Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by NCommand:
"It's just kind of a hodgepodge of stuff every week. ~ Kurt Warner

Kyle can call any play he wants and the fan-perspective can only be "execution." And like you said, you can apply this to any and every game.

The goal of any quality OC is knowing that's inevitable (poor execution, missed read, missed opportunity) and maximize the opportunities of your playmakers to overcome that.

For so many fans who so badly pitched for explosives and using the full field with all its playmakers its just odd that 'this' vanilla and conservative game plan is considered "great" despite it being a razor thin W.

I don't know where the Hodgepodge b******t comes from....That's f**king silly. That's a throwaway line that shouldn't be used to describe a Kyle offense. He's been running the same core concepts his entire time here. He's added different elements of gap style runs that have garnered more of a role in the ground game.

The offense as a whole has been in flux this entire season after pivoting from an installed offense that was gonna feature a QB running game to compliment the ground game. Through all of this injuries have made where either they've missed their all-pro tackle, All-pro WR and All-pro TE for portions of the season. It's shouldn't be that big of a surprise that the offense is still finding it's bearings.

Despite all of this, just look at the 3 game sample we have with CMC in the offense.

25.3 ppg
399.6 ypg
276.6 pass yards per game
123.0 rush yards per game
6.4 yards per play (188 total plays....94 pass attempt....9 sacks....85 run attempts)
3rd down rate (22/40.....55%)
55% pass/45% rush

This offense is closer than it looks to being pretty nuts. It just has to stay healthy and start to stack games together.

Agreed 816. I think we've forgotten about how the assistant coaching staff has been poached this past offseason. Some say MMcDaniel was the brains of the offense. Even though I disagree, he was a big part of implementing what Kyle wants and most likely had a lot of input on how things get done. New WR coach, new OC (right hand man to Kyle), new passing game coordinator, new TE coach, new QB coach. It's not a surprise the offense looks disjointed at times.

A head coach is involved with game planning and managing the psyche of the team. Fundamentals, technique, all the low level details, fall on the assistant and position coaches. It is Kyle that selects these assistant coaches, so that's on him. But I'm not surprised there's a feeling out process as players get used to the new coaches, and the new coaches get used to their new titles.

That said, it's now midsession and things should start gelling.

Gotta keep the guys heathy and start stackings games together to get some cohesion. I also think the whole McDaniel as the brain of the offense is silly yet predictable.

I think the Mitchell injury and losing his speed was the biggest loss.....The ground game is missing the explosives and those 1 play drives from it. I would be shocked if the ground game continues to struggle if Mitchell and CMC get serious carries down the stretch.

However, given all of that.....The offense with CMC has been what you'd want and that's even before it really starts to gel.

Is it? We were #1 in the RZ with him and the 4 minute offense. That's not to say he IS the brains but him with Kyle were legit and there's been a huge drop off. The play calls in the RZ have been weak, predictable and repetitive.

Huge drop-off? 55% in the RZ this year.....64% in the RZ last year. Kinda seems too early to call it either way.

The 49ers have the tools to be a great offense. Even if you don't think Jimmy is great, he's more than adequate with the players around him. They just need to start putting together a string of good games. One or 2 TDs instead of FGs can be the difference. 14 points instead to 6. The possible difference between forcing the other team to score a TD and 2 point conversion.

The Oline needs to start playing a little better now that Williams is back. If they can jell as unit then thus offense should be really fun to watch.

We'll go as far as the OL takes us. Jimmy is playing really efficient ball and not forcing things. We have weapons when they have the ball in their hands, in space. We get that ground game up where it should be, you'll see this offense take off like a rocket and all the noise about McD being the "brains" of the operation will cease.

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by NCommand:
"It's just kind of a hodgepodge of stuff every week. ~ Kurt Warner

Kyle can call any play he wants and the fan-perspective can only be "execution." And like you said, you can apply this to any and every game.

The goal of any quality OC is knowing that's inevitable (poor execution, missed read, missed opportunity) and maximize the opportunities of your playmakers to overcome that.

