Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Witching hour. 2 nfcc and a super bowl appearance. Gamevwinning drive against packers cowboys.seriously?

Originally posted by dj43:
"I've come to the conclusion [that] I don't want Jimmy around for a couple of more months," Young said Wednesday on KNBR. "I want Jimmy around for 10 years. I think that's why, when we talk about Jimmy, and what's happened, and the fundamental relationship with he and Kyle, that's why I keep talking about it, because something has to improve. ... I think the trip showed me a couple of things. One, I think Brian Griese is making a real impact. There's a sense of accomplishment that I think Brian is bringing out."

Steve Young does not completely verify it but his observation is well worth considering, especially in light of the fact he has been quite critical of the very things he is now praising Garoppolo for.

It could be. Im just taking it in week by week. Thankful we've stacked a few wins Jimmy's played zero zero ball the last few weeks. I'm withholding analysis till the end of the regular season. Go Niners

Talking down on Young to prop up Jimmy. What in the hell is wrong with you people.

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Its actually not the same thing. Jerry Rice was the GOAT. All the QBs I mentioned are playing right now. Yeah Brady is the GOAT but its not like I put Montana and Young there either.

And yeah I would take Kirk over Jimmy. He has been more consistently good over the course of his career. I'd also be take Dak, Hurts, etc

Seriously? Lol. You can have Cousins and Dak, and Hurts.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Beers, food and rooting for the Niners. Nothing more.

It wouldn't be I'm right you're wrong. It wouldn't be name calling or you said something negative about a player at some point so you suck lol.

No one would talk like they do in here….in person.

I would.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Say bye to Bosa if you want to sign Jimmy to $30M per. Say bye to Jimmie Ward. Say bye to upgrading RT. Say bye to getting another CB. Say bye to upgrading anything. Say bye to Lance because you're all but telling him and the league he was a bust after 4 QRs of football….yeah I don't see this FO, ownership and coaching staff going in that direction.

if they win the SB, it then gives Kyle more breathing room to develop Lance and gives the team money to keep everything around the QB going long-term.

I disagree that resigning JG would mean we lose multiple other players.

Consider this: Let's use Stafford and Derek Carr as examples of mid-to-upper-level QB contracts. Both are getting paid $40M/yr. I would assert JG is better than either of those two, although that is not my main point. What I am suggesting is that we look at Garoppolo as being willing to stay here (he won't find a better spot) at $25-30M/yr. That plus Lance's $9.8M cap number for 2023 brings us to a QB tab of $40M/yr. Considering that we have no idea what we will get from Lance next season but we know what we have now with Garoppolo, is it unreasonable to pay the market rate for what we are now getting from Jimmy?

With the 2025 cap number projected to go from the current $208,000,000 to $256,000,000, there are multiple scenarios in which Marathe can maneuver those contract extensions, along with some options in a new contract for JG, to keep the guys you mention. Backload those contracts with that additional $46M in cap money and we keep winning.

Jimmy is still a big question mark , this is year 6 and a contract year.

you could've posted this without directly quoting dj

It has everything to do with his post. We will lose depth with not many high draft picks due to the Lance and cmc trades

do we risk it to sign a player in a contract year. Who is playing way above his normal play. Similar to the vide (not play) in 2017

We already lost those draft picks; resigning Garoppolo doesn't change that.

DJ's post suggested that we might be able to sign Garoppolo and keep Lance at roughly the market rate for a comparable quarterback. With the expected salary cap increase, we might be able to do so without losing any key players.

Do you see why your responses are off target?

i'm looking at the bigger picture here.. not just for next year and the draft picks that are gone does matter when we have to sign/replace players that retire/not-signed/sign elsewhere.

We have 24 FAs next year with about 14 of them being starters or 2nd string guys making great contributions. we won't be able to keep those guys at the same rate
Still need to sign bosa to a max (which his we won't be a direct impact in 2023, but his Gtd money will)
Still need to pay CMC
We still need add better needs/players and not just keep the same team

And the biggest factor of my post, This jimmy resigning idea is based as if this jimmy will be the standard for the future. But it's not, it's an anomaly (a good one). Odds are out of the 8 years of jimmy, he won't be able to do this again.

On top of that anomaly is that the season still have a long long way to go.

Do we sign jimmy and go back to a QB manager and possibly waste more years ?

tough call

"Year six" now it's "eight years." Lol come on, man. You're trying too hard. You're trying to make it sound like the Alex Smith years or something. We've had a ton of success with Jimmy during these "6-8 years" that you keep emphasizing. To pretend we've "endured" 6-8 years of Jimmy is ridiculous.

whats ridiculous is you can't even reply like an adult and don't know how long jimmy has been in the league

So now you're including his two years as a backup as years of experience?

