Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Steve young was the top QB or QBs in the league. He also won two MVPs, SBMVP and a SB

And he choked in many big games.
Sucks but it is the truth.
Loved him but he pissed me off in big games.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
A) the speculation about griese can"t be verified. Who knows why jimmy gone on a nice 3 game run. Could be many factors. Kyle changing up the game plans, hiscarm feeling better, greise coaching him up, better options at 4 and 5breceiver, mccaffrey magic, worse opponents who knows.

All its gonna take is one bad decision to bring the boobirds back. Im just enjoying it. Jimmy can play good. Im glad hes doing it.

"I've come to the conclusion [that] I don't want Jimmy around for a couple of more months," Young said Wednesday on KNBR. "I want Jimmy around for 10 years. I think that's why, when we talk about Jimmy, and what's happened, and the fundamental relationship with he and Kyle, that's why I keep talking about it, because something has to improve. ... I think the trip showed me a couple of things. One, I think Brian Griese is making a real impact. There's a sense of accomplishment that I think Brian is bringing out."

Steve Young does not completely verify it but his observation is well worth considering, especially in light of the fact he has been quite critical of the very things he is now praising Garoppolo for.

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Say bye to Bosa if you want to sign Jimmy to $30M per. Say bye to Jimmie Ward. Say bye to upgrading RT. Say bye to getting another CB. Say bye to upgrading anything. Say bye to Lance because you're all but telling him and the league he was a bust after 4 QRs of football….yeah I don't see this FO, ownership and coaching staff going in that direction.

if they win the SB, it then gives Kyle more breathing room to develop Lance and gives the team money to keep everything around the QB going long-term.

I disagree that resigning JG would mean we lose multiple other players.

Consider this: Let's use Stafford and Derek Carr as examples of mid-to-upper-level QB contracts. Both are getting paid $40M/yr. I would assert JG is better than either of those two, although that is not my main point. What I am suggesting is that we look at Garoppolo as being willing to stay here (he won't find a better spot) at $25-30M/yr. That plus Lance's $9.8M cap number for 2023 brings us to a QB tab of $40M/yr. Considering that we have no idea what we will get from Lance next season but we know what we have now with Garoppolo, is it unreasonable to pay the market rate for what we are now getting from Jimmy?

With the 2025 cap number projected to go from the current $208,000,000 to $256,000,000, there are multiple scenarios in which Marathe can maneuver those contract extensions, along with some options in a new contract for JG, to keep the guys you mention. Backload those contracts with that additional $46M in cap money and we keep winning.

Jimmy is still a big question mark , this is year 6 and a contract year.

you could've posted this without directly quoting dj

It has everything to do with his post. We will lose depth with not many high draft picks due to the Lance and cmc trades

do we risk it to sign a player in a contract year. Who is playing way above his normal play. Similar to the vide (not play) in 2017

We already lost those draft picks; resigning Garoppolo doesn't change that.

DJ's post suggested that we might be able to sign Garoppolo and keep Lance at roughly the market rate for a comparable quarterback. With the expected salary cap increase, we might be able to do so without losing any key players.

Do you see why your responses are off target?

i'm looking at the bigger picture here.. not just for next year and the draft picks that are gone does matter when we have to sign/replace players that retire/not-signed/sign elsewhere.

We have 24 FAs next year with about 14 of them being starters or 2nd string guys making great contributions. we won't be able to keep those guys at the same rate
Still need to sign bosa to a max (which his we won't be a direct impact in 2023, but his Gtd money will)
Still need to pay CMC
We still need add better needs/players and not just keep the same team

And the biggest factor of my post, This jimmy resigning idea is based as if this jimmy will be the standard for the future. But it's not, it's an anomaly (a good one). Odds are out of the 8 years of jimmy, he won't be able to do this again.

On top of that anomaly is that the season still have a long long way to go.