For so many fans who so badly pitched for explosives and using the full field with all its playmakers its just odd that 'this' vanilla and conservative game plan is considered "great" despite it being a razor thin W.

I don't know where the Hodgepodge b******t comes from....That's f**king silly. That's a throwaway line that shouldn't be used to describe a Kyle offense. He's been running the same core concepts his entire time here. He's added different elements of gap style runs that have garnered more of a role in the ground game.

The offense as a whole has been in flux this entire season after pivoting from an installed offense that was gonna feature a QB running game to compliment the ground game. Through all of this injuries have made where either they've missed their all-pro tackle, All-pro WR and All-pro TE for portions of the season. It's shouldn't be that big of a surprise that the offense is still finding it's bearings.

Despite all of this, just look at the 3 game sample we have with CMC in the offense.

25.3 ppg
399.6 ypg
276.6 pass yards per game
123.0 rush yards per game
6.4 yards per play (188 total plays....94 pass attempt....9 sacks....85 run attempts)
3rd down rate (22/40.....55%)
55% pass/45% rush

This offense is closer than it looks to being pretty nuts. It just has to stay healthy and start to stack games together.

Agreed 816. I think we've forgotten about how the assistant coaching staff has been poached this past offseason. Some say MMcDaniel was the brains of the offense. Even though I disagree, he was a big part of implementing what Kyle wants and most likely had a lot of input on how things get done. New WR coach, new OC (right hand man to Kyle), new passing game coordinator, new TE coach, new QB coach. It's not a surprise the offense looks disjointed at times.

A head coach is involved with game planning and managing the psyche of the team. Fundamentals, technique, all the low level details, fall on the assistant and position coaches. It is Kyle that selects these assistant coaches, so that's on him. But I'm not surprised there's a feeling out process as players get used to the new coaches, and the new coaches get used to their new titles.

That said, it's now midsession and things should start gelling.

Gotta keep the guys heathy and start stackings games together to get some cohesion. I also think the whole McDaniel as the brain of the offense is silly yet predictable.

I think the Mitchell injury and losing his speed was the biggest loss.....The ground game is missing the explosives and those 1 play drives from it. I would be shocked if the ground game continues to struggle if Mitchell and CMC get serious carries down the stretch.

However, given all of that.....The offense with CMC has been what you'd want and that's even before it really starts to gel.

Is it? We were #1 in the RZ with him and the 4 minute offense. That's not to say he IS the brains but him with Kyle were legit and there's been a huge drop off. The play calls in the RZ have been weak, predictable and repetitive.

Huge drop-off? 55% in the RZ this year.....64% in the RZ last year. Kinda seems too early to call it either way.

They were #1. Now they're #17. And that's improved.

If Kyle can figure that out with MORE talent on the field he'll be rolling. But he's got to do it. 3 HB runs up the gut aren't cutting it.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by NCommand:
"It's just kind of a hodgepodge of stuff every week. ~ Kurt Warner

Kyle can call any play he wants and the fan-perspective can only be "execution." And like you said, you can apply this to any and every game.

The goal of any quality OC is knowing that's inevitable (poor execution, missed read, missed opportunity) and maximize the opportunities of your playmakers to overcome that.

For so many fans who so badly pitched for explosives and using the full field with all its playmakers its just odd that 'this' vanilla and conservative game plan is considered "great" despite it being a razor thin W.

I don't know where the Hodgepodge b******t comes from....That's f**king silly. That's a throwaway line that shouldn't be used to describe a Kyle offense. He's been running the same core concepts his entire time here. He's added different elements of gap style runs that have garnered more of a role in the ground game.

The offense as a whole has been in flux this entire season after pivoting from an installed offense that was gonna feature a QB running game to compliment the ground game. Through all of this injuries have made where either they've missed their all-pro tackle, All-pro WR and All-pro TE for portions of the season. It's shouldn't be that big of a surprise that the offense is still finding it's bearings.

Despite all of this, just look at the 3 game sample we have with CMC in the offense.

