Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Lol that's not calling out s**t. Look at the damn play and see what the problem was. Not just the result of it. Perfect example are those two missed RPOs, both went for negative yards BUT in reality if the QB read it properly it was a TD and the other was at the very least an explosive (possible TD).

You want to call about bad play calling…well show it what the proper play call should have been?

Run Mike McDaniel's aggressively smart RPOs instead of our predictable ones. Duh

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by NCommand:
They were #1. Now they're #17. And that's improved.

If Kyle can figure that out with MORE talent on the field he'll be rolling. But he's got to do it. 3 HB runs up the gut aren't cutting it.

Where did I say improved? I don't care about the ranking....I care about the number. Some years 64% gets to number 1 other years it doesn't.

That's fine. Just showing you the drop off. We have far better pass protection, Jimmy is playing far better and we have far more weapons. Should there be a drop off at all? And why would there be? You think Raheem Mostert?

How many actual games have we had all the weapons together? You form cohesion by playing together. Usually stacking reps helps cure offensive ills. Got to find those go-to concepts. Last Year the Deebo sweep took the league by storm.....Not surprisingly, the league is looking for these.

Jimmy is a good player and is playing well. There's nothing magical about this. If he continues this arch and the team stays healthy, this team will put forth a top offense. Our sample size just with CMC shows an offense scoring over 25+, gaining almost 400+ yards and converting 3rd down at a crazy 55% rate. It's just not as bad as it seems.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Ah. A voice of reason.

Its better than someone showing all the 2nd and longs we were in without taking into consideration any context that should go along with it. I am all for calling out Kyle the HC because poor execution at some point should lie squarely on his shoulders when it seems to be an on going problem. But calling him out as a playcaller is just dumb and uninformed.

I note those all the time because our offense goes as our first down offense goes. In this case, we were able to overcome that in the 4Q with stellar 3rd down %. In short, no matter the finger-point issue, life was made much harder than it should have been. That was the point. Given we had 41 rushes, it wasn't hard to see where much of that started from.

Yup. It came from missed blocking assignments like JD pointed out and CMC having an off day. Kyle should have adjusted sooner and gave the rock to Mitchell more than he did in the first half. When he moved that arrow more toward Mitchell in the 2nd half, we began to move the ball better. Why? Because Mitchell was putting us in better 2nd and 3rd down situations. You continue to stay on Kyle the poor playcaller narrative that your trying to drive where the issue was more about Kyle the poor personnel manager.

I never ever said he was a poor play caller. In fact, I just said yesterday, IMHO, he's been a slightly above average (has "great" potential) play caller and a below average HC this year. That's so far. Right now he's not getting the most out of his play makers. Now if he gets better, I'll call that out as well.

He's just not going to get full blind love from me after 6 off seasons with total team control.

Unless winning the Superbowl is no longer the standard.

But hasn't your whole speel about all the 2nd and long situations been you pointing toward poor playcalling? Or have I misunderstood your whole argument up to this point?

No, I said there's a number of issues why we were constantly in 2nd and long. The 10 yards penalties, predictable play calling, poor execution, volume of runs, passing game, RPO game, etc. Kyle was referenced more simply because of the 41 rushing attempts and the narrative was it was a vanilla and conservative game plan. That too starts with Kyle and its his decision to stick with that, predominantly. And that was coming out of 2 weeks of preparation and full health. With a highly efficient 3rd down game by the QB, this one titled more to Kyle.

So often in here you hear, Kyle called a great game and so-so just missed it. IMHO, this was the exact reverse of that.

A vanilla and conservative gameplan that held the ball for over 37 minutes and were a few missed assignments away from blowing out a quality opponent.

Because we won at the very end. Had Jimmy not converted one of those 3rd downs, it's probably a loss and the Jimmy thread is going apes**t right now.

If we had used our play makers and got up and 'then' got vanilla and conservative to burn the clock and hold the W, fine.

...just made it way harder than it needed to be.

Congrats. Jimmy did what he is paid to do, convert 3rd downs. Mitchell also did his job very well when given the opportunity. He set up more managable 3rd down situations by averaging 4.9 ypc. Kyle also did a good job calling the plays necessary to convert those crucial 3rd downs. The defense and ST's also did their part. It was a solid team win all around. Could it have been better? Sure. The offense could have put up more points. But the defense could have been better early on in the game as well.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Ah. A voice of reason.

Its better than someone showing all the 2nd and longs we were in without taking into consideration any context that should go along with it. I am all for calling out Kyle the HC because poor execution at some point should lie squarely on his shoulders when it seems to be an on going problem. But calling him out as a playcaller is just dumb and uninformed.

I note those all the time because our offense goes as our first down offense goes. In this case, we were able to overcome that in the 4Q with stellar 3rd down %. In short, no matter the finger-point issue, life was made much harder than it should have been. That was the point. Given we had 41 rushes, it wasn't hard to see where much of that started from.

