Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by dj43:
It is up to Jimmy to decide which is of greater value to him; money or a ring.

If money is his greatest value, there are several teams, the Commanders being one of them, that could pay him $50M/yr with a hefty guarantee. The Texans are another.

If having a legit shot at a ring is his value, the 49ers can pay him $30M/yr and keep the core together in the process.

IMO, he will be disrespected much more if he chooses the top-of-the-market deal instead of a chance to help win a ring for his teammates.

The QB is the most important player on the team, hence draws the greatest percentage of the cap. Therefore, the values the QB holds will have the greatest impact on what the FO can put around to to win games. If Jimmy chooses money, we will have to deal with a QB who is "learning on the job." If that QB fails, there will be a lot of players and fans that will very upset at this playoff level roster not meeting expectations.

50 mil for Jimmy??? There is 0 chance of that happening. Even 30 is pushing it.

You are absolutely clueless about average salaries per year for QB's next year and beyond if you think $30m/year is "pushing it."

True, any QB in the top 12 range is going to likely going to get paid $40m+ on their next deal. Don't see why Jimmy would or should be paid any less than that. Jimmy doesn't need to make financial concessions to compete for Super Bowls, because he knows that whatever team he goes to is automatically a Super Bowl contender specifically because he's on it.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Some of these Jimmy Garoppolo stats are wild dude

4th highest adjusted yards per attempt in NFL history

7th highest winning percentage in NFL history among QBs that have started at least 50 games

— Jordan Elliott (@splash_cousin) November 25, 2022

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Himmy G🧊 pic.twitter.com/r4N7CJd7hh

— NFL GameDay (@NFLGameDay) November 25, 2022

I wonder why there is such a large discrepancy with pff? Pff has Jimmy at 71.2 passer rating when under pressure.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Himmy G🧊 pic.twitter.com/r4N7CJd7hh

— NFL GameDay (@NFLGameDay) November 25, 2022

I wonder why there is such a large discrepancy with pff? Pff has Jimmy at 71.2 passer rating when under pressure.

I'm still trying to figure out how PFF graded him 65.6 for the last game.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Himmy G🧊 pic.twitter.com/r4N7CJd7hh

— NFL GameDay (@NFLGameDay) November 25, 2022

I wonder why there is such a large discrepancy with pff? Pff has Jimmy at 71.2 passer rating when under pressure.

I'm still trying to figure out how PFF graded him 65.6 for the last game.

Idk. I don't pay any attention to their grades. Pff has Jimmy at 33/61 for 332 yards with 4 TD's and 3 INT's when under pressure.

Jimmy doesn't need to win, or even get to, the Super Bowl to get a Payday next year. He just needs to play low turnover football and show a little bit of the Improv that's been coming out the last couple of weeks. Say keep the interceptions to one for 50 and the fumbles to one per every four games or five game. That will bring him a multi-year contract with decent money either by us or someone else. who knows what the ratings are all about. He's number 6 NFL number 21 qbr. That's just crazy. And PFF does their own thing nobody knows how they grade.

I think his arms feeling better. I think Kyle's calling some different route Concepts and it's working for Jimmy. The one aspect of the team offense that I'm negative on is the fantasy ball that may be influencing play calling. I wonder if it's taking play ideas off the table for us to our B and C players and dialing down winners

Originally posted by dj43:
In context, I was responding to the suggestion that JG could get top money in a scenario where we win the Super Bowl and he continues to perform as he has the past three games. In such a case, there are teams that could pay him that much. He isn't worth that much, IMO, but I don't think Kyler Murray is worth that much either. Certainly Russel Wilson isn't earning his $49M/yr either.

However, JG is worth Derek Carr money and that is currently $40M/yr. For $30M/yr, you can get Matt Ryan or Ryan Tannehill.

The $30M/yr would be a slight raise from his prior contract, and with the huge increases in cap money coming in the next two years, $30M would be a bargain. Wait until next season when we see what Joe Burrow is going to get as he gets extended. $50M will be where the discussion starts for him.

Here is where I laid out how Spotrac sees it going. #137935

https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/189603-qb-jimmy-garoppolo-thread/page9196/

See Nick Foles, SB MVP and 1 probowl 2013, earning less than 4M this year as IND QB3.
Even if the 9ers get to the SB and win it, it will be highly unlikely Jimmy G is the SB MVP, even then he might be the next Nick Foles, it also highly depends on which teams are QB1 needy next season (not the 9ers, they have Trey and was already ready to move on from Jimmy) and is willing to take the huge risk of throwing away big money for a older QB with limitations, some injury durability issues, hasn't made one probowl yet, and has came up short and played subpar in many big games at the end of one too many seasons. BTW 3 good games vs 3 average or less performing teams with injuries by Jimmy really hasn't proven anything (pass his limitations)
especially consider the addition and acclimation of CMC to all the other weapons and KS calling the best plays for Jimmy to execute or extend, we'll see if they can get to the big one and win it at the end of the season, it will still require a team effort and great play calling on both side of the ball.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by random49er:
Uhmmm,...ok. I notice you were noncommital on the question of should it always be completely ignored or not,...so good dodge.

