Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
NY, it's difficult to discuss with you when you lob accusations of trolling..

It's it really too much to ask that when we pay record money we have that guy on the field?

We lost JG in 2018 to a 100% preventable injury.

I sincerely question if KS coached up any self preservation in JG or TL. I mean I see JG hold the ball and eat dumb sacks all the time, refusing to throw away, again self preservation.. which does not happen here.. go back to the 2021 Titans injury he holds like 10 secs gets hit.. dumb stuff imo and KS oversees it all from the sideline. If KS had an attitude of disciplining these guys when they get lit up on preventable slide or go out of bounds situations we probably have 20+ additional starts out of JG and TL.

2018 JG injury and 2022 TL injury = totally preventable folks

Dude you literally said it was Kyle's fault Jimmy didn't run out of bounds. Do you get how silly that is? So yes I question something as ridiculous as that with trolling

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Do you know what percentage of plays are RPO's for Miami? And of those RPO's, how many end up being passes versus runs? Same questions for the Niners?

Percentage no. Article points out they have passed 20 more times out of rpo plays than the 9ers. So had those all been runs they would have 2 more rushing attempts then the 9ers on the season with one extra game.

Basically the Dolphins would be averaging 3 rushes per game less than the 9ers if they rushed as many times in rpos as the 9ers.

Hardly a pass centric offense. Tua has made it more pass centric with HIS decisions.

You clearly haven't watched them. You'll see how pass centric they are when we face them. Bookmark this.

They are pass centric for 2 reasons. 1) They have been less than steller running the ball and 2) Tua has shown he can handle the heavy work load.

Sure. But still pass centric which was all I said.

Throwing the term pass centric out there without any context doesn't really make a point. Dolphins in the last game ran the ball 33 times. Guess who got the bulk of the carries?

Originally posted by Furlow:
That's not at all what he said. That's you "interpreting" his lengthy explanation in a manner that tries to make him look foolish. There's a conversation to be had there if you're willing.

Yes, players are responsible for all of their decisions on the field. You know, free will and all that. But come on. To think that the coach doesn't have any influence over those decisions is a bit obtuse.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Exactly. Kyle does run an offense that gets the best out of his QB's strengths. What is being asked by NC is for Kyle to completely abandon his offensive philosophy in order to cater to the QB. No HC/OC would ever do that.

Abandon what? Calling pass plays that play to his current QBs strengths? Running the ball, so the current QB doesn't have to put the team on his back? He's got Jimmy playing out of the fun plenty and it's not like he's calling a bunch of 5/7 drops with long developing routes….it's easy reads and getting the ball out quick. He's not a gun slinger who's extending the plays. He built whole damn team around him

I meant the idea of going spread which would mean essentially abandoning the run game.

Kyle wants to win first and foremost. What Kyle can and cannot do is predicated on what his QB's strengths and weaknesses are and the level of trust. You can go back as far as the Kyle/Jimmy duo began in late 2017 and look at 2 key statistics in every game. It is almost a guaranteed win when Jimmy throws less than 30 passes and the run game gains over 100 yards. In games where Jimmy has thrown over 30 times and we have failed to gain 100+ yards, it is almost a guaranteed loss.

While Kyle will never abandon his run first philosophy as a whole, the run/pass split will vary depending on his QB and the trust level he has with that QB. We saw this with Trey as well. We were even more run heavy with Trey at QB. I believe it is because of his trust in Trey as a passer. The run game is a QB's best friend and Kyle's way of saving a QB from himself.

I know we were both cool with the run/pass splits because we recognized his philosophy and we were starting a new QB. I still have all our original predictions.

If it's working, why not!?! If not, we now have the passing game and pro bowl skill positions to change on a fly. Maybe even come out of the gate that way (that's worked too).

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Furlow:
You know not EVERY play is RPO, right?

Of course.

Dolphins are running a lot of them though. Tua is CHOOSING to pass. Not McDaniel

To call a team running a lot of RPOs pass centric is completely disingenious.

Tua in college and when he played in the NFL prior to this yr was the tits at RPOs

Don't think I've seen this from anyone else this season…

The @MiamiDolphins are committed to the GUN because they're committed to the R-P-O
As they should be Tua is the best at them. I like this to help their PAP game..#NFLLIVE pic.twitter.com/rQqZ5bNiRn

— Dan Orlovsky (@danorlovsky7) November 11, 2022

I'm not sure what the % of RPOs are, I'm sure that can be found somewhere. He's just good at it.