Yup. It came from missed blocking assignments like JD pointed out and CMC having an off day. Kyle should have adjusted sooner and gave the rock to Mitchell more than he did in the first half. When he moved that arrow more toward Mitchell in the 2nd half, we began to move the ball better. Why? Because Mitchell was putting us in better 2nd and 3rd down situations. You continue to stay on Kyle the poor playcaller narrative that your trying to drive where the issue was more about Kyle the poor personnel manager.

I never ever said he was a poor play caller. In fact, I just said yesterday, IMHO, he's been a slightly above average (has "great" potential) play caller and a below average HC this year. That's so far. Right now he's not getting the most out of his play makers. Now if he gets better, I'll call that out as well.

He's just not going to get full blind love from me after 6 off seasons with total team control.

Unless winning the Superbowl is no longer the standard.

But hasn't your whole speel about all the 2nd and long situations been you pointing toward poor playcalling? Or have I misunderstood your whole argument up to this point?

No, I said there's a number of issues why we were constantly in 2nd and long. The 10 yards penalties, predictable play calling, poor execution, volume of runs, passing game, RPO game, etc. Kyle was referenced more simply because of the 41 rushing attempts and the narrative was it was a vanilla and conservative game plan. That too starts with Kyle and its his decision to stick with that, predominantly. And that was coming out of 2 weeks of preparation and full health. With a highly efficient 3rd down game by the QB, this one titled more to Kyle.

So often in here you hear, Kyle called a great game and so-so just missed it. IMHO, this was the exact reverse of that.

A vanilla and conservative gameplan that held the ball for over 37 minutes and were a few missed assignments away from blowing out a quality opponent.

Because we won at the very end. Had Jimmy not converted one of those 3rd downs, it's probably a loss and the Jimmy thread is going apes**t right now.

If we had used our play makers and got up and 'then' got vanilla and conservative to burn the clock and hold the W, fine.

...just made it way harder than it needed to be.

Congrats. Jimmy did what he is paid to do, convert 3rd downs. Mitchell also did his job very well when given the opportunity. He set up more managable 3rd down situations by averaging 4.9 ypc. Kyle also did a good job calling the plays necessary to convert those crucial 3rd downs. The defense and ST's also did their part. It was a solid team win all around. Could it have been better? Sure. The offense could have put up more points. But the defense could have been better early on in the game as well.

K.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Lol that's not calling out s**t. Look at the damn play and see what the problem was. Not just the result of it. Perfect example are those two missed RPOs, both went for negative yards BUT in reality if the QB read it properly it was a TD and the other was at the very least an explosive (possible TD).

You want to call about bad play calling…well show it what the proper play call should have been?

Run Mike McDaniel's aggressively smart RPOs instead of our predictable ones. Duh

They are 6th in RZ at 67.65% ...so maybe.

Jimmy G is NOT Brady nor a Probowl QB due to his limitations. He was never a high TD QB anyway, he's on schedule to throw 22 TDs for the season, mind you he passed for 20 TDs last season in 15 games and 27 TDs in 2019 in 16 games AKA HE'S NOT ELITE. With no TC with the team this season and KS wasn't preparing him as QB1, even with all the weapons on offense and adding CMC (a RB), does anyone really expect him with his limitations to pass for 30+ TDs in 16 games?

🤣 NO CHANCE, might as well stop with the malcontent ridiculous whining and stupid bored sports media nonsense that KS's playcalling without McDaniel is an issue, FAKE Sports Media News as always, if they go deep into the playoffs again and make it to the SB with Jimmy and win it, it would be a team effort because Jimmy G and his limitations AIN'T CARRYING 🤣

I would rely on the running game and D for Championship, it's a proven formula and they sure used it vs the Chargers a good 5-3 team.

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by NCommand:
They were #1. Now they're #17. And that's improved.

If Kyle can figure that out with MORE talent on the field he'll be rolling. But he's got to do it. 3 HB runs up the gut aren't cutting it.

Where did I say improved? I don't care about the ranking....I care about the number. Some years 64% gets to number 1 other years it doesn't.

That's fine. Just showing you the drop off. We have far better pass protection, Jimmy is playing far better and we have far more weapons. Should there be a drop off at all? And why would there be? You think Raheem Mostert?

How many actual games have we had all the weapons together? You form cohesion by playing together. Usually stacking reps helps cure offensive ills. Got to find those go-to concepts. Last Year the Deebo sweep took the league by storm.....Not surprisingly, the league is looking for these.

Jimmy is a good player and is playing well. There's nothing magical about this. If he continues this arch and the team stays healthy, this team will put forth a top offense. Our sample size just with CMC shows an offense scoring over 25+, gaining almost 400+ yards and converting 3rd down at a crazy 55% rate. It's just not as bad as it seems.

Do we really need a full compliment of Deebo, Aiyuk, Jennings, Juice, Mitchell, CMC, Kittle, etc. to be better in the RZ though?

Are we seeing any creativity down there? Guys just not winning? Jimmy not seeing them?

What are you seeing this year compared to last year? Deebo/Mostert.

