Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by Furlow:
You must have missed the dozens of posts from the Jimmy denigrators who said it was a bad pass because he threw it too late lol.

Denigrators!!
Mount up.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Coach is responsible for the product on the field and QB injury is not just a JG issue anymore.. when it involves more than 1 QB it's a KS issue imo..

Let's coach up some slides, throw aways, etc . Week 1 Fields was sliding all over the place and drew some penalties even I believe.

I can't remember where I heard this but every QB has been injured here and there was something like 6 surgeries overall? We used to have really bad PP. LOL.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Furlow:
You must have missed the dozens of posts from the Jimmy denigrators who said it was a bad pass because he threw it too late lol.

Denigrators!!
Mount up.

I might be one of a few who will get this. LOL

Good one.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Exactly. Kyle does run an offense that gets the best out of his QB's strengths. What is being asked by NC is for Kyle to completely abandon his offensive philosophy in order to cater to the QB. No HC/OC would ever do that.

Abandon what? Calling pass plays that play to his current QBs strengths? Running the ball, so the current QB doesn't have to put the team on his back? He's got Jimmy playing out of the fun plenty and it's not like he's calling a bunch of 5/7 drops with long developing routes….it's easy reads and getting the ball out quick. He's not a gun slinger who's extending the plays. He built whole damn team around him

I meant the idea of going spread which would mean essentially abandoning the run game.

Kyle wants to win first and foremost. What Kyle can and cannot do is predicated on what his QB's strengths and weaknesses are and the level of trust. You can go back as far as the Kyle/Jimmy duo began in late 2017 and look at 2 key statistics in every game. It is almost a guaranteed win when Jimmy throws less than 30 passes and the run game gains over 100 yards. In games where Jimmy has thrown over 30 times and we have failed to gain 100+ yards, it is almost a guaranteed loss.

While Kyle will never abandon his run first philosophy as a whole, the run/pass split will vary depending on his QB and the trust level he has with that QB. We saw this with Trey as well. We were even more run heavy with Trey at QB. I believe it is because of his trust in Trey as a passer. The run game is a QB's best friend and Kyle's way of saving a QB from himself.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Do you know what percentage of plays are RPO's for Miami? And of those RPO's, how many end up being passes versus runs? Same questions for the Niners?

Percentage no. Article points out they have passed 20 more times out of rpo plays than the 9ers. So had those all been runs they would have 2 more rushing attempts then the 9ers on the season with one extra game.

Basically the Dolphins would be averaging 3 rushes per game less than the 9ers if they rushed as many times in rpos as the 9ers.

Hardly a pass centric offense. Tua has made it more pass centric with HIS decisions.

You clearly haven't watched them. You'll see how pass centric they are when we face them. Bookmark this.

They have been pass centric for 2 reasons. 1) Up until recently, they have been less than steller running the ball and 2) Tua has shown he can handle the heavy work load.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Coach is responsible for the product on the field and QB injury is not just a JG issue anymore.. when it involves more than 1 QB it's a KS issue imo..

Let's coach up some slides, throw aways, etc . Week 1 Fields was sliding all over the place and drew some penalties even I believe.

I can't remember where I heard this but every QB has been injured here and there was something like 6 surgeries overall? We used to have really bad PP. LOL.

JG can be really good when back foot hits and the ball is out. For the life of my I can't figure out why when the ball isn't out.. he isn't coached up to throw away. Would have saved much of his health in 2021 for the playoff run. As the Titans game compromised him from holding the ball and getting hit.

One of the dumbest plays I've seen my entire time as a fan is JG avoid the boundary vs KC and take on multiple guys like he's Earl Campbell it was beyond stupid. Dumb play from him and to me coach has some responsibility when you are paying record money.. you have to go over every eventuality and tell him look you are too important now that you are making $137million to be on the shelf cuz you got yourself involved with avoidable contact. It was 100% avoidable KC players even told us after the game.. TL also vs SEA 100% avoidable.. get down prior to contact get your yards and get down..

