Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Another huge advantage QBR has over older/simpler formulas post-update....

now, QBR accounts for opposing defenses: Quarterbacks who face tougher defenses will have their ratings adjusted upward in proportion to the difficulty of their opposition, and those who face weaker defenses will have their ratings adjusted downward. This is one more step toward gaining a true measure of overall quarterback performance -- and a big step.

Here's how the opponent adjustment works. Early in the season, we don't have enough information on how good each defense truly is. It usually takes several weeks of data to have a reasonable estimate of how tough each defense is. So the adjustment starts with an estimate for each defense, which is based on a model of how defensive performance varies from one season to the next. Then, as each week is played, we update that estimate with performance information from each game. The result is an accurate and relatively stable estimate of how tough each defense is for a quarterback to face. Several weeks into the season, the effect of the early estimate becomes very small, and by the end of the season it is virtually nonexistent.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/17653521/how-total-qbr-calculated-explain-our-improved-qb-rating

No reason to fret over this stuff. It'll even out as time goes on. Jimmy will get his due if the numbers say he deserves them (per this stat).

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
So since we are singling out every game, half, drive, etc. If I am keeping score correctly. He has had 3 poor games, 1 poor half and 2 poor drives. Should we go rep for rep now? How about we just look at the full body of work this season to make our evaluations instead?

We're not talking a couple drives,...you're forcing drives into the conversation, parroting me forcing a complete half of football into the conversation of not-so-good games, to make a point, I guess?

If you can't see why I'm saying it's not the same "chime in"-wise then hey go with it,....but don't pretend later like you really do give a hoot about analytical numbers that try to capture and separate these things for analytical purposes. And even in practical terms,...heck,...alot of coaches preach to their teams to see both halves as completely separate games. You go into/come out of the locker room with the mentality of "winning both halves." Not important though? Okay.

You're effectively putting yourself into the "only the end result matters" camp....which is fine. But just be consistent and make sure you stay there.

Again,...kinda lost on where you're going with this and why.

So again. You can single out a half but if I want to single out a drive or a rep to determine whether a player is having a solid season or not, it is not valid?

How about this for analytics. Jimmy is having just as good or slightly better season than Josh Allen when looking through their performances through an efficiency lens. All the passing stats that don't deal with total passing yards/ pass attempts shows that he is playing at a top 5-10 level at his position. If it weren't for those 3 games, 1 half, 2 drives and 3 reps, he might be the #1 QB in the league in efficiency.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
So again. You can single out a half but if I want to single out a drive or a rep to determine ....

Singling out a half and singling out a drive are 2 very, very different extremes. The initial statements referred to whole games. I can see comparing "1 half" to a game,....I mean that's legit and I'll listen (as I did). I can't ever see comparing 1 drive to game, though. Do you even realize that that's what you were doing, though? Again,...extreme.

And you "CAN" do whatever you like,...it's a messageboard,....I'd just add that you put it in context,...which is exactly what I did in the OP you're choosing to complain about.

So I just want to get it straight, if you ever at any point say something negative about a player or coach…that means you hate them and will get called out about it no matter what. Good to know

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
So again. You can single out a half but if I want to single out a drive or a rep to determine ....

Singling out a half and singling out a drive are 2 very, very different extremes. The initial statements referred to whole games. I can see comparing "1 half" to a game,....I mean that's legit and I'll listen (as I did). I can't ever see comparing 1 drive to game, though. Do you even realize that that's what you were doing, though? Again,...extreme.

And you "CAN" do whatever you like,...it's a messageboard,....I'd just add that you put it in context,...which is exactly what I did in the OP you're choosing to complain about.

I see how you left my 2nd paragraph out of your post. If you want to nitpick a single half (2.9%) of a 34 half season in order to make your evaluation, that is your prerogative.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
So I just want to get it straight, if you ever at any point say something negative about a player or coach…that means you hate them and will get called out about it no matter what. Good to know

You have been a bit harsh on Garoppolo in the past. Some folks can't let it go. Don't let it bother you man.It doesn't mean anything.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
saleh would probably give jimmy the bag for '23

If Jimmy plays like this the rest of the year there's gonna be a bidding war.

Jimmy has plenty of money. If things work out in the best possible way (Super Bowl win), he'll take less money to stay here. Book it.

Spotrac has estimated Garoppolo's market value at $34M/yr with the new cap. That would set him at the #12-14 slot among QBs. If that happened, it would pay him roughly the same value as compared to the cap as his prior contract. As you say, "Book it."

Yeah I don't know why people think Jimmy would take $10M a year to be the backup to Trey after playing the way he's been playing this season lol.