25.3 ppg
399.6 ypg
276.6 pass yards per game
123.0 rush yards per game
6.4 yards per play (188 total plays....94 pass attempt....9 sacks....85 run attempts)
3rd down rate (22/40.....55%)
55% pass/45% rush

This offense is closer than it looks to being pretty nuts. It just has to stay healthy and start to stack games together.

Agreed 816. I think we've forgotten about how the assistant coaching staff has been poached this past offseason. Some say MMcDaniel was the brains of the offense. Even though I disagree, he was a big part of implementing what Kyle wants and most likely had a lot of input on how things get done. New WR coach, new OC (right hand man to Kyle), new passing game coordinator, new TE coach, new QB coach. It's not a surprise the offense looks disjointed at times.

A head coach is involved with game planning and managing the psyche of the team. Fundamentals, technique, all the low level details, fall on the assistant and position coaches. It is Kyle that selects these assistant coaches, so that's on him. But I'm not surprised there's a feeling out process as players get used to the new coaches, and the new coaches get used to their new titles.

That said, it's now midsession and things should start gelling.

Gotta keep the guys heathy and start stackings games together to get some cohesion. I also think the whole McDaniel as the brain of the offense is silly yet predictable.

I think the Mitchell injury and losing his speed was the biggest loss.....The ground game is missing the explosives and those 1 play drives from it. I would be shocked if the ground game continues to struggle if Mitchell and CMC get serious carries down the stretch.

However, given all of that.....The offense with CMC has been what you'd want and that's even before it really starts to gel.

Is it? We were #1 in the RZ with him and the 4 minute offense. That's not to say he IS the brains but him with Kyle were legit and there's been a huge drop off. The play calls in the RZ have been weak, predictable and repetitive.

Huge drop-off? 55% in the RZ this year.....64% in the RZ last year. Kinda seems too early to call it either way.

They were #1. Now they're #17. And that's improved.

If Kyle can figure that out with MORE talent on the field he'll be rolling. But he's got to do it. 3 HB runs up the gut aren't cutting it.

There's also game management things affecting that too.
Like Kyle said this week, he was pretty confident we'd score if we threw it on 3rd down from the 2 but ran to to absolutely make sure LA had to burn their last timeout

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Who is this DL? Is he a X's and O's film guy? Does he have videos that demonstrate his football knowledge?

David Lombardi, beat writer for the Athletic. Good writer and cover guy, not so much an X and O's guy. big jimmy guy. Overall really like his work.
Fun fact, NC used to say DL was actually NY85 and called him a shill for the niners l….and now his word is gospel . We've come a long way

Yeah, X's and O's, you wanna look to 816 here, Panelli, Warner, etc. Guys that look deeper than just the play itself in isolation but more from, "...what might have been a better call here or a better way to attack what Staley was trying to do here or here is how you make this easier on your QB/offense" perspective.

Lombardi is YAC on steroids. He notes trends and works with a full Athletic team to help identify these. Advanced PFF is his go-to but he'll reference other sources out there too to solidify the trends he's seeing.

I highly recommend his YouTube channel as he goes into great detail about why he sees what he sees. I'd also recommend their podcast (Here's the Catch).

Post game film work, go to Crocker/Panelli and JD on YouTube too.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by NCommand:
"It's just kind of a hodgepodge of stuff every week. ~ Kurt Warner

Kyle can call any play he wants and the fan-perspective can only be "execution." And like you said, you can apply this to any and every game.

The goal of any quality OC is knowing that's inevitable (poor execution, missed read, missed opportunity) and maximize the opportunities of your playmakers to overcome that.

For so many fans who so badly pitched for explosives and using the full field with all its playmakers its just odd that 'this' vanilla and conservative game plan is considered "great" despite it being a razor thin W.

I don't know where the Hodgepodge b******t comes from....That's f**king silly. That's a throwaway line that shouldn't be used to describe a Kyle offense. He's been running the same core concepts his entire time here. He's added different elements of gap style runs that have garnered more of a role in the ground game.

The offense as a whole has been in flux this entire season after pivoting from an installed offense that was gonna feature a QB running game to compliment the ground game. Through all of this injuries have made where either they've missed their all-pro tackle, All-pro WR and All-pro TE for portions of the season. It's shouldn't be that big of a surprise that the offense is still finding it's bearings.