If we consider the development years thrown away it was JGs first year as starter and TLs first year as starter. Huge waste! Hard to imagine what could have been had both guys gotten their full first year.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
So NOW you are using Kyles comment about it not being WCO as your defense when for years you have been dismissing that very comment because it went against what you were pushing? Holy s**t NC

I was just gonna say this!!!! And Steve young is talking about the shanahan's who he know WAY MORE than NC. But I'm sure he will try to twist that too

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Do you know what percentage of plays are RPO's for Miami? And of those RPO's, how many end up being passes versus runs? Same questions for the Niners?

Percentage no. Article points out they have passed 20 more times out of rpo plays than the 9ers. So had those all been runs they would have 2 more rushing attempts then the 9ers on the season with one extra game.

Basically the Dolphins would be averaging 3 rushes per game less than the 9ers if they rushed as many times in rpos as the 9ers.

Hardly a pass centric offense. Tua has made it more pass centric with HIS decisions.

Dolphins average 23.5 rushes per game. The 49ers average 28. Dolphins have played 10 games. So 20 more times means 2 more times per game. You're telling me you're making THIS big of a fuss over TWO decisions that Jimmy makes per game on RPO plays to run rather than pass? You think Tua making TWO more decisions to pass than Jimmy shift the Dolphins from a running team to a passing team?

Miami passes the ball on 61% of their plays which is 11th in the league.

49ers pass the ball on 54% of their plays which is 23rd in the league.

If you add 2 more pass plays per game to the 49ers total, that would bring their percentage to 57.2% which would bump them to 20th in the league, still well in the lower half of teams.

https://www.footballdb.com/stats/play-selection.html?sort=passpct

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
So NOW you are using Kyles comment about it not being WCO as your defense when for years you have been dismissing that very comment because it went against what you were pushing? Holy s**t NC

I was just gonna say this!!!! And Steve young is talking about the shanahan's who he know WAY MORE than NC. But I'm sure he will try to twist that too

Mike or Kyle? LOL

Steve Young would go stir crazy if Kyle kept his run/pass ratio the same here.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
NY, it's difficult to discuss with you when you lob accusations of trolling..

It's it really too much to ask that when we pay record money we have that guy on the field?

We lost JG in 2018 to a 100% preventable injury.

I sincerely question if KS coached up any self preservation in JG or TL. I mean I see JG hold the ball and eat dumb sacks all the time, refusing to throw away, again self preservation.. which does not happen here.. go back to the 2021 Titans injury he holds like 10 secs gets hit.. dumb stuff imo and KS oversees it all from the sideline. If KS had an attitude of disciplining these guys when they get lit up on preventable slide or go out of bounds situations we probably have 20+ additional starts out of JG and TL.

2018 JG injury and 2022 TL injury = totally preventable folks

Dude you literally said it was Kyle's fault Jimmy didn't run out of bounds. Do you get how silly that is? So yes I question something as ridiculous as that with trolling

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Do you know what percentage of plays are RPO's for Miami? And of those RPO's, how many end up being passes versus runs? Same questions for the Niners?

Percentage no. Article points out they have passed 20 more times out of rpo plays than the 9ers. So had those all been runs they would have 2 more rushing attempts then the 9ers on the season with one extra game.

Basically the Dolphins would be averaging 3 rushes per game less than the 9ers if they rushed as many times in rpos as the 9ers.

Hardly a pass centric offense. Tua has made it more pass centric with HIS decisions.

You clearly haven't watched them. You'll see how pass centric they are when we face them. Bookmark this.

They are pass centric for 2 reasons. 1) They have been less than steller running the ball and 2) Tua has shown he can handle the heavy work load.

Sure. But still pass centric which was all I said.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
NY, it's difficult to discuss with you when you lob accusations of trolling..

It's it really too much to ask that when we pay record money we have that guy on the field?