Do we sign jimmy and go back to a QB manager and possibly waste more years ?

tough call

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Steve young was the top QB or QBs in the league. He also won two MVPs, SBMVP and a SB

And he choked in many big games.
Sucks but it is the truth.
Loved him but he pissed me off in big games.

Great players lose, it's inevitable

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Steve young was the top QB or QBs in the league. He also won two MVPs, SBMVP and a SB

And he choked in many big games.
Sucks but it is the truth.
Loved him but he pissed me off in big games.

Again Deion Sanders is the reason Young isn't nationally viewed as the NFL greatest choker to this day. The 49ers could not get past the Cowboys without Prime and that's why I will always be a fan of Sanders. The 5th SB trophy is all due to him being the greatest to ever play the CB position. We needed him because we could never check Harper or Irving in the big moments of the games. That also would mean Young would have to come through with pressure and we have seen how that worked out against the Packers and Cowboys

Steve Young's monkey on his back would be a silverback gorilla today and I'm talking about Trent Williams.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Say bye to Bosa if you want to sign Jimmy to $30M per. Say bye to Jimmie Ward. Say bye to upgrading RT. Say bye to getting another CB. Say bye to upgrading anything. Say bye to Lance because you're all but telling him and the league he was a bust after 4 QRs of football….yeah I don't see this FO, ownership and coaching staff going in that direction.

if they win the SB, it then gives Kyle more breathing room to develop Lance and gives the team money to keep everything around the QB going long-term.

I disagree that resigning JG would mean we lose multiple other players.

Consider this: Let's use Stafford and Derek Carr as examples of mid-to-upper-level QB contracts. Both are getting paid $40M/yr. I would assert JG is better than either of those two, although that is not my main point. What I am suggesting is that we look at Garoppolo as being willing to stay here (he won't find a better spot) at $25-30M/yr. That plus Lance's $9.8M cap number for 2023 brings us to a QB tab of $40M/yr. Considering that we have no idea what we will get from Lance next season but we know what we have now with Garoppolo, is it unreasonable to pay the market rate for what we are now getting from Jimmy?

With the 2025 cap number projected to go from the current $208,000,000 to $256,000,000, there are multiple scenarios in which Marathe can maneuver those contract extensions, along with some options in a new contract for JG, to keep the guys you mention. Backload those contracts with that additional $46M in cap money and we keep winning.

Jimmy is still a big question mark , this is year 6 and a contract year.

you could've posted this without directly quoting dj

It has everything to do with his post. We will lose depth with not many high draft picks due to the Lance and cmc trades

do we risk it to sign a player in a contract year. Who is playing way above his normal play. Similar to the vide (not play) in 2017

We already lost those draft picks; resigning Garoppolo doesn't change that.

DJ's post suggested that we might be able to sign Garoppolo and keep Lance at roughly the market rate for a comparable quarterback. With the expected salary cap increase, we might be able to do so without losing any key players.

Do you see why your responses are off target?

i'm looking at the bigger picture here.. not just for next year and the draft picks that are gone does matter when we have to sign/replace players that retire/not-signed/sign elsewhere.

We have 24 FAs next year with about 14 of them being starters or 2nd string guys making great contributions. we won't be able to keep those guys at the same rate
Still need to sign bosa to a max (which his we won't be a direct impact in 2023, but his Gtd money will)
Still need to pay CMC
We still need add better needs/players and not just keep the same team

And the biggest factor of my post, This jimmy resigning idea is based as if this jimmy will be the standard for the future. But it's not, it's an anomaly (a good one). Odds are out of the 8 years of jimmy, he won't be able to do this again.

On top of that anomaly is that the season still have a long long way to go.

Do we sign jimmy and go back to a QB manager and possibly waste more years ?

tough call

"Year six" now it's "eight years." Lol come on, man. You're trying too hard. You're trying to make it sound like the Alex Smith years or something. We've had a ton of success with Jimmy during these "6-8 years" that you keep emphasizing. To pretend we've "endured" 6-8 years of Jimmy is ridiculous.

