Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Talking down on Young to prop up Jimmy. What in the hell is wrong with you people.

Analogies are hard.

Relax. He has 10+ games or so to prove he's a top tier QB. We'll need more than good or solid results though, just looking at our supporting cast.

We'll need results like he had in Mehico.

Dude, no quarterback is going to throw four touchdowns a game every game, lol.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:
The discussion was about explosive plays, which we're clearly good at. The point is why does it matter if it's from air yards or YAC/accuracy?

It matters if you're comparing 1 QB and their impact on the game to another. Before the discussion was about explosive plays, it was about the impact our QB has on the game, rating systems, et. al.

I mean the scoreboard doesnt care whether it was a 79 yard run after a 1 yard throw or not.

Common sense would tell you though that how far the QB throws the ball would be a good metric to look at if you're going to compare QBs (right along with other metrics).

No sense in trying to hide from the painfully obvious.

He didn't make it past coaching pee wee football for a reason.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:
The discussion was about explosive plays, which we're clearly good at. The point is why does it matter if it's from air yards or YAC/accuracy?

It matters if you're comparing 1 QB and their impact on the game to another. Before the discussion was about explosive plays, it was about the impact our QB has on the game, rating systems, et. al.

I mean the scoreboard doesnt care whether it was a 79 yard run after a 1 yard throw or not.

Common sense would tell you though that how far the QB throws the ball would be a good metric to look at if you're going to compare QBs (right along with other metrics).

No sense in trying to hide from the painfully obvious.

He didn't make it past coaching pee wee football for a reason.

I just want the 9ers to win a Super Bowl I could give two s**ts about air yards and top 10 status. If the 9ers ran the wildcat all season and won a Super Bowl with it, I would still be a proud 49er fan.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:
The discussion was about explosive plays, which we're clearly good at. The point is why does it matter if it's from air yards or YAC/accuracy?

It matters if you're comparing 1 QB and their impact on the game to another. Before the discussion was about explosive plays, it was about the impact our QB has on the game, rating systems, et. al.

I mean the scoreboard doesnt care whether it was a 79 yard run after a 1 yard throw or not.

Common sense would tell you though that how far the QB throws the ball would be a good metric to look at if you're going to compare QBs (right along with other metrics).

No sense in trying to hide from the painfully obvious.

Again, this same silly and lazy argument was used against Joe Montana and Steve Young because the WCO offense thrived on short, quick throws. We had a lot of playmakers then too. It makes sense to get them the ball and let them get YAC.

What you Jimmy detractors never seem to grasp is that a QB has to be accurate and on time for YAC to happen. You pretend that Jimmy is throwing nothing but screens and curls and then our WR's are miraculously breaking multiple tackles every play. That's not the case.

Why our own fans continue to disparage a QB who is good at doing what the coach wants him to do is so confusing to me. I could see if we sucked but we're very successful and fortunate to have all of these wins. Sportscenter top ten plays and fantasy football really ruined football IQ's (what little there was anyway).

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:
The discussion was about explosive plays, which we're clearly good at. The point is why does it matter if it's from air yards or YAC/accuracy?

It matters if you're comparing 1 QB and their impact on the game to another. Before the discussion was about explosive plays, it was about the impact our QB has on the game, rating systems, et. al.

I mean the scoreboard doesnt care whether it was a 79 yard run after a 1 yard throw or not.

Common sense would tell you though that how far the QB throws the ball would be a good metric to look at if you're going to compare QBs (right along with other metrics).

No sense in trying to hide from the painfully obvious.

He didn't make it past coaching pee wee football for a reason.

So you're getting owned by a pee wee coach then?
Still waiting to hear your experience. Or post anything of relevance in this or any thread.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
I just want the 9ers to win a Super Bowl I could give two s**ts about air yards and top 10 status. If the 9ers ran the wildcat all season and won a Super Bowl with it, I would still be a proud 49er fan.

Me too but having a good QB is cool and fun to root for.

Originally posted by Furlow:
Again, this same silly and lazy argument was used against Joe Montana and Steve Young because the WCO offense thrived on short, quick throws. We had a lot of playmakers then too. It makes sense to get them the ball and let them get YAC.

What you Jimmy detractors never seem to grasp is that a QB has to be accurate and on time for YAC to happen. You pretend that Jimmy is throwing nothing but screens and curls and then our WR's are miraculously breaking multiple tackles every play. That's not the case.

