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Nov 17, 2022 at 1:27 PM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Someone should let Steve know Kyle don't roll that way and he's wrong

Lol right? A couple people in here apparently know kyle better than Steve Young

Lol. Kyle is the complete opposite of Walsh. Run to set up the pass, doesn't care about QB mechanics, the details, picks a running QB to add to his running game, etc. He even takes offense to calling his offense a WCO. But if you want to ignore Kyle's own comments, by all means.
Nov 17, 2022 at 1:27 PM
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Exactly. Kyle does run an offense that gets the best out of his QB's strengths. What is being asked by NC is for Kyle to completely abandon his offensive philosophy in order to cater to the QB. No HC/OC would ever do that.

Abandon what? Calling pass plays that play to his current QBs strengths? Running the ball, so the current QB doesn't have to put the team on his back? He's got Jimmy playing out of the fun plenty and it's not like he's calling a bunch of 5/7 drops with long developing routes….it's easy reads and getting the ball out quick. He's not a gun slinger who's extending the plays. He built whole damn team around him
Nov 17, 2022 at 1:27 PM
Originally posted by Niners816:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by Furlow:
You know not EVERY play is RPO, right?

Of course.

Dolphins are running a lot of them though. Tua is CHOOSING to pass. Not McDaniel

To call a team running a lot of RPOs pass centric is completely disingenious.

Tua in college and when he played in the NFL prior to this yr was the tits at RPOs


I'm not sure what the % of RPOs are, I'm sure that can be found somewhere. He's just good at it.

Nice to see a HC adapt to his QB's strengths. Let us know when Kyle adds spread concepts for Jimmy. Hehe.

You mean like adding the Patriots Hoss-juke concept to the 2018 playbook


Keep going.
Nov 17, 2022 at 1:28 PM
I think Jimmy's best throw this season was the one to Kittle, endzone in the Rams game. Tight window, DB hanging right in front, edge of the end zone with very little wiggle room, usually "starting QBs" make those kind of throws.
Maybe flash in the pan or maybe not. Let's hope he continues to improve, because at some point, the 49ers might have to go through at least three of these: Chiefs, Bills, Vikings, Bucs and/or Dallas.
Having home field advantage helps, but it is what it is at this point.

Good tests coming up - Bucs and Dolphins
Nov 17, 2022 at 1:28 PM
Originally posted by Furlow:
Do you know what percentage of plays are RPO's for Miami? And of those RPO's, how many end up being passes versus runs? Same questions for the Niners?

Percentage no. Article points out they have passed 20 more times out of rpo plays than the 9ers. So had those all been runs they would have 2 more rushing attempts then the 9ers on the season with one extra game.

Basically the Dolphins would be averaging 3 rushes per game less than the 9ers if they rushed as many times in rpos as the 9ers.

Hardly a pass centric offense. Tua has made it more pass centric with HIS decisions.
Nov 17, 2022 at 1:29 PM
Originally posted by Niners816:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by Furlow:
You know not EVERY play is RPO, right?

Of course.

Dolphins are running a lot of them though. Tua is CHOOSING to pass. Not McDaniel

To call a team running a lot of RPOs pass centric is completely disingenious.

Tua in college and when he played in the NFL prior to this yr was the tits at RPOs


I'm not sure what the % of RPOs are, I'm sure that can be found somewhere. He's just good at it.

Nice to see a HC adapt to his QB's strengths. Let us know when Kyle adds spread concepts for Jimmy. Hehe.

You mean like adding the Patriots Hoss-juke concept to the 2018 playbook


Oops lol
Nov 17, 2022 at 1:30 PM
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Someone should let Steve know Kyle don't roll that way and he's wrong

Lol right? A couple people in here apparently know kyle better than Steve Young

Lol. Kyle is the complete opposite of Walsh. Run to set up the pass, doesn't care about QB mechanics, the details, picks a running QB to add to his running game, etc. He even takes offense to calling his offense a WCO. But if you want to ignore Kyle's own comments, by all means.

So NOW you are using Kyles comment about it not being WCO as your defense when for years you have been dismissing that very comment because it went against what you were pushing? Holy s**t NC
Nov 17, 2022 at 1:30 PM
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Do you know what percentage of plays are RPO's for Miami? And of those RPO's, how many end up being passes versus runs? Same questions for the Niners?

Percentage no. Article points out they have passed 20 more times out of rpo plays than the 9ers. So had those all been runs they would have 2 more rushing attempts then the 9ers on the season with one extra game.

Basically the Dolphins would be averaging 3 rushes per game less than the 9ers if they rushed as many times in rpos as the 9ers.

Hardly a pass centric offense. Tua has made it more pass centric with HIS decisions.

You clearly haven't watched them. You'll see how pass centric they are when we face them. Bookmark this.
Nov 17, 2022 at 1:32 PM
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Someone should let Steve know Kyle don't roll that way and he's wrong

Lol right? A couple people in here apparently know kyle better than Steve Young

Lol. Kyle is the complete opposite of Walsh. Run to set up the pass, doesn't care about QB mechanics, the details, picks a running QB to add to his running game, etc. He even takes offense to calling his offense a WCO. But if you want to ignore Kyle's own comments, by all means.