Since there's this suddenly weird fear of facts and how far QBs throw on a football forum of all places.....let's add some more, shall we?

Jimmy went 20 for 29,.....thought it'd be interesting to highlight comparison games since Kyler Murray went 20 for 29 earlier this year as well vs. our next opponent.... and Nick Mullens did as well in this offense in 2018.

It's pretty cool numbers-wise because you can compare all of their makes and their misses evenly.

So some side-by-side looks @ the attacked and successful areas highlighting true depth of targets ...

Weird doc I'm seeing tonight.

Sorry to whomever saw these chart comparisons as a personal attack.

probably wasn't this post itself and instead what followed after between you and furlow

Steve Young says 10 more years Jimmy G. A big deal extension. But the WZ guys think they know more.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Steve Young says 10 more years Jimmy G. A big deal extension. But the WZ guys think they know more.

LMAO, Steve Young is delusional after only 3 good games vs 3 average or less performaning teams with injuries, it's NOT even the playoffs yet 🤣

Would you sign up for a 10 year marriage with a girl after 3 good dates knowing she has divorced 2x the last 2-3 years due to her own issues, problems and limitations as a good partner wife or mother? 🤣

Put it in CONTEXT, before making ANY major decisions especially if it relates to MONEY AND LONG TERM FUTURE aka Steve Young is talking out of his Ass 🤣 good thing Steve isn't a NFL coach or works for a NFL FO but is part of the stupid say anything with no responsibility to generate fake news headlines nonsense hyped bored sports media 🤣

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by dj43:
It is up to Jimmy to decide which is of greater value to him; money or a ring.

If money is his greatest value, there are several teams, the Commanders being one of them, that could pay him $50M/yr with a hefty guarantee. The Texans are another.

If having a legit shot at a ring is his value, the 49ers can pay him $30M/yr and keep the core together in the process.

IMO, he will be disrespected much more if he chooses the top-of-the-market deal instead of a chance to help win a ring for his teammates.

The QB is the most important player on the team, hence draws the greatest percentage of the cap. Therefore, the values the QB holds will have the greatest impact on what the FO can put around him to win games. If Jimmy chooses money, we will have to deal with a QB who is "learning on the job." If that QB fails, there will be a lot of players and fans that will very upset at this playoff level roster not meeting expectations.

50 mil for Jimmy??? There is 0 chance of that happening. Even 30 is pushing it.

In context, I was responding to the suggestion that JG could get top money in a scenario where we win the Super Bowl and he continues to perform as he has the past three games. In such a case, there are teams that could pay him that much. He isn't worth that much, IMO, but I don't think Kyler Murray is worth that much either. Certainly Russel Wilson isn't earning his $49M/yr either.

However, JG is worth Derek Carr money and that is currently $40M/yr. For $30M/yr, you can get Matt Ryan or Ryan Tannehill.

The $30M/yr would be a slight raise from his prior contract, and with the huge increases in cap money coming in the next two years, $30M would be a bargain. Wait until next season when we see what Joe Burrow is going to get as he gets extended. $50M will be where the discussion starts for him.

Here is where I laid out how Spotrac sees it going. #137935

https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/189603-qb-jimmy-garoppolo-thread/page9196/

A lot of ifs would have to happen for Jimmy to see anything close to 50 mil a year. I just find it hard to believe that just 6 months ago no team wanted to trade for him, but now he's gonna make elite QB money.

It would be different if Jimmy was in his early/mid 20s, teams would pay for that potential (like Murray) or if he already had some all pro seasons (like Wilson)

If Jimmy continues to play like this, he could command around the 25-30 mil range, but I don't think any team is gonna give him a long term contract with a lot of guranteed money. There just isn't enough on the resume there. The league knows just how stacked this offense is, and whether it's fair to Jimmy or not, Kyle is still going to get a lot of the credit for Jimmy's success.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Steve Young says 10 more years Jimmy G. A big deal extension. But the WZ guys think they know more.

If Jimmy G even gets a 7 year extension here I'll ban my account, if not you get banned. You're very confident about this so I doubt you're gonna be wrong. Let's make the bet

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Himmy G🧊 pic.twitter.com/r4N7CJd7hh

— NFL GameDay (@NFLGameDay) November 25, 2022

I wonder why there is such a large discrepancy with pff? Pff has Jimmy at 71.2 passer rating when under pressure.

I still don't get where this "HIMMY" nick name came from lol

Agree Jimmy has to Parlay his last few weeks into a Groove for the rest of the season. Not every game needs to be perfect but two out of three should be low turnover football while still executing an increase in 10 plus air yard routes. the real test will come when our offensive line collapses and Jimmy gets sacked 3 4 5 times. Will he throw it away? Will he keep the ball off the ground? Or will he turn into a pumpkin? Panicky Jimmy launching prayers.

I'm optimistic

I think he will make the right choices now