Why our own fans continue to disparage a QB who is good at doing what the coach wants him to do is so confusing to me. I could see if we sucked but we're very successful and fortunate to have all of these wins. Sportscenter top ten plays and fantasy football really ruined football IQ's (what little there was anyway).

This has nothing to do with Joe Montana and Steve Young.

How far a QB threw the ball on a particular passing play SHOULD hold some weight on his contribution to a touchdown (for example).

It just,....should. It's common sense.

Should it mean everything? No. But I'll take "SOMETHING" over your silly argument that it should have no bearing at all if we're calculating ratings in comparison.

Suggesting it shouldn't be looked at at all is just....

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Again, this same silly and lazy argument was used against Joe Montana and Steve Young because the WCO offense thrived on short, quick throws. We had a lot of playmakers then too. It makes sense to get them the ball and let them get YAC.

What you Jimmy detractors never seem to grasp is that a QB has to be accurate and on time for YAC to happen. You pretend that Jimmy is throwing nothing but screens and curls and then our WR's are miraculously breaking multiple tackles every play. That's not the case.

Why our own fans continue to disparage a QB who is good at doing what the coach wants him to do is so confusing to me. I could see if we sucked but we're very successful and fortunate to have all of these wins. Sportscenter top ten plays and fantasy football really ruined football IQ's (what little there was anyway).

This has nothing to do with Joe Montana and Steve Young.

How far a QB threw the ball on a particular passing play SHOULD hold some weight on his contribution to a touchdown (for example).

It just,....should. It's common sense.

Should it mean everything? No. But I'll take "SOMETHING" over your silly argument that it should have no bearing at all if we're calculating ratings in comparison.

Suggesting it shouldn't be looked at at all is just....

I actually found myself agreeing with your post until you added the picture. Air yards are certainly relevant, but being low in that stat isn't necessarily a problem. What they're doing is working, and Garoppolo is a huge part of that.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Again, this same silly and lazy argument was used against Joe Montana and Steve Young because the WCO offense thrived on short, quick throws. We had a lot of playmakers then too. It makes sense to get them the ball and let them get YAC.

What you Jimmy detractors never seem to grasp is that a QB has to be accurate and on time for YAC to happen. You pretend that Jimmy is throwing nothing but screens and curls and then our WR's are miraculously breaking multiple tackles every play. That's not the case.

Why our own fans continue to disparage a QB who is good at doing what the coach wants him to do is so confusing to me. I could see if we sucked but we're very successful and fortunate to have all of these wins. Sportscenter top ten plays and fantasy football really ruined football IQ's (what little there was anyway).

This has nothing to do with Joe Montana and Steve Young.

How far a QB threw the ball on a particular passing play SHOULD hold some weight on his contribution to a touchdown (for example).

It just,....should. It's common sense.

Should it mean everything? No. But I'll take "SOMETHING" over your silly argument that it should have no bearing at all if we're calculating ratings in comparison.

Suggesting it shouldn't be looked at at all is just....

Sure look at it all you want. But to continue to make that the focal point of your argument (when you're not blaming Jimmy for obvious drops by our WR's) is disingenuous at best. At worst, and more likely reality, is it's trolling. There is enough to question about Jimmy's game (like not throwing the post to Aiyuk) that you don't need to create false narratives.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:
The discussion was about explosive plays, which we're clearly good at. The point is why does it matter if it's from air yards or YAC/accuracy?

It matters if you're comparing 1 QB and their impact on the game to another. Before the discussion was about explosive plays, it was about the impact our QB has on the game, rating systems, et. al.

I mean the scoreboard doesnt care whether it was a 79 yard run after a 1 yard throw or not.

Common sense would tell you though that how far the QB throws the ball would be a good metric to look at if you're going to compare QBs (right along with other metrics).

No sense in trying to hide from the painfully obvious.

Again, this same silly and lazy argument was used against Joe Montana and Steve Young because the WCO offense thrived on short, quick throws. We had a lot of playmakers then too. It makes sense to get them the ball and let them get YAC.

What you Jimmy detractors never seem to grasp is that a QB has to be accurate and on time for YAC to happen. You pretend that Jimmy is throwing nothing but screens and curls and then our WR's are miraculously breaking multiple tackles every play. That's not the case.

Why our own fans continue to disparage a QB who is good at doing what the coach wants him to do is so confusing to me. I could see if we sucked but we're very successful and fortunate to have all of these wins. Sportscenter top ten plays and fantasy football really ruined football IQ's (what little there was anyway).