Originally posted by Ark49er:

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Steve young was the top QB or QBs in the league. He also won two MVPs, SBMVP and a SB

And he choked in many big games.
Sucks but it is the truth.
Loved him but he pissed me off in big games.

Again Deion Sanders is the reason Young isn't nationally viewed as the NFL greatest choker to this day. The 49ers could not get past the Cowboys without Prime and that's why I will always be a fan of Sanders. The 5th SB trophy is all due to him being the greatest to ever play the CB position. We needed him because we could never check Harper or Irving in the big moments of the games. That also would mean Young would have to come through with pressure and we have seen how that worked out against the Packers and Cowboys

Steve Young's monkey on his back would be a silverback gorilla today and I'm talking about Trent Williams.

lets not diminish the teams Young had to play against

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Say bye to Bosa if you want to sign Jimmy to $30M per. Say bye to Jimmie Ward. Say bye to upgrading RT. Say bye to getting another CB. Say bye to upgrading anything. Say bye to Lance because you're all but telling him and the league he was a bust after 4 QRs of football….yeah I don't see this FO, ownership and coaching staff going in that direction.

if they win the SB, it then gives Kyle more breathing room to develop Lance and gives the team money to keep everything around the QB going long-term.

I disagree that resigning JG would mean we lose multiple other players.

Consider this: Let's use Stafford and Derek Carr as examples of mid-to-upper-level QB contracts. Both are getting paid $40M/yr. I would assert JG is better than either of those two, although that is not my main point. What I am suggesting is that we look at Garoppolo as being willing to stay here (he won't find a better spot) at $25-30M/yr. That plus Lance's $9.8M cap number for 2023 brings us to a QB tab of $40M/yr. Considering that we have no idea what we will get from Lance next season but we know what we have now with Garoppolo, is it unreasonable to pay the market rate for what we are now getting from Jimmy?

With the 2025 cap number projected to go from the current $208,000,000 to $256,000,000, there are multiple scenarios in which Marathe can maneuver those contract extensions, along with some options in a new contract for JG, to keep the guys you mention. Backload those contracts with that additional $46M in cap money and we keep winning.

Jimmy is still a big question mark , this is year 6 and a contract year.

you could've posted this without directly quoting dj

It has everything to do with his post. We will lose depth with not many high draft picks due to the Lance and cmc trades

do we risk it to sign a player in a contract year. Who is playing way above his normal play. Similar to the vide (not play) in 2017

We already lost those draft picks; resigning Garoppolo doesn't change that.

DJ's post suggested that we might be able to sign Garoppolo and keep Lance at roughly the market rate for a comparable quarterback. With the expected salary cap increase, we might be able to do so without losing any key players.

Do you see why your responses are off target?

i'm looking at the bigger picture here.. not just for next year and the draft picks that are gone does matter when we have to sign/replace players that retire/not-signed/sign elsewhere.

We have 24 FAs next year with about 14 of them being starters or 2nd string guys making great contributions. we won't be able to keep those guys at the same rate
Still need to sign bosa to a max (which his we won't be a direct impact in 2023, but his Gtd money will)
Still need to pay CMC
We still need add better needs/players and not just keep the same team

And the biggest factor of my post, This jimmy resigning idea is based as if this jimmy will be the standard for the future. But it's not, it's an anomaly (a good one). Odds are out of the 8 years of jimmy, he won't be able to do this again.

On top of that anomaly is that the season still have a long long way to go.

Do we sign jimmy and go back to a QB manager and possibly waste more years ?

tough call

Some of that is valid, but you're still off target from DJ's post (which you acknowledge in your first sentence). On top of that, when you slip into your conclusory statements about Garoppolo's performance being an anomaly and speak in absolutes about his future, your narrative shines through.