He wouldn't. He wouldn't take only 34m/year either. His haters want to see him hurt financially by resigning to a team friendly deal, but there is no reason he shouldn't get paid at least as much as someone like Kyler Murray, who he has outplayed.

There is absolutely NO WAY you're serious about that. His "haters" want to see guys like Nick Bosa and Brandon Aiyuk retire with a gold helmet on their heads. We have so many great players that are going to need to get paid. I hate to bring Cohn into this, but he's made a very good point: there comes a point when a team's salary contribution to their QB hurts the team to the point that it's extremely unlikely to win the Super Bowl (as in ZERO QBs making over this threshold have ever won a Super Bowl). Jimmy has already shown a willingness to be like Brady and give the team a discount in order to win. I think he'd do it again. But if he didn't, we have no business over-paying him when we have so many great players that need to be extended.

Has he? He was the highest paid QB in the league when we signed him to his original deal. The only reason he restructured his last year was because the shoulder injury limited his options. He still made sure that his new deal included a no-trade clause and a no-franchise tag clause. I'm not sure how inserting a no franchise tag clause is team-friendly. If he continues to play well and we win the Super Bowl, I just don't see any evidence that he'd be willing to (or should) re-sign for far less than what other teams might be willing to offer him. He should demand what he's worth and it'd be disrespectful to try to lowball him, especially if, in this scenario, he is a major reason why we've just won the Super Bowl.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Furlow:
NY definitely needs to fill one out lol.

Oh piss off. I've said Jimmy plays well when he actually plays well. I don't have to defend him no matter what, like some of ya'll.

"Bag of chips. Cut him."

Yeah and I also said "played well" "props" "is doing his part" you don't get to cherry pick s**t to prove something…man ya'll are a bunch of babies.

edit: I saw you say something negative at one point about Kyle and Deebo…so that apparently that means you hate them. Good to know.

So one comment versus thousands of yours in here negative about Jimmy is the same thing? Lol okay, dude.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
So I just want to get it straight, if you ever at any point say something negative about a player or coach…that means you hate them and will get called out about it no matter what. Good to know

Criticism of a player that played poorly is invalidated if they start playing better in the future apparently.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
So I just want to get it straight, if you ever at any point say something negative about a player or coach…that means you hate them and will get called out about it no matter what. Good to know

You have been a bit harsh on Garoppolo in the past. Some folks can't let it go. Don't let it bother you man.It doesn't mean anything.

For the most part I criticizing for appropriate things and really that didn't start until after the 2020 season.

I never hated the dude, I don't actively root for him to stink. I think we all wanted better QB play and as a fan that's not a wild concept.

it's really just a couple annoying posters who bring next to nothing to WZ

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
So again. You can single out a half but if I want to single out a drive or a rep to determine ....

Singling out a half and singling out a drive are 2 very, very different extremes. The initial statements referred to whole games. I can see comparing "1 half" to a game,....I mean that's legit and I'll listen (as I did). I can't ever see comparing 1 drive to game, though. Do you even realize that that's what you were doing, though? Again,...extreme.

And you "CAN" do whatever you like,...it's a messageboard,....I'd just add that you put it in context,...which is exactly what I did in the OP you're choosing to complain about.

I see how you left my 2nd paragraph out of your post. If you want to nitpick a single half (2.9%) of a 34 half season in order to make your evaluation, that is your prerogative.

I didn't nitpick a half. Posters (including you) referred to games that wasnt so good.

I chimed in with a 1st half that wasn't so good as well (IMO). Perfectly reasonable reply.

Chiming in about a drive instead tho just doesn't hold weight. I mean this is really a dead end.

Originally posted by Furlow:
So one comment versus thousands of yours in here negative about Jimmy is the same thing? Lol okay, dude.

Did you see the QBR leaderboards since 2016 I posted?

Originally posted by NYniner85:
So I just want to get it straight, if you ever at any point say something negative about a player or coach…that means you hate them and will get called out about it no matter what. Good to know

Yes thousands of posts (and being the #1 poster in the thread) negatively talking about Jimmy is the same as "ever at any point saying something negative about a player or coach." This how women argue, do better.

Lol back to gatekeeping the Jimmy G thread lol.

We really need a Jimmy G safe space thread, idk why mods don't allow it.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:
So one comment versus thousands of yours in here negative about Jimmy is the same thing? Lol okay, dude.

Did you see the QBR leaderboards since 2016 I posted?

They change the formula when they want to, and have definitely changes it since 2016. Just look at the year to year leaders and you'll see many changes to the stats. They also don't give the actual formula so no one knows how they come up with it. But since it suits your argument, and since you value Sportscenter Top Ten plays and fantasy football over winning football games - by all means, continue to reference it.

Still waiting for that link to "all of the players who laughed at QB rating."