Despite all of this, just look at the 3 game sample we have with CMC in the offense.

25.3 ppg
399.6 ypg
276.6 pass yards per game
123.0 rush yards per game
6.4 yards per play (188 total plays....94 pass attempt....9 sacks....85 run attempts)
3rd down rate (22/40.....55%)
55% pass/45% rush

This offense is closer than it looks to being pretty nuts. It just has to stay healthy and start to stack games together.

Agreed 816. I think we've forgotten about how the assistant coaching staff has been poached this past offseason. Some say MMcDaniel was the brains of the offense. Even though I disagree, he was a big part of implementing what Kyle wants and most likely had a lot of input on how things get done. New WR coach, new OC (right hand man to Kyle), new passing game coordinator, new TE coach, new QB coach. It's not a surprise the offense looks disjointed at times.

A head coach is involved with game planning and managing the psyche of the team. Fundamentals, technique, all the low level details, fall on the assistant and position coaches. It is Kyle that selects these assistant coaches, so that's on him. But I'm not surprised there's a feeling out process as players get used to the new coaches, and the new coaches get used to their new titles.

That said, it's now midsession and things should start gelling.

Gotta keep the guys heathy and start stackings games together to get some cohesion. I also think the whole McDaniel as the brain of the offense is silly yet predictable.

I think the Mitchell injury and losing his speed was the biggest loss.....The ground game is missing the explosives and those 1 play drives from it. I would be shocked if the ground game continues to struggle if Mitchell and CMC get serious carries down the stretch.

However, given all of that.....The offense with CMC has been what you'd want and that's even before it really starts to gel.

Is it? We were #1 in the RZ with him and the 4 minute offense. That's not to say he IS the brains but him with Kyle were legit and there's been a huge drop off. The play calls in the RZ have been weak, predictable and repetitive.

Huge drop-off? 55% in the RZ this year.....64% in the RZ last year. Kinda seems too early to call it either way.

They were #1. Now they're #17. And that's improved.

If Kyle can figure that out with MORE talent on the field he'll be rolling. But he's got to do it. 3 HB runs up the gut aren't cutting it.

There's also game management things affecting that too.
Like Kyle said this week, he was pretty confident we'd score if we threw it on 3rd down from the 2 but ran to to absolutely make sure LA had to burn their last timeout

True true!

Originally posted by NCommand:
They were #1. Now they're #17. And that's improved.

If Kyle can figure that out with MORE talent on the field he'll be rolling. But he's got to do it. 3 HB runs up the gut aren't cutting it.

Where did I say improved? I don't care about the ranking....I care about the number. Some years 64% gets to number 1 other years it doesn't.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by NCommand:
"It's just kind of a hodgepodge of stuff every week. ~ Kurt Warner

Kyle can call any play he wants and the fan-perspective can only be "execution." And like you said, you can apply this to any and every game.

The goal of any quality OC is knowing that's inevitable (poor execution, missed read, missed opportunity) and maximize the opportunities of your playmakers to overcome that.

For so many fans who so badly pitched for explosives and using the full field with all its playmakers its just odd that 'this' vanilla and conservative game plan is considered "great" despite it being a razor thin W.

I don't know where the Hodgepodge b******t comes from....That's f**king silly. That's a throwaway line that shouldn't be used to describe a Kyle offense. He's been running the same core concepts his entire time here. He's added different elements of gap style runs that have garnered more of a role in the ground game.

The offense as a whole has been in flux this entire season after pivoting from an installed offense that was gonna feature a QB running game to compliment the ground game. Through all of this injuries have made where either they've missed their all-pro tackle, All-pro WR and All-pro TE for portions of the season. It's shouldn't be that big of a surprise that the offense is still finding it's bearings.

Despite all of this, just look at the 3 game sample we have with CMC in the offense.

25.3 ppg
399.6 ypg
276.6 pass yards per game
123.0 rush yards per game
6.4 yards per play (188 total plays....94 pass attempt....9 sacks....85 run attempts)
3rd down rate (22/40.....55%)
55% pass/45% rush

This offense is closer than it looks to being pretty nuts. It just has to stay healthy and start to stack games together.