We lost JG in 2018 to a 100% preventable injury.

I sincerely question if KS coached up any self preservation in JG or TL. I mean I see JG hold the ball and eat dumb sacks all the time, refusing to throw away, again self preservation.. which does not happen here.. go back to the 2021 Titans injury he holds like 10 secs gets hit.. dumb stuff imo and KS oversees it all from the sideline. If KS had an attitude of disciplining these guys when they get lit up on preventable slide or go out of bounds situations we probably have 20+ additional starts out of JG and TL.

2018 JG injury and 2022 TL injury = totally preventable folks

Dude you literally said it was Kyle's fault Jimmy didn't run out of bounds. Do you get how silly that is? So yes I question something as ridiculous as that with trolling

That's not at all what he said. That's you "interpreting" his lengthy explanation in a manner that tries to make him look foolish. There's a conversation to be had there if you're willing.

Yes, players are responsible for all of their decisions on the field. You know, free will and all that. But come on. To think that the coach doesn't have any influence over those decisions is a bit obtuse.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Do you know what percentage of plays are RPO's for Miami? And of those RPO's, how many end up being passes versus runs? Same questions for the Niners?

Percentage no. Article points out they have passed 20 more times out of rpo plays than the 9ers. So had those all been runs they would have 2 more rushing attempts then the 9ers on the season with one extra game.

Basically the Dolphins would be averaging 3 rushes per game less than the 9ers if they rushed as many times in rpos as the 9ers.

Hardly a pass centric offense. Tua has made it more pass centric with HIS decisions.

You clearly haven't watched them. You'll see how pass centric they are when we face them. Bookmark this.

They are pass centric for 2 reasons. 1) They have been less than steller running the ball and 2) Tua has shown he can handle the heavy work load.

Sure. But still pass centric which was all I said.

Throwing the term pass centric out there without any context doesn't really make a point. Dolphins in the last game ran the ball 33 times. Guess who got the bulk of the carries?

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Exactly. Kyle does run an offense that gets the best out of his QB's strengths. What is being asked by NC is for Kyle to completely abandon his offensive philosophy in order to cater to the QB. No HC/OC would ever do that.

Abandon what? Calling pass plays that play to his current QBs strengths? Running the ball, so the current QB doesn't have to put the team on his back? He's got Jimmy playing out of the fun plenty and it's not like he's calling a bunch of 5/7 drops with long developing routes….it's easy reads and getting the ball out quick. He's not a gun slinger who's extending the plays. He built whole damn team around him

I meant the idea of going spread which would mean essentially abandoning the run game.

Kyle wants to win first and foremost. What Kyle can and cannot do is predicated on what his QB's strengths and weaknesses are and the level of trust. You can go back as far as the Kyle/Jimmy duo began in late 2017 and look at 2 key statistics in every game. It is almost a guaranteed win when Jimmy throws less than 30 passes and the run game gains over 100 yards. In games where Jimmy has thrown over 30 times and we have failed to gain 100+ yards, it is almost a guaranteed loss.

While Kyle will never abandon his run first philosophy as a whole, the run/pass split will vary depending on his QB and the trust level he has with that QB. We saw this with Trey as well. We were even more run heavy with Trey at QB. I believe it is because of his trust in Trey as a passer. The run game is a QB's best friend and Kyle's way of saving a QB from himself.

I know we were both cool with the run/pass splits because we recognized his philosophy and we were starting a new QB. I still have all our original predictions.

If it's working, why not!?! If not, we now have the passing game and pro bowl skill positions to change on a fly. Maybe even come out of the gate that way (that's worked too).

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
So NOW you are using Kyles comment about it not being WCO as your defense when for years you have been dismissing that very comment because it went against what you were pushing? Holy s**t NC

I was just gonna say this!!!! And Steve young is talking about the shanahan's who he know WAY MORE than NC. But I'm sure he will try to twist that too

Maybe that's why he's defending him