Happy Turkey Day.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Say bye to Bosa if you want to sign Jimmy to $30M per. Say bye to Jimmie Ward. Say bye to upgrading RT. Say bye to getting another CB. Say bye to upgrading anything. Say bye to Lance because you're all but telling him and the league he was a bust after 4 QRs of football….yeah I don't see this FO, ownership and coaching staff going in that direction.

if they win the SB, it then gives Kyle more breathing room to develop Lance and gives the team money to keep everything around the QB going long-term.

I disagree that resigning JG would mean we lose multiple other players.

Consider this: Let's use Stafford and Derek Carr as examples of mid-to-upper-level QB contracts. Both are getting paid $40M/yr. I would assert JG is better than either of those two, although that is not my main point. What I am suggesting is that we look at Garoppolo as being willing to stay here (he won't find a better spot) at $25-30M/yr. That plus Lance's $9.8M cap number for 2023 brings us to a QB tab of $40M/yr. Considering that we have no idea what we will get from Lance next season but we know what we have now with Garoppolo, is it unreasonable to pay the market rate for what we are now getting from Jimmy?

With the 2025 cap number projected to go from the current $208,000,000 to $256,000,000, there are multiple scenarios in which Marathe can maneuver those contract extensions, along with some options in a new contract for JG, to keep the guys you mention. Backload those contracts with that additional $46M in cap money and we keep winning.

Jimmy is still a big question mark , this is year 6 and a contract year.

you could've posted this without directly quoting dj

It has everything to do with his post. We will lose depth with not many high draft picks due to the Lance and cmc trades

do we risk it to sign a player in a contract year. Who is playing way above his normal play. Similar to the vide (not play) in 2017

We already lost those draft picks; resigning Garoppolo doesn't change that.

DJ's post suggested that we might be able to sign Garoppolo and keep Lance at roughly the market rate for a comparable quarterback. With the expected salary cap increase, we might be able to do so without losing any key players.

Do you see why your responses are off target?

i'm looking at the bigger picture here.. not just for next year and the draft picks that are gone does matter when we have to sign/replace players that retire/not-signed/sign elsewhere.

We have 24 FAs next year with about 14 of them being starters or 2nd string guys making great contributions. we won't be able to keep those guys at the same rate
Still need to sign bosa to a max (which his we won't be a direct impact in 2023, but his Gtd money will)
Still need to pay CMC
We still need add better needs/players and not just keep the same team

And the biggest factor of my post, This jimmy resigning idea is based as if this jimmy will be the standard for the future. But it's not, it's an anomaly (a good one). Odds are out of the 8 years of jimmy, he won't be able to do this again.

On top of that anomaly is that the season still have a long long way to go.

Do we sign jimmy and go back to a QB manager and possibly waste more years ?

tough call

"Year six" now it's "eight years." Lol come on, man. You're trying too hard. You're trying to make it sound like the Alex Smith years or something. We've had a ton of success with Jimmy during these "6-8 years" that you keep emphasizing. To pretend we've "endured" 6-8 years of Jimmy is ridiculous.

whats ridiculous is you can't even reply like an adult and don't know how long jimmy has been in the league

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Steve young was the top QB or QBs in the league. He also won two MVPs, SBMVP and a SB

And he choked in many big games.
Sucks but it is the truth.
Loved him but he pissed me off in big games.

Steve was a post-season choker more often than not. i sometimes think how this forum wouldve treated Steve after his heartbreaking playoff INTs.

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
Some of that is valid, but you're still off target from DJ's post (which you acknowledge in your first sentence). On top of that, when you slip into your conclusory statements about Garoppolo's performance being an anomaly and speak in absolutes about his future, your narrative shines through.

Happy Turkey Day.

i'm just looking at reality and using all the facts from what we have on the matter. Not sure how you can say jimmy will play this way from now on and the season hasn't even finished yet, nor made it to Jimmy's witching hour (the post season)

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
Some of that is valid, but you're still off target from DJ's post (which you acknowledge in your first sentence). On top of that, when you slip into your conclusory statements about Garoppolo's performance being an anomaly and speak in absolutes about his future, your narrative shines through.