Agreed 816. I think we've forgotten about how the assistant coaching staff has been poached this past offseason. Some say MMcDaniel was the brains of the offense. Even though I disagree, he was a big part of implementing what Kyle wants and most likely had a lot of input on how things get done. New WR coach, new OC (right hand man to Kyle), new passing game coordinator, new TE coach, new QB coach. It's not a surprise the offense looks disjointed at times.

A head coach is involved with game planning and managing the psyche of the team. Fundamentals, technique, all the low level details, fall on the assistant and position coaches. It is Kyle that selects these assistant coaches, so that's on him. But I'm not surprised there's a feeling out process as players get used to the new coaches, and the new coaches get used to their new titles.

That said, it's now midsession and things should start gelling.

Gotta keep the guys heathy and start stackings games together to get some cohesion. I also think the whole McDaniel as the brain of the offense is silly yet predictable.

I think the Mitchell injury and losing his speed was the biggest loss.....The ground game is missing the explosives and those 1 play drives from it. I would be shocked if the ground game continues to struggle if Mitchell and CMC get serious carries down the stretch.

However, given all of that.....The offense with CMC has been what you'd want and that's even before it really starts to gel.

Is it? We were #1 in the RZ with him and the 4 minute offense. That's not to say he IS the brains but him with Kyle were legit and there's been a huge drop off. The play calls in the RZ have been weak, predictable and repetitive.

Huge drop-off? 55% in the RZ this year.....64% in the RZ last year. Kinda seems too early to call it either way.

The 49ers have the tools to be a great offense. Even if you don't think Jimmy is great, he's more than adequate with the players around him. They just need to start putting together a string of good games. One or 2 TDs instead of FGs can be the difference. 14 points instead to 6. The possible difference between forcing the other team to score a TD and 2 point conversion.

The Oline needs to start playing a little better now that Williams is back. If they can jell as unit then thus offense should be really fun to watch.

Yeah, once he added CMC and hit the bye-week with everyone back healthy except Trey, the excuses are out the window esp. given how Jimmy has been playing; you can't get more efficient than that right now.

IMHO, of course

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by NCommand:
"It's just kind of a hodgepodge of stuff every week. ~ Kurt Warner

Kyle can call any play he wants and the fan-perspective can only be "execution." And like you said, you can apply this to any and every game.

The goal of any quality OC is knowing that's inevitable (poor execution, missed read, missed opportunity) and maximize the opportunities of your playmakers to overcome that.

For so many fans who so badly pitched for explosives and using the full field with all its playmakers its just odd that 'this' vanilla and conservative game plan is considered "great" despite it being a razor thin W.

I don't know where the Hodgepodge b******t comes from....That's f**king silly. That's a throwaway line that shouldn't be used to describe a Kyle offense. He's been running the same core concepts his entire time here. He's added different elements of gap style runs that have garnered more of a role in the ground game.

The offense as a whole has been in flux this entire season after pivoting from an installed offense that was gonna feature a QB running game to compliment the ground game. Through all of this injuries have made where either they've missed their all-pro tackle, All-pro WR and All-pro TE for portions of the season. It's shouldn't be that big of a surprise that the offense is still finding it's bearings.

Despite all of this, just look at the 3 game sample we have with CMC in the offense.

25.3 ppg
399.6 ypg
276.6 pass yards per game
123.0 rush yards per game
6.4 yards per play (188 total plays....94 pass attempt....9 sacks....85 run attempts)
3rd down rate (22/40.....55%)
55% pass/45% rush

This offense is closer than it looks to being pretty nuts. It just has to stay healthy and start to stack games together.

Agreed 816. I think we've forgotten about how the assistant coaching staff has been poached this past offseason. Some say MMcDaniel was the brains of the offense. Even though I disagree, he was a big part of implementing what Kyle wants and most likely had a lot of input on how things get done. New WR coach, new OC (right hand man to Kyle), new passing game coordinator, new TE coach, new QB coach. It's not a surprise the offense looks disjointed at times.