Nice to see a HC adapt to his QB's strengths. Let us know when Kyle adds spread concepts for Jimmy. Hehe.

You mean like adding the Patriots Hoss-juke concept to the 2018 playbook

pic.twitter.com/BL3QwAqli2

— Jeremy (@cubs2b23) November 17, 2022

Oops lol

One play. LOL. Spread concepts would mean Jimmy would have numerous plays (even predominant) where he gets to pick his receiver.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Furlow:
That's not at all what he said. That's you "interpreting" his lengthy explanation in a manner that tries to make him look foolish. There's a conversation to be had there if you're willing.

Yes, players are responsible for all of their decisions on the field. You know, free will and all that. But come on. To think that the coach doesn't have any influence over those decisions is a bit obtuse.

b******t. He was implying Kyle being part of that, which is in fact stupid. I don't need to say a damn thing to make him sound foolish.

to think a coach has influence on if a guy goes out of bounds on a certain play is ridiculous. Jimmy isn't trying to trick people over and he's run out of bounds/slid plenty. Give me a break, both you quit trying so hard…that makes both of you look foolish.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Do you know what percentage of plays are RPO's for Miami? And of those RPO's, how many end up being passes versus runs? Same questions for the Niners?

Percentage no. Article points out they have passed 20 more times out of rpo plays than the 9ers. So had those all been runs they would have 2 more rushing attempts then the 9ers on the season with one extra game.

Basically the Dolphins would be averaging 3 rushes per game less than the 9ers if they rushed as many times in rpos as the 9ers.

Hardly a pass centric offense. Tua has made it more pass centric with HIS decisions.

You clearly haven't watched them. You'll see how pass centric they are when we face them. Bookmark this.

They are pass centric for 2 reasons. 1) They have been less than steller running the ball and 2) Tua has shown he can handle the heavy work load.

Sure. But still pass centric which was all I said.

Throwing the term pass centric out there without any context doesn't really make a point. Dolphins in the last game ran the ball 33 times. Guess who got the bulk of the carries?

That is who they've been though. I live here and have seen all their games. That said, Tua has had his brains scrambled so it wouldn't surprise me if MM would like to dial it down some with Wilson+Mostert. We'll see where they end up in the end. But they were full Madden coming out of the gates.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Exactly. Kyle does run an offense that gets the best out of his QB's strengths. What is being asked by NC is for Kyle to completely abandon his offensive philosophy in order to cater to the QB. No HC/OC would ever do that.

Abandon what? Calling pass plays that play to his current QBs strengths? Running the ball, so the current QB doesn't have to put the team on his back? He's got Jimmy playing out of the fun plenty and it's not like he's calling a bunch of 5/7 drops with long developing routes….it's easy reads and getting the ball out quick. He's not a gun slinger who's extending the plays. He built whole damn team around him

I meant the idea of going spread which would mean essentially abandoning the run game.

Kyle wants to win first and foremost. What Kyle can and cannot do is predicated on what his QB's strengths and weaknesses are and the level of trust. You can go back as far as the Kyle/Jimmy duo began in late 2017 and look at 2 key statistics in every game. It is almost a guaranteed win when Jimmy throws less than 30 passes and the run game gains over 100 yards. In games where Jimmy has thrown over 30 times and we have failed to gain 100+ yards, it is almost a guaranteed loss.

While Kyle will never abandon his run first philosophy as a whole, the run/pass split will vary depending on his QB and the trust level he has with that QB. We saw this with Trey as well. We were even more run heavy with Trey at QB. I believe it is because of his trust in Trey as a passer. The run game is a QB's best friend and Kyle's way of saving a QB from himself.

I know we were both cool with the run/pass splits because we recognized his philosophy and we were starting a new QB. I still have all our original predictions.

If it's working, why not!?! If not, we now have the passing game and pro bowl skill positions to change on a fly. Maybe even come out of the gate that way (that's worked too).

Yes. I will admit I was wrong about the run/pass splits for Trey playing QB this season. I under estimated how little Kyle trusted Trey in the passing game. I also believe that the way Jimmy has been performing this season that he should have earned a little more trust from Kyle. Hopefully we do open up the passing game a little more moving forward. I just didn't think it was the best game to do it vs the chargers for reasons I have previously mentioned.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Do you know what percentage of plays are RPO's for Miami? And of those RPO's, how many end up being passes versus runs? Same questions for the Niners?

