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Nov 24, 2022 at 4:28 PM
Originally posted by jonnydel:
816 providing the playart on the play JTO highlighted


Wasn't the alert a post? Or am I misremembering? Regardless, it's close enough.
Nov 24, 2022 at 4:30 PM
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:

A bit harsh, but I never played QB in the NFL, so I'll defer to the experts.
Oh man .. he had Aiyuk wide open deep

Not pulling the trigger on one touchdown doesn't matter that much when you throw four. It's fine if the team is still scoring points.
Nov 24, 2022 at 4:39 PM
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:

A bit harsh, but I never played QB in the NFL, so I'll defer to the experts.
Oh man .. he had Aiyuk wide open deep

Not pulling the trigger on one touchdown doesn't matter that much when you throw four. It's fine if the team is still scoring points.
well i guess if jimmy knows he will score 4 touchdowns then it's ok
Nov 24, 2022 at 4:56 PM
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
I said explosive plays thru the air.

I was merely showing that how we are doing it is working

Why does it matter how they look?

Because air yards are dope for highlights, bro.


Air yards tell you roughly how much credit the QB should get for a play (with the one caveat being that throwing in stride helps YAC). It is not hugely important to winning, but there is still a positive correlation. Interceptions per pass attempt are only SLIGHTLY more important to winning and losing in terms of win% correlation than completed air yards per pass attempt (CAY/ATT correlated with winning with a Pearson correlation coefficient of 0.3161, INT's coefficient was -0.3519).

The irony here is that Jimmy was top ten in CAY/ATT last year.

The reason why Jimmy not being near the top shouldn't entirely be considered a flaw, of course, is that if YOU had Deebo, McCaffrey, Kittle, Aiyuk, Juice and Jennings to throw to, you might consider the fact that with guys like that, you can probably still get big plays without the risk of throwing it further down field.

But air yards still gives you a rough idea about how much the QB contributed to a given completion.
Nov 24, 2022 at 4:58 PM
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Ut oh, one clip of him not seeing the field!!! You sir are a hater for ever posting this…


He absolutely saw it, he just didn't risk it. Maybe he knows his limitations and played it safe? He looks right at Aiyuk though.

As I pointed out in my previous post, another calculation he might be doing is knowing how nearly limitless his weapons are, and because of that might be playing it safe.
Nov 24, 2022 at 5:00 PM
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:

Question: Is Jimmy's quick release an elite trait just like Mahomes' arm angles, Jackson's elusiveness and Allen's arm strength?

Another hot take. This actually makes me more optimistic about this offense under Trey Lance. Off-schedule plays in this offense is lethal. Hopefully Lance will add more of that element next season.

I'll be happy if the guy can just stay healthy long enough to get some experience. He seems prone to injury to this point.

And I would be happy with him to be lethal in ON-schedule plays.

I'd rather have a QB who executed the offense and avoids off schedule plays.

the limited sample size we have seen from Trey make me think we wasted three first round picks on a slower less talented Tim Tebow

happy to have Jimmy

This is where your credibility went in the toilet. He's neither slower nor less talented. Just because he—as an extremely raw rookie—hesitated on some runs does not mean he's slow.
Nov 24, 2022 at 5:01 PM
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:

Question: Is Jimmy's quick release an elite trait just like Mahomes' arm angles, Jackson's elusiveness and Allen's arm strength?

Another hot take. This actually makes me more optimistic about this offense under Trey Lance. Off-schedule plays in this offense is lethal. Hopefully Lance will add more of that element next season.

I'll be happy if the guy can just stay healthy long enough to get some experience. He seems prone to injury to this point.

And I would be happy with him to be lethal in ON-schedule plays.

I'd rather have a QB who executed the offense and avoids off schedule plays.

the limited sample size we have seen from Trey make me think we wasted three first round picks on a slower less talented Tim Tebow

happy to have Jimmy



A little much. As a runner, Tebow was clearly better. But Trey clearly has the better arm. I do agree we haven't seen Trey execute this offense anywhere close to the way Jimmy has to date, but we haven't even had a chance to see him.

Jimmy just fits the identity of this team. And the players love him.

Tebow ran 4.71. You're retconning your memory. Trey is faster than Tebow was. He's just not as adept at doing the running parts that AREN'T related to physical talent (all the mental stuff related to finding and hitting the hole).
Nov 24, 2022 at 5:03 PM
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 49ers81:
Originally posted by jonnydel:

I never know what to make of Steve's comments these days. One minute he's all in on Lance and how Jimmy got 'fired' from the team because of this that and the other thing and how he isn't the guy to carry the team forward. And now this quote. You gotta love the fact that Steve remains a 49er through and through but I'm not sure these contrary takes really help the narrative around the team.

