Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Drew Brees switched teams and got a new coach and system. He didn't just magically get better. As far as Jimmy playing through injuries that was the end of last year not his entire career. He was injury free in 2019 and most of 2021. I see the same player now as I saw then. I'll say it one more time. Jimmy is playing well right now but that doesn't change who he is. As long as he's not forced to make big plays downfield and use his legs, he's more than adequate. With our defense and the way the receivers can run after the catch as well as the good running game, he probably won't need to throw those deep outs to win a game. That's fine with me but it doesn't mean I can't hope for an even better QB in the future.

MORE than fair assessment not like some people and CTE induced Steve Young ????

It's only "CTE induced" if you're speaking from a position of not understanding the context. In other words, if you got click baited by a title of an article which somewhat distorts Steve's point.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I'm happy that Jimmy ias played well the past 3 games since that helps the team. However I'm not going to be fooled into thinking that after 8+ seasons he suddenly got better.

This is the same Jimmy G we've seen since he's been here.The difference is he's stayed healthy and he has more weapons now. Oh and he's not throwing INTS. This team is loaded on offense at every spot. Plus several players that were injured early this year are back now. The entire team is playing better including Jimmy but his skillset hasn't changed a bit. Same short accurate passes with the occasional 20-25 yard throw down the middle. Kittle, Deebo and CMC racking up the YAC.

Yeah. Sounds like you're happy.

This is only the third true season we have seen with Jimmy. The other seasons hen was behind Brady. So let's stop using those years as evidence for making him look bad. And the other years he was injured. Even the 2nd year (last year) was marred by injury. So let's pump the brakes a bit on claiming we know who Jimmy is.

Who's making him look bad? I just said he's the same player he's always been. He's gone 3 games without an INT so that in of itself makes him look better but he's not throwing any more accurately than he always has. He's throwing the same type of passes he always has. His recewivers are racking up the YAC as always and he has one more really good weapon in CMC.

I'm not about to put him in the top 10 list anymore than I am Geno Smith. Both are have good years but neither is a top 10 QB. Please don't star twitht he stats. I don't care about those. I'm sure there are areas that Jimmy is ranked high but there are also areas that he ranks low. I just don't think a QB can improve much after being in the league as long as he has and playing in the same system now for his 6th year. We know what he is and so does the rest of the league.

To what extent do you think your subjective perception of Garoppolo is informed by what you've seen in years when he's played through injuries?

To your second paragraph, Drew Brees probably has something to say about your blanket rule that quarterbacks can't improve much after being in the league for some period of time. The Chargers made a mistake and lost out on the hall of fame part of his career.

Before you or anyone else flies off the handle, I'm not comparing the two players. I'm attacking the rule that disallows quarterback development after some period of time.

Drew Brees switched teams and got a new coach and system. He didn't just magically get better. As far as Jimmy playing through injuries that was the end of last year not his entire career. He was injury free in 2019 and most of 2021. I see the same player now as I saw then. I'll say it one more time. Jimmy is playing well right now but that doesn't change who he is. As long as he's not forced to make big plays downfield and use his legs, he's more than adequate. With our defense and the way the receivers can run after the catch as well as the good running game, he probably won't need to throw those deep outs to win a game. That's fine with me but it doesn't mean I can't hope for an even better QB in the future.

My point is your version of "who he is" is subjective and is informed by your assessment of the evidence. It's an opinion, and we disagree regarding the importance of nagging injuries to a quarterback's throwing shoulder and thumb as well as a torn ACL.

I didn't say Brees "magically" got better. He got better as a result of a lot of changes, both to his environment and to his own game. To say a quarterback can't change his game within the same (ever-evolving) system is vastly oversimplifying the equation.

No one is trying to stop you from hoping for an even better quarterback in the future. The issue is you're disqualifying Garoppolo from being that guy despite recent evidence to the contrary, and that bias is based on your reductive rule about quarterback development.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Sooner or later Jimmy is going to have to hit those wide open receivers downfield though. Just because we have had some drops earlier in the season doesn't mean we should abandon them completely.

He's hitting them a lot more this year than ever before. He's never going to hit ALL of them, all QB's miss throws. That said I do agree he should have hit Aiyuk on that post against Arizona.

I am not saying that he hasn't taken any this season. Probably more this season than in any other season. I really haven't seen him take any shots since the ATL game though. Perhaps I missed them? I just think he stopped throwing them because of all the drops and he would rather take the high percentage play. If the high percentage plays are there than keep taking them. But like I said, sooner or later he is going to have to hit those shot plays when they are open.

Dwelley against the Rams. Ray Ray against the Chargers (I know not "deep" but still downfield and very open big play). Jennings down the left side into the end zone against the Cardinals (that he dropped). Just a few I can think of.

That was really close on the Jennings pass in the endzone and a very good look. Forgot about the Dwelley pass and the Ray-Ray passes. The Ray-Ray ad lib play was one of Jimmy's best throws imo and it came off his back foot.