A head coach is involved with game planning and managing the psyche of the team. Fundamentals, technique, all the low level details, fall on the assistant and position coaches. It is Kyle that selects these assistant coaches, so that's on him. But I'm not surprised there's a feeling out process as players get used to the new coaches, and the new coaches get used to their new titles.

That said, it's now midsession and things should start gelling.

Gotta keep the guys heathy and start stackings games together to get some cohesion. I also think the whole McDaniel as the brain of the offense is silly yet predictable.

I think the Mitchell injury and losing his speed was the biggest loss.....The ground game is missing the explosives and those 1 play drives from it. I would be shocked if the ground game continues to struggle if Mitchell and CMC get serious carries down the stretch.

However, given all of that.....The offense with CMC has been what you'd want and that's even before it really starts to gel.

Is it? We were #1 in the RZ with him and the 4 minute offense. That's not to say he IS the brains but him with Kyle were legit and there's been a huge drop off. The play calls in the RZ have been weak, predictable and repetitive.

Huge drop-off? 55% in the RZ this year.....64% in the RZ last year. Kinda seems too early to call it either way.

The 49ers have the tools to be a great offense. Even if you don't think Jimmy is great, he's more than adequate with the players around him. They just need to start putting together a string of good games. One or 2 TDs instead of FGs can be the difference. 14 points instead to 6. The possible difference between forcing the other team to score a TD and 2 point conversion.

The Oline needs to start playing a little better now that Williams is back. If they can jell as unit then thus offense should be really fun to watch.

We'll go as far as the OL takes us. Jimmy is playing really efficient ball and not forcing things. We have weapons when they have the ball in their hands, in space. We get that ground game up where it should be, you'll see this offense take off like a rocket and all the noise about McD being the "brains" of the operation will cease.

Ah. A voice of reason.

Its better than someone showing all the 2nd and longs we were in without taking into consideration any context that should go along with it. I am all for calling out Kyle the HC because poor execution at some point should lie squarely on his shoulders when it seems to be an on going problem. But calling him out as a playcaller is just dumb and uninformed.

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by NCommand:
They were #1. Now they're #17. And that's improved.

If Kyle can figure that out with MORE talent on the field he'll be rolling. But he's got to do it. 3 HB runs up the gut aren't cutting it.

Where did I say improved? I don't care about the ranking....I care about the number. Some years 64% gets to number 1 other years it doesn't.

That's fine. Just showing you the drop off. We have far better pass protection, Jimmy is playing far better and we have far more weapons. Should there be a drop off at all? And why would there be? You think Raheem Mostert?

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Ah. A voice of reason.

Its better than someone showing all the 2nd and longs we were in without taking into consideration any context that should go along with it. I am all for calling out Kyle the HC because poor execution at some point should lie squarely on his shoulders when it seems to be an on going problem. But calling him out as a playcaller is just dumb and uninformed.

I note those all the time because our offense goes as our first down offense goes. In this case, we were able to overcome that in the 4Q with stellar 3rd down %. In short, no matter the finger-point issue, life was made much harder than it should have been. That was the point. Given we had 41 rushes, it wasn't hard to see where much of that started from.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
We'll go as far as the OL takes us. Jimmy is playing really efficient ball and not forcing things. We have weapons when they have the ball in their hands, in space. We get that ground game up where it should be, you'll see this offense take off like a rocket and all the noise about McD being the "brains" of the operation will cease.

Agreed.

Do you think Jimmy can continue to play this efficient throughout? That's very hard to sustain for any QB.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Ah. A voice of reason.

Its better than someone showing all the 2nd and longs we were in without taking into consideration any context that should go along with it. I am all for calling out Kyle the HC because poor execution at some point should lie squarely on his shoulders when it seems to be an on going problem. But calling him out as a playcaller is just dumb and uninformed.

I note those all the time because our offense goes as our first down offense goes. In this case, we were able to overcome that in the 4Q with stellar 3rd down %. In short, no matter the finger-point issue, life was made much harder than it should have been. That was the point. Given we had 41 rushes, it wasn't hard to see where much of that started from.