A lot of the usual suspects are in here giving Jimmy grudging credit for playing well while at the same time insisting he will inevitably return to what they deem his normal play. My take is that Jimmy is playing to his potential and that his current success doesn't surprise me at all. It is something he has always been capable of but which has occasionally been untracked by a penitent for errant throws and kind of head scratching picks. Clearly McCaffrey's presence has helped a lot by giving him a reliable check down option that keeps him from feeling he needs to try and force the ball into tight windows to make a play.

There has been a lot of chatter about a play you mentioned in your recent breakdown where Jimmy hit McCaffrey on a short route that picked up a first down when he possibly had an opportunity for a bigger play with Aiyuk further down the field. And of course all of the usual suspects are latching onto this as proof of Jimmy not being a "big play" QB. The situation isn't helped of course by the fact that career back-up, I never took any team to a playoff game, JT O'Sullivan chose to highlight that play and insist that any real QB has to make that throw. With all that in mind I would be curious as to your take on the current level of Jimmy's play. Is he actually playing better than he has in the past or is he just finally in a better position with McCaffrey's presence to utilize the traits he has always possessed?

LOL @ Steve Young. Dude was just saying Kyle has trust issues with Jimmy and wants to draw up 500 yard passing games.

I blame Aeneas Williams.

Steve is accurate. You dispute that for the same reason you claim our offensive line is bad and that Kyle is bad.

EDIT—to clarify before I get more "hater" monikers, Steve is right Kyle has not trusted Jimmy. That doesn't mean Kyle was right to not trust Jimmy. I personally think he historically has been right, but perhaps he's wrong to have continued into this season.
[ Edited by 5_Golden_Rings on Nov 24, 2022 at 5:04 PM ]
Nov 24, 2022 at 5:08 PM
Originally posted by Jeepzilla:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Steve young was the top QB or QBs in the league. He also won two MVPs, SBMVP and a SB

And he choked in many big games.
Sucks but it is the truth.
Loved him but he pissed me off in big games.

When did he choke?

We lost to the Cowboys because our defense was below the median both years. We lost to the Packers because of injuries, dumb fumbles, bad pass protection, and big plays by the Packers' offense and special teams. I don't blame him for throwing interceptions when the 49ers got down 21-0 because of a fumble return for a touchdown, a punt return for a touchdown, and a good Packers offensive drive.
Nov 24, 2022 at 5:13 PM
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:

A bit harsh, but I never played QB in the NFL, so I'll defer to the experts.

Did you watch the whole video where he praised Jimmy the entire time? Or just found the one nugget to take a shot at Jimmy?

"One of his biggest fans" 🤡

What I liked from his video is that Jimmy mostly had outstanding mechanics. Historically he's done the weird hop pass thing. But he seems to have worked on that.

In addition, maybe the biggest thing here, is that Jimmy has started being deadly on second reaction plays. These two things have made him much more dangerous (both pointed out by JTO), as well as the third thing he's done, IMHO, which is he's improved on his progressions and post-snap adjustments.
all these QBs won't be NFL QBs if they didn't have the mechanics. The difference is being comfortable to actually use them when the bullets start flying... and it looks like he's getting more and more comfortable

You can literally see when his mechanics fail him, and you can literally see historically this is precisely why he's been all over the place on deep balls.

So you're argument is that he abandoned his mechanics previously because he was jittery. That's probably true. But in 2017 for example he did it even with a completely clean pocket (the over throw on the deep cross against the Jaguars is one particular play you can look at). I'd argue that wasn't him being jittery. I'd argue the reason he has done that historically is to speed up the process of getting the ball to the target, and if he's gotten more calm back there, instead of rushing, he may just be starting the motion early, allowing him to get his feet set on time to deliver when he wants to.
Nov 24, 2022 at 5:15 PM
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:

A bit harsh, but I never played QB in the NFL, so I'll defer to the experts.

Did you watch the whole video where he praised Jimmy the entire time? Or just found the one nugget to take a shot at Jimmy?

"One of his biggest fans" 🤡

What I liked from his video is that Jimmy mostly had outstanding mechanics. Historically he's done the weird hop pass thing. But he seems to have worked on that.

In addition, maybe the biggest thing here, is that Jimmy has started being deadly on second reaction plays. These two things have made him much more dangerous (both pointed out by JTO), as well as the third thing he's done, IMHO, which is he's improved on his progressions and post-snap adjustments.

Its an overstatement to pick on this one play -- which was successful -- and say he turned down the quarters beater he doesnt have the temperament for a first class qb. There could be a lot involved really. Maybe that wasnt the route he was supposed to run, or the vertical was intended to influence the mccaffrey route etc. And the play got the first down. So it was successful. I mean, i think you need to see a few more decisions like that before you come to a conclusion.

Out of curiosity, have you ever watched a Jimmy G game before?