Tell me you're trying to denigrate Jimmy without telling me you're trying to denigrate Jimmy.

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
Some of that is valid, but you're still off target from DJ's post (which you acknowledge in your first sentence). On top of that, when you slip into your conclusory statements about Garoppolo's performance being an anomaly and speak in absolutes about his future, your narrative shines through.

Happy Turkey Day.

i'm just looking at reality and using all the facts from what we have on the matter. Not sure how you can say jimmy will play this way from now on and the season hasn't even finished yet, nor made it to Jimmy's witching hour (the post season)

Did I say that?

when you accused of me having a narrative and emphasized it, yes.. or you would have said nothing on it or agreed..

Refuting an absolute statement does not create an absolute statement to the contrary. Moments ago, I posted that we don't know the outcome until the games are played, but there's plenty of reason for optimism.

Intellectual honesty is so important to meaningful communication.

lol.. if you don't know the outcome then there isn't a way to have optimism,, yet you do.

Life/discussions doesn't stop because we don't know the outcome.. we're discussing the resigning. DJ is saying we could do it.. i'm saying there is a big risk if we do

Jimmy has redeemed himself. Having top shelf talent helps, but I'm down to roll with him for another 3 years.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Talking down on Young to prop up Jimmy. What in the hell is wrong with you people.

Analogies are hard.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
Some of that is valid, but you're still off target from DJ's post (which you acknowledge in your first sentence). On top of that, when you slip into your conclusory statements about Garoppolo's performance being an anomaly and speak in absolutes about his future, your narrative shines through.

Happy Turkey Day.

i'm just looking at reality and using all the facts from what we have on the matter. Not sure how you can say jimmy will play this way from now on and the season hasn't even finished yet, nor made it to Jimmy's witching hour (the post season)

Did I say that?

when you accused of me having a narrative and emphasized it, yes.. or you would have said nothing on it or agreed..

Refuting an absolute statement does not create an absolute statement to the contrary. Moments ago, I posted that we don't know the outcome until the games are played, but there's plenty of reason for optimism.

Intellectual honesty is so important to meaningful communication.

lol.. if you don't know the outcome then there isn't a way to have optimism,, yet you do.

Life/discussions doesn't stop because we don't know the outcome.. we're discussing the resigning. DJ is saying we could do it.. i'm saying there is a big risk if we do

It's like we're speaking different languages. Optimism exists only in the presence of uncertainty. Knowing the outcome of something affirmatively precludes the existence of optimism.

The risk you're identifying is off target from DJ's post. Not going to explain that to you again.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
A) the speculation about griese can"t be verified. Who knows why jimmy gone on a nice 3 game run. Could be many factors. Kyle changing up the game plans, hiscarm feeling better, greise coaching him up, better options at 4 and 5breceiver, mccaffrey magic, worse opponents who knows.

All its gonna take is one bad decision to bring the boobirds back. Im just enjoying it. Jimmy can play good. Im glad hes doing it.

true

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Talking down on Young to prop up Jimmy. What in the hell is wrong with you people.

Analogies are hard.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
i'm looking at the bigger picture here.. not just for next year and the draft picks that are gone does matter when we have to sign/replace players that retire/not-signed/sign elsewhere.

We have 24 FAs next year with about 14 of them being starters or 2nd string guys making great contributions. we won't be able to keep those guys at the same rate
Still need to sign bosa to a max (which his we won't be a direct impact in 2023, but his Gtd money will)
Still need to pay CMC
We still need add better needs/players and not just keep the same team

And the biggest factor of my post, This jimmy resigning idea is based as if this jimmy will be the standard for the future. But it's not, it's an anomaly (a good one). Odds are out of the 8 years of jimmy, he won't be able to do this again.

On top of that anomaly is that the season still have a long long way to go.

Do we sign jimmy and go back to a QB manager and possibly waste more years ?

tough call

It really isn't a tough call. You really do have to look at the bigger picture. That bigger picture includes a MINIMUM of $46,000,000 in the bank account by 2025.

CMC is locked up throughout 2025. That is the big picture.

Now we can sign/extend the guys we need with backloaded contracts to fit under the cap.

Now the question is; what QB do you want? The guy that Steve Young says has made so much progress under Brian Griese that he wants him back for 10 more years or let him walk and go with a very inexperienced QB that has only shown well against the worst team in the league?

Happy Thanksgiving. The turkey is coming off the BBQ.

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
It's like we're speaking different languages. Optimism exists only in the presence of uncertainty. Knowing the outcome of something affirmatively precludes the existence of optimism.

The risk you're identifying is off target from DJ's post. Not going to explain that to you again.

I'm not sure I understand what you said but it sounded great.

Originally posted by dj43:
I'm not sure I understand what you said but it sounded great.

All we are is dust in the wind.