Percentage no. Article points out they have passed 20 more times out of rpo plays than the 9ers. So had those all been runs they would have 2 more rushing attempts then the 9ers on the season with one extra game.

Basically the Dolphins would be averaging 3 rushes per game less than the 9ers if they rushed as many times in rpos as the 9ers.

Hardly a pass centric offense. Tua has made it more pass centric with HIS decisions.

You clearly haven't watched them. You'll see how pass centric they are when we face them. Bookmark this.

They are pass centric for 2 reasons. 1) They have been less than steller running the ball and 2) Tua has shown he can handle the heavy work load.

Sure. But still pass centric which was all I said.

Throwing the term pass centric out there without any context doesn't really make a point. Dolphins in the last game ran the ball 33 times. Guess who got the bulk of the carries?

That is who they've been though. I live here and have seen all their games. That said, Tua has had his brains scrambled so it wouldn't surprise me if MM would like to dial it down some with Wilson+Mostert. We'll see where they end up in the end. But they were full Madden coming out of the gates.

True with the concussions and playing it more safe. But their inability to get the run game going is the reason they were so pass heavy. MM obviously recognized the weakness in his offense and went out and got a RB who has been having a career year so far rushing the ball. Two games in and Wilson is already taking on that heavy work load. I see that offense being more balanced for the rest of the season. Maybe even leaning more on the run when December and January come along.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Yes. I will admit I was wrong about the run/pass splits for Trey playing QB this season. I under estimated how little Kyle trusted Trey in the passing game. I also believe that the way Jimmy has been performing this season that he should have earned a little more trust from Kyle. Hopefully we do open up the passing game a little more moving forward. I just didn't think it was the best game to do it vs the chargers for reasons I have previously mentioned.

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's a funny way of saying they're 27th in rushing attempts and that's with 10 full games. LOL

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Furlow:
You know not EVERY play is RPO, right?

Of course.

Dolphins are running a lot of them though. Tua is CHOOSING to pass. Not McDaniel

To call a team running a lot of RPOs pass centric is completely disingenious.

Tua in college and when he played in the NFL prior to this yr was the tits at RPOs

Don't think I've seen this from anyone else this season…

The @MiamiDolphins are committed to the GUN because they're committed to the R-P-O
As they should be Tua is the best at them. I like this to help their PAP game..#NFLLIVE pic.twitter.com/rQqZ5bNiRn

— Dan Orlovsky (@danorlovsky7) November 11, 2022

I'm not sure what the % of RPOs are, I'm sure that can be found somewhere. He's just good at it.

Nice to see a HC adapt to his QB's strengths. Let us know when Kyle adds spread concepts for Jimmy. Hehe.

You mean like adding the Patriots Hoss-juke concept to the 2018 playbook

pic.twitter.com/BL3QwAqli2

— Jeremy (@cubs2b23) November 17, 2022

Oops lol

One play. LOL. Spread concepts would mean Jimmy would have numerous plays (even predominant) where he gets to pick his receiver.

There are multiple pages of plays in this offense that have multiple concepts with multiple options as primary. There are also multiple hots a damn near all of his 5-7 steps drop plays.

Originally posted by Furlow:
Dolphins average 23.5 rushes per game. The 49ers average 28. Dolphins have played 10 games. So 20 more times means 2 more times per game. You're telling me you're making THIS big of a fuss over TWO decisions that Jimmy makes per game on RPO plays to run rather than pass? You think Tua making TWO more decisions to pass than Jimmy shift the Dolphins from a running team to a passing team?

Miami passes the ball on 61% of their plays which is 11th in the league.

49ers pass the ball on 54% of their plays which is 23rd in the league.

If you add 2 more pass plays per game to the 49ers total, that would bring their percentage to 57.2% which would bump them to 20th in the league, still well in the lower half of teams.

https://www.footballdb.com/stats/play-selection.html?sort=passpct

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Jimmy isn't trying to truck people over

Originally posted by NCommand:
That is who they've been though. I live here and have seen all their games. That said, Tua has had his brains scrambled so it wouldn't surprise me if MM would like to dial it down some with Wilson+Mostert. We'll see where they end up in the end. But they were full Madden coming out of the gates.