Happy Turkey Day.

i'm just looking at reality and using all the facts from what we have on the matter. Not sure how you can say jimmy will play this way from now on and the season hasn't even finished yet, nor made it to Jimmy's witching hour (the post season)

Did I say that?

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
Some of that is valid, but you're still off target from DJ's post (which you acknowledge in your first sentence). On top of that, when you slip into your conclusory statements about Garoppolo's performance being an anomaly and speak in absolutes about his future, your narrative shines through.

Happy Turkey Day.

i'm just looking at reality and using all the facts from what we have on the matter. Not sure how you can say jimmy will play this way from now on and the season hasn't even finished yet, nor made it to Jimmy's witching hour (the post season)

Did I say that?

when you accused of me having a narrative and emphasized it, yes.. or you would have said nothing on it or agreed..

Originally posted by Ark49er:

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Steve young was the top QB or QBs in the league. He also won two MVPs, SBMVP and a SB

And he choked in many big games.
Sucks but it is the truth.
Loved him but he pissed me off in big games.

Again Deion Sanders is the reason Young isn't nationally viewed as the NFL greatest choker to this day. The 49ers could not get past the Cowboys without Prime and that's why I will always be a fan of Sanders. The 5th SB trophy is all due to him being the greatest to ever play the CB position. We needed him because we could never check Harper or Irving in the big moments of the games. That also would mean Young would have to come through with pressure and we have seen how that worked out against the Packers and Cowboys

Steve Young's monkey on his back would be a silverback gorilla today and I'm talking about Trent Williams.

Not true at all. A couple of observations.

One, the 49ers of the 90s made the same mistakes that the Packers of the current era make. You had two stalwarts in Steve Young and Jerry Rice, and the team did piss poor to build around them. Guys like Deion, Watters, Floyd went through the team like turnstiles when they should've been signed longterm and given the team a legitimate chance to compete for the SB. Look at Dallas and GB in the 90s. Both teams kept their core group of coaches and players intact, and were competitive for most of the decade.

Second, the team did not do a good job of drafting. Besides TO, who became a phenom at the tail end of Young's and Rice's career, which top notch player can you name that the team drafted ? Bryant Young is the only guy that I can think of that stuck around long enough to matter. Add this to my first point, or you were left with 2 players trying to carry a dynasty in a competitive NFC.

Third, teams like GB were specifically built to play the 49ers. Mike Holmgren was a Bill Walsh guy, and basically took his playbook with him to GB; the same can be said of Shanahan when he left for Denver. The 49ers were the team of the 80s, and every team was vying to be like them or better.

Did Young choke in big games ? Yes he did. But IMO, I put the blame on his shoulders for the 92 loss vs Dallas at home, the 95 loss vs GB at home, and the 97 loss vs GB at home. 93,96,98 we're just better opposition and more complete teams the Niners faced. And we won the SB in 94, and missed the playoffs in 91.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
Some of that is valid, but you're still off target from DJ's post (which you acknowledge in your first sentence). On top of that, when you slip into your conclusory statements about Garoppolo's performance being an anomaly and speak in absolutes about his future, your narrative shines through.

Happy Turkey Day.

i'm just looking at reality and using all the facts from what we have on the matter. Not sure how you can say jimmy will play this way from now on and the season hasn't even finished yet, nor made it to Jimmy's witching hour (the post season)

Did I say that?

when you accused of me having a narrative and emphasized it, yes.. or you would have said nothing on it or agreed..

Refuting an absolute statement does not create an absolute statement to the contrary. Moments ago, I posted that we don't know the outcome until the games are played, but there's plenty of reason for optimism.

Intellectual honesty is so important to meaningful communication.