Regarding that play in particular, the most likely reason is that the 49ers were winning and he didn't feel like taking a chance.
Nov 24, 2022 at 5:17 PM
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:

A bit harsh, but I never played QB in the NFL, so I'll defer to the experts.
Oh man .. he had Aiyuk wide open deep

Not pulling the trigger on one touchdown doesn't matter that much when you throw four. It's fine if the team is still scoring points.
well i guess if jimmy knows he will score 4 touchdowns then it's ok

Oh my mistake, I forgot when that play was. But, we were winning, so it's possible that was the motivation. Still, it's not like this is some new thing.
Nov 24, 2022 at 5:25 PM
  • Furlow
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Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
I said explosive plays thru the air.

I was merely showing that how we are doing it is working

Why does it matter how they look?

Because air yards are dope for highlights, bro.


Air yards tell you roughly how much credit the QB should get for a play (with the one caveat being that throwing in stride helps YAC). It is not hugely important to winning, but there is still a positive correlation. Interceptions per pass attempt are only SLIGHTLY more important to winning and losing in terms of win% correlation than completed air yards per pass attempt (CAY/ATT correlated with winning with a Pearson correlation coefficient of 0.3161, INT's coefficient was -0.3519).

The irony here is that Jimmy was top ten in CAY/ATT last year.

The reason why Jimmy not being near the top shouldn't entirely be considered a flaw, of course, is that if YOU had Deebo, McCaffrey, Kittle, Aiyuk, Juice and Jennings to throw to, you might consider the fact that with guys like that, you can probably still get big plays without the risk of throwing it further down field.

But air yards still gives you a rough idea about how much the QB contributed to a given completion.

The discussion was about explosive plays, which we're clearly good at. The point is why does it matter if it's from air yards or YAC/accuracy? I would agree that air yards has a positive correlation to winning, but that doesn't mean that chucking it up for the sake of getting air yards is smart. And that's essentially what the Jimmy detractors say - "just throw it deep." I'd like to see some deep shots too, personnel that specialize in that (like Gray) would/will help. But it has to happen organically, not just forced for the hell of it.

The 2022 version of Kyle and Jimmy is their best yet. Whether it's his repaired shoulder, Kyle loosening the reigns, Jimmy chirping at Kyle, Jimmy saying F it and letting it rip, Griese/footwork/mechanics, CMC, or a combination of some/all of those - I don't personally care. It's working and it's fun to watch. We can absolutely win the Super Bowl with this recipe. And if we do, I think the entire narrative around Jimmy drastically changes.
Nov 24, 2022 at 5:35 PM
Originally posted by Furlow:
The discussion was about explosive plays, which we're clearly good at. The point is why does it matter if it's from air yards or YAC/accuracy?

It matters if you're comparing 1 QB and their impact on the game to another. Before the discussion was about explosive plays, it was about the impact our QB has on the game, rating systems, et. al.

I mean the scoreboard doesnt care whether it was a 79 yard run after a 1 yard throw or not.

Common sense would tell you though that how far the QB throws the ball would be a good metric to look at if you're going to compare QBs (right along with other metrics).

No sense in trying to hide from the painfully obvious.
Nov 24, 2022 at 6:05 PM
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:

A bit harsh, but I never played QB in the NFL, so I'll defer to the experts.

Did you watch the whole video where he praised Jimmy the entire time? Or just found the one nugget to take a shot at Jimmy?

"One of his biggest fans" 🤡

What I liked from his video is that Jimmy mostly had outstanding mechanics. Historically he's done the weird hop pass thing. But he seems to have worked on that.

In addition, maybe the biggest thing here, is that Jimmy has started being deadly on second reaction plays. These two things have made him much more dangerous (both pointed out by JTO), as well as the third thing he's done, IMHO, which is he's improved on his progressions and post-snap adjustments.
all these QBs won't be NFL QBs if they didn't have the mechanics. The difference is being comfortable to actually use them when the bullets start flying... and it looks like he's getting more and more comfortable

You can literally see when his mechanics fail him, and you can literally see historically this is precisely why he's been all over the place on deep balls.

So you're argument is that he abandoned his mechanics previously because he was jittery. That's probably true. But in 2017 for example he did it even with a completely clean pocket (the over throw on the deep cross against the Jaguars is one particular play you can look at). I'd argue that wasn't him being jittery. I'd argue the reason he has done that historically is to speed up the process of getting the ball to the target, and if he's gotten more calm back there, instead of rushing, he may just be starting the motion early, allowing him to get his feet set on time to deliver when he wants to.
his drop back is fine.. it's just when he doesn't get to throw to his first progression... he starts tap dancing. that tapping has been getting less and less with every game.

as for 2017.. our QBs were getting killed.. especially CJB. I would be a little nervous taking over

This is the jimmy i've been waiting for actually (take advantage of the entire field).. i hope he keeps it up
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