does he have videos that demonstrate his football knowledge?

David Lombardi, beat writer for the Athletic. Good writer and cover guy, not so much an X and O's guy. big jimmy guy. Overall really like his work.
Fun fact, NC used to say DL was actually NY85 and called him a shill for the niners l….and now his word is gospel . We've come a long way

Lombardi used to work for ESPN, he's one of the reporters asking questions on the presser. He's a big numbers and analytics guy. He's known for his spreadsheets showing things. There's even a parody account in Twitter called, "Lombardis spreadsheet".

He's kind of the antithesis of Grant Cohn.

Cohn is 🤡 show, Lombardi deals with data and facts.