Around my house we call the play after two failed runs up the middle, or a failed run and cute gadget play…Third and Jimmy

ever since Jimmy pulled off two third and sixteens against the Rams in the same drive to win the game…Third and Jimmy

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Cute. I call EVERYTHING out and not just on Kyle the OC/HC. This was my original post right after the game on just him/offense. Lots of continuing themes here both as OC/HC. That was before we even got into the "execution" issues too.

Try hard to hold everyone to the same standard. You don't need to run interference for Kyle every Monday morning. We all know him...even better than JG.

Kyle the Playcaller:
2nd and 11
2nd and 11
2nd and 10
2nd and 7
2nd and 12
2nd and 20
2nd and 20
2nd and 10
2nd and 9
2nd and 13
2nd and 11
Ultra conservative RZ (tops last year with Mike McDaniel and the 4-minute offense)

--- This is not making life easy on your QB as K.Warner noted. This is on just 10 possessions.

Kyle the Head Coach:
"Shooting itself in the foot" has been a cultural theme under Kyle
Penalties
Drops
Injuries
Outschemed
Oversight of defense and special teams
Lack of accountability
Doghouse (Aiyuk) for some; Penthouse (McGlinchey) for others
Slow in-game and half-time adjustments
Inability to close out games
Zero complete games in all 3 phases

--- These are killer signs in a HC.

Lol that's not calling out s**t. Look at the damn play and see what the problem was. Not just the result of it. Perfect example are those two missed RPOs, both went for negative yards BUT in reality if the QB read it properly it was a TD and the other was at the very least an explosive (possible TD).

You want to call about bad play calling…well show it what the proper play call should have been?

That's calling out patterns of concern to date. Only you can ignore all of it.

Everything is perfect in Kyle's world. LOL

Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
Around my house we call the play after two failed runs up the middle, or a failed run and cute gadget play…Third and Jimmy

ever since Jimmy pulled off two third and sixteens against the Rams in the same drive to win the game…Third and Jimmy

LMAO.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Do we really need a full compliment of Deebo, Aiyuk, Jennings, Juice, Mitchell, CMC, Kittle, etc. to be better in the RZ though?

Are we seeing any creativity down there? Guys just not winning? Jimmy not seeing them?

What are you seeing this year compared to last year? Deebo/Mostert.

What we seeing is Jimmy G is the same old Jimmy, NOT ELITE, he's on schedule to pass for 22 TDs, 2 more than last season, hardly elite or even probowl, let's blame that on KS 🤣

And don't forget ANY receivers who drops catchable passes that could turn into TDs, please also be malcontents and blame those on KS TOO 🤣!!!!!!!!!!!!

FING RIDICULOUS.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:
Cohn is 🤡 show, Lombardi deals with data and facts.

Lombardi also only brings up data that fits his narrative. He pretends he understands X's and O's. He does retweet Jonny's stuff which is cool.

grant is an asshat

More lies. LOL

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Do we really need a full compliment of Deebo, Aiyuk, Jennings, Juice, Mitchell, CMC, Kittle, etc. to be better in the RZ though?

Are we seeing any creativity down there? Guys just not winning? Jimmy not seeing them?

What are you seeing this year compared to last year? Deebo/Mostert.

What we seeing is Jimmy G is the same old Jimmy, NOT ELITE, he's on schedule to pass for 22 TDs, 2 more than last season, hardly elite or even probowl, let's blame that on KS 🤣

I was asking someone who has more than one singular Jimmy Garoppolo-is-everything brain cell here. Thanks.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
Around my house we call the play after two failed runs up the middle, or a failed run and cute gadget play…Third and Jimmy

ever since Jimmy pulled off two third and sixteens against the Rams in the same drive to win the game…Third and Jimmy

LMAO.

That is genius mate. Third and Jimmy he did that with that house blitz he hit BA set up the CMC TD

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Do we really need a full compliment of Deebo, Aiyuk, Jennings, Juice, Mitchell, CMC, Kittle, etc. to be better in the RZ though?

Are we seeing any creativity down there? Guys just not winning? Jimmy not seeing them?

What are you seeing this year compared to last year? Deebo/Mostert.

What we seeing is Jimmy G is the same old Jimmy, NOT ELITE, he's on schedule to pass for 22 TDs, 2 more than last season, hardly elite or even probowl, let's blame that on KS 🤣

I was asking someone who has more than one singular Jimmy Garoppolo-is-everything brain cell here. Thanks.

Was muted back to muted, bored and pushing for Jimmy to be more than he is and blaming a KS who isn't leaving and IS IN FACT CALLING THE SHOTS is f**king ridiculous and complete waste of time, GL living that way in life.

Jimmy is GONE after this season regardless, if they win a SB it will be a Team Win and Team effort with KS still calling the plays and Jimmy still being mediocre and the running game and D playing a big part, NO OTHER WAY AROUND IT, Jimmy ain't throwing for 30+ tds and without any bonehead plays aka INTs, if he ever did he would be a probowler already regardless how many good healthy weapons they got on the roster.