Yup. It came from missed blocking assignments like JD pointed out and CMC having an off day. Kyle should have adjusted sooner and gave the rock to Mitchell more than he did in the first half. When he moved that arrow more toward Mitchell in the 2nd half, we began to move the ball better. Why? Because Mitchell was putting us in better 2nd and 3rd down situations. You continue to stay on Kyle the poor playcaller narrative that your trying to drive where the issue was more about Kyle the poor personnel manager.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Ah. A voice of reason.

Its better than someone showing all the 2nd and longs we were in without taking into consideration any context that should go along with it. I am all for calling out Kyle the HC because poor execution at some point should lie squarely on his shoulders when it seems to be an on going problem. But calling him out as a playcaller is just dumb and uninformed.

I note those all the time because our offense goes as our first down offense goes. In this case, we were able to overcome that in the 4Q with stellar 3rd down %. In short, no matter the finger-point issue, life was made much harder than it should have been. That was the point. Given we had 41 rushes, it wasn't hard to see where much of that started from.

Yup. It came from missed blocking assignments like JD pointed out and CMC having an off day. Kyle should have adjusted sooner and gave the rock to Mitchell more than he did in the first half. When he moved that arrow more toward Mitchell in the 2nd half, we began to move the ball better. Why? Because Mitchell was putting us in better 2nd and 3rd down situations. You continue to stay on Kyle the poor playcaller narrative that your trying to drive where the issue was more about Kyle the poor personnel manager.

I never ever said he was a poor play caller. In fact, I just said yesterday, IMHO, he's been a slightly above average (has "great" potential) play caller and a below average HC this year. That's so far. Right now he's not getting the most out of his play makers and there are discipline issues all over the place.

Now if he gets better, I'll call that out as well.

He's just not going to get full blind love from me after 6 off seasons with total team control.

Unless winning the Superbowl is no longer the standard.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Ah. A voice of reason.

Its better than someone showing all the 2nd and longs we were in without taking into consideration any context that should go along with it. I am all for calling out Kyle the HC because poor execution at some point should lie squarely on his shoulders when it seems to be an on going problem. But calling him out as a playcaller is just dumb and uninformed.

I note those all the time because our offense goes as our first down offense goes. In this case, we were able to overcome that in the 4Q with stellar 3rd down %. In short, no matter the finger-point issue, life was made much harder than it should have been. That was the point. Given we had 41 rushes, it wasn't hard to see where much of that started from.

Yup. It came from missed blocking assignments like JD pointed out and CMC having an off day. Kyle should have adjusted sooner and gave the rock to Mitchell more than he did in the first half. When he moved that arrow more toward Mitchell in the 2nd half, we began to move the ball better. Why? Because Mitchell was putting us in better 2nd and 3rd down situations. You continue to stay on Kyle the poor playcaller narrative that your trying to drive where the issue was more about Kyle the poor personnel manager.

I never ever said he was a poor play caller. In fact, I just said yesterday, IMHO, he's been a slightly above average (has "great" potential) play caller and a below average HC this year. That's so far. Right now he's not getting the most out of his play makers. Now if he gets better, I'll call that out as well.

He's just not going to get full blind love from me after 6 off seasons with total team control.

Unless winning the Superbowl is no longer the standard.

But hasn't your whole speel about all the 2nd and long situations been you pointing toward poor playcalling? Or have I misunderstood your whole argument up to this point?

Being super conservative doesn't make you a bad play caller but it may mean you are not a fit for the personnel on offense. There are far too many weapons and far too much talent, maybe up near tops in the league (minus QB) to be up three points in the 4th quarter. Or consistently behind or killing clock time to not lose instead of to put the dagger in the heart.

It's his style while that may not be bad in the big picture I had hoped for a much more explosive and fun to watch offense. But that's me as a delusional fan. There is a certain head coach in Miami that I would have loved to see as OC while Kyle HC just to see what would have happened. There maybe others out there with similar talents. Look to the Bills. Kyle maybe has too much on his plate.