So NOW you are using Kyles comment about it not being WCO as your defense when for years you have been dismissing that very comment because it went against what you were pushing? Holy s**t NC

The entire offense is basically WCO terminology. I'd personally call it a WCO. But HE is the one who takes offense to that. Not me.
Nov 17, 2022 at 1:32 PM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Oh my god, it's Kyle's fault Jimmy didn't run out of bounds? Dude you gotta be trolling at this point.

Lance running is reckless, Justin fields/hurts running is electric apparently lol.

NY, it's difficult to discuss with you when you lob accusations of trolling..

It's it really too much to ask that when we pay record money we have that guy on the field?

We lost JG in 2018 to a 100% preventable injury.

I sincerely question if KS coached up any self preservation in JG or TL. I mean I see JG hold the ball and eat dumb sacks all the time, refusing to throw away, again self preservation.. which does not happen here.. go back to the 2021 Titans injury he holds like 10 secs gets hit.. dumb stuff imo and KS oversees it all from the sideline. If KS had an attitude of disciplining these guys when they get lit up on preventable slide or go out of bounds situations we probably have 20+ additional starts out of JG and TL.

2018 JG injury and 2022 TL injury = totally preventable folks
Nov 17, 2022 at 1:33 PM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Niners816:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by Furlow:
You know not EVERY play is RPO, right?

Of course.

Dolphins are running a lot of them though. Tua is CHOOSING to pass. Not McDaniel

To call a team running a lot of RPOs pass centric is completely disingenious.

Tua in college and when he played in the NFL prior to this yr was the tits at RPOs


I'm not sure what the % of RPOs are, I'm sure that can be found somewhere. He's just good at it.

Nice to see a HC adapt to his QB's strengths. Let us know when Kyle adds spread concepts for Jimmy. Hehe.

You mean like adding the Patriots Hoss-juke concept to the 2018 playbook


Oops lol

One play. LOL. Spread concepts would mean Jimmy would have numerous plays (even predominant) where he gets to pick his receiver.
[ Edited by NCommand on Nov 17, 2022 at 1:37 PM ]
Nov 17, 2022 at 1:34 PM
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:
"Steve Young believes Kyle Shanahan's conservative play-calling is due to 49ers QB Jimmy Garoppolo"

No really Steve? Jimmy is not a probowl or HOF QB like you Steve 🤣 he's greatly limited as a passer.

I mean, did Danny Gray even see the field vs the Chargers? 🤣

Though not elite, Garoppolo is not "greatly limited as a passer." This season he has proven he can through it deep and outside the numbers. Many have observed this and considered it is because he is fully healthy. He also has one of the fastest setups and releases of anyone in the league. This has been a major asset with an OL that is still learning to play together. That is all part of being an effective passer in this league.

As to Danny Gray, it isn't his fault that he has not learned to run all the assignments he needs to know in order to see more of the field. Shanahan has said that specifically. As it is now, if Gray were to come into the game, the defense would know immediately a deep pass is coming and cover it. It isn't Jimmy's fault Gray is a rookie still learning to play the game. Shanahan is well-known for preferring vets over rookies. I expect to see more of Gray as the season progresses. In the meantime, we wait.

Jimmy lacks the arm strength and accuracy for deep passes especially to the outside to a speedster like Danny Gray AKA DG was drafted for Trey as QB1, I'm sure DG would be seeing the field alot more instead of Jennings if Trey wasn't injured as Jennings will likely hit FA later as WR3.
[ Edited by ChillninDaBay on Nov 17, 2022 at 1:37 PM ]
Nov 17, 2022 at 1:35 PM
  • Furlow
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Originally posted by 49ersking:
I think Jimmy's best throw this season was the one to Kittle, endzone in the Rams game. Tight window, DB hanging right in front, edge of the end zone with very little wiggle room, usually "starting QBs" make those kind of throws.
Maybe flash in the pan or maybe not. Let's hope he continues to improve, because at some point, the 49ers might have to go through at least three of these: Chiefs, Bills, Vikings, Bucs and/or Dallas.
Having home field advantage helps, but it is what it is at this point.

Good tests coming up - Bucs and Dolphins

You must have missed the dozens of posts from the Jimmy denigrators who said it was a bad pass because he threw it too late lol.
Nov 17, 2022 at 1:37 PM
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Do you know what percentage of plays are RPO's for Miami? And of those RPO's, how many end up being passes versus runs? Same questions for the Niners?

Percentage no. Article points out they have passed 20 more times out of rpo plays than the 9ers. So had those all been runs they would have 2 more rushing attempts then the 9ers on the season with one extra game.

Basically the Dolphins would be averaging 3 rushes per game less than the 9ers if they rushed as many times in rpos as the 9ers.

Hardly a pass centric offense. Tua has made it more pass centric with HIS decisions.

That's a funny way of saying they're 27th in rushing attempts and that's with 10 full games. LOL
Nov 17, 2022 at 1:37 PM
Coach is responsible for the product on the field and QB injury is not just a JG issue anymore.. when it involves more than 1 QB it's a KS issue imo..

Let's coach up some slides, throw aways, etc . Week 1 Fields was sliding all over the place and drew some penalties even I believe.
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