But doesn't the coach want him doing that because he's simply too erratic with deeper passes? I'm all for the YAC plays too, but it seems that if the QB never even attempts a deep pass, the D will never respect it and have a bit of an advantage.

Originally posted by Furlow:
Sure look at it all you want. But to continue to make that the focal point of your argument (when you're not blaming Jimmy for obvious drops by our WR's) is disingenuous at best. At worst, and more likely reality, is it's trolling. There is enough to question about Jimmy's game (like not throwing the post to Aiyuk) that you don't need to create false narratives.

Let's stop twisting to other stuff,....as I never said a word about Jimmy G and was simply responding to your query.

And just so I understand,....your argument is that how far a QB threw a pass for an 60 yd touchdown should not at all be tracked.... whether he threw it to the LOS, 1 yard, or for 60 yards to the endzone.

No one should track this and it should never matter in any metric,...ever. Correct?


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Sidenote: Who here would ever guess that a poster could actually argue to never look how far passes travel, but let's measure whether the ball wobbles 2 times vs 3 times before it gets there?

I mean you just cant make this stuff up.

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:
The discussion was about explosive plays, which we're clearly good at. The point is why does it matter if it's from air yards or YAC/accuracy?

It matters if you're comparing 1 QB and their impact on the game to another. Before the discussion was about explosive plays, it was about the impact our QB has on the game, rating systems, et. al.

I mean the scoreboard doesnt care whether it was a 79 yard run after a 1 yard throw or not.

Common sense would tell you though that how far the QB throws the ball would be a good metric to look at if you're going to compare QBs (right along with other metrics).

No sense in trying to hide from the painfully obvious.

Again, this same silly and lazy argument was used against Joe Montana and Steve Young because the WCO offense thrived on short, quick throws. We had a lot of playmakers then too. It makes sense to get them the ball and let them get YAC.

What you Jimmy detractors never seem to grasp is that a QB has to be accurate and on time for YAC to happen. You pretend that Jimmy is throwing nothing but screens and curls and then our WR's are miraculously breaking multiple tackles every play. That's not the case.

Why our own fans continue to disparage a QB who is good at doing what the coach wants him to do is so confusing to me. I could see if we sucked but we're very successful and fortunate to have all of these wins. Sportscenter top ten plays and fantasy football really ruined football IQ's (what little there was anyway).

But doesn't the coach want him doing that because he's simply too erratic with deeper passes? I'm all for the YAC plays too, but it seems that if the QB never even attempts a deep pass, the D will never respect it and have a bit of an advantage.

"Never?" You can argue Jimmy doesn't throw it deep enough, and we can argue why that it is. But you can't say we never throw it deep.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:
Sure look at it all you want. But to continue to make that the focal point of your argument (when you're not blaming Jimmy for obvious drops by our WR's) is disingenuous at best. At worst, and more likely reality, is it's trolling. There is enough to question about Jimmy's game (like not throwing the post to Aiyuk) that you don't need to create false narratives.

Let's stop twisting to other stuff,....as I never said a word about Jimmy G and was simply responding to your query.

And just so I understand,....your argument is that how far a QB threw a pass for an 60 yd touchdown should not at all be tracked.... whether he threw it to the LOS, 1 yard, or for 60 yards to the endzone.

No one should track this and it should never matter in any metric,...ever. Correct?


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Sidenote: Who here would ever guess that a poster could actually argue to never look how far passes travel, but let's measure whether the ball wobbles 2 times vs 3 times before it gets there?

I mean you just cant make this stuff up.

Again, I said look at it all you want. Although your graphic shows that Baker Mayfield is "better" than Aaron Rodgers? It's simply a silly hill to die on.

Wobbles per rotation is ACTUALLY sports science and backed by concrete evidence. Science is hard though so I understand why you don't like it.

Originally posted by Furlow:
Again, I said look at it all you want. Although your graphic shows that Baker Mayfield is "better" than Aaron Rodgers?

Where the hell does it say that Baker is better than Rodgers?

It's simply displaying facts between a certain # of seasons.

How you interpret the facts is up to you.

I can argue that 3 completions that distance is more than Baker's 2, so Aaron Rodgers wins. So what? It's just an example that gives perspective.

I can guarantee you that 5 additional passes over the course of 13 seasons isin't going to make ANY 1 QB better than the other.

Favre,...those were his last couple of seasons after a long career. Again, facts and perspective.