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
Can you read the last two sentences of my post?

Doesn't matter, Brees (a proven QB and HOF) shouldn't even be in the same sentence as Jimmy who is a backup QB right now whom no other team even wanted to trade a 2nd rd pick for, even if Jimmy wins the SB at the end of this season, is he better than a Nick Foles who has 1 probowl and was SB MVP? Probably not, and that's if he wins the SB at the end of the season and is SB MVP, think on that one for a second..

Good post.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Drew Brees switched teams and got a new coach and system. He didn't just magically get better. As far as Jimmy playing through injuries that was the end of last year not his entire career. He was injury free in 2019 and most of 2021. I see the same player now as I saw then. I'll say it one more time. Jimmy is playing well right now but that doesn't change who he is. As long as he's not forced to make big plays downfield and use his legs, he's more than adequate. With our defense and the way the receivers can run after the catch as well as the good running game, he probably won't need to throw those deep outs to win a game. That's fine with me but it doesn't mean I can't hope for an even better QB in the future.

MORE than fair assessment not like some people and CTE induced Steve Young ????

It's only "CTE induced" if you're speaking from a position of not understanding the context. In other words, if you got click baited by a title of an article which somewhat distorts Steve's point.

He also agreed with Steve when he was criticizing Jimmy. Now that he doesn't like what Steve is saying, he's s**tting on him and saying he has brain damage, and laughing about it. Imagine making fun of anyone having CTE, let alone a 49ers legend. Shameful and no place for it in this forum. Mods must be sleeping in today lol.

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
Can you read the last two sentences of my post?

Doesn't matter, Brees (a proven QB and HOF) shouldn't even be in the same sentence as Jimmy who is a backup QB right now whom no other team even wanted to trade a 2nd rd pick for, even if Jimmy wins the SB at the end of this season, is he better than a Nick Foles who has 1 probowl and was SB MVP? Probably not, and that's if he wins the SB at the end of the season and is SB MVP, think on that one for a second..

Good post.

Really? Because Foles has anywhere near the amount of sustained success that Jimmy has had? Stop it.

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
My point is your version of "who he is" is subjective and is informed by your assessment of the evidence. It's an opinion, and we disagree regarding the importance of nagging injuries to a quarterback's throwing shoulder and thumb as well as a torn ACL.

I didn't say Brees "magically" got better. He got better as a result of a lot of changes, both to his environment and to his own game. To say a quarterback can't change his game within the same (ever-evolving) system is vastly oversimplifying the equation.

No one is trying to stop you from hoping for an even better quarterback in the future. The issue is you're disqualifying Garoppolo from being that guy despite recent evidence to the contrary, and that bias is based on your reductive rule about quarterback development.

The point you fail to make is Brees has a way higher ceilings (IN FACT A HOF CEILING) and much more talents than Jimmy ever will have or possess, end of conversation.

Even if Jimmy wins a SB at the end of this season with this stacked team, Jimmy is still limited Jimmy and nothing more. He only had 2 games in his career so far with 4tds and no int which included the game vs AZ last Monday with still less than 300 yds with ALL the YAC says all.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:
I still don't get where this "HIMMY" nick name came from lol

In Spanish the "J " often isn't pronounced in proper names. Juan, Jose. Jacinto. I suspect it comes from that.

J is pronounced like an h in Spanish. For example, juego (play) is pronounced huego. Anarajado (orange, the color) is pronounced a nar an ha do. Narangja (orange, the fruit) is pronounced na rang ha.

And of course, the most internet famous of all: "Hahahahhaha" is translated to "jajajajjajajajaja" in Spanish.

Droppin knowledge as always.

Only coincidentally. I just happened to have taken nine years of Spanish. I was forced to in third through fifth grade, and then as a consequence, in Middle School and High School it became a slam-dunk A+ elective for me, so of course I'm take the classes.

Weirdly, hola is pronounced "ola." Leading h's are generally silent. It's almost as if h's are too ashamed to have a sound after j's went and took their lunch money.

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
My point is your version of "who he is" is subjective and is informed by your assessment of the evidence. It's an opinion, and we disagree regarding the importance of nagging injuries to a quarterback's throwing shoulder and thumb as well as a torn ACL.

I didn't say Brees "magically" got better. He got better as a result of a lot of changes, both to his environment and to his own game. To say a quarterback can't change his game within the same (ever-evolving) system is vastly oversimplifying the equation.

No one is trying to stop you from hoping for an even better quarterback in the future. The issue is you're disqualifying Garoppolo from being that guy despite recent evidence to the contrary, and that bias is based on your reductive rule about quarterback development.

The point you fail to make is Brees has a way higher ceilings (IN FACT A HOF CEILING) and much more talents than Jimmy ever will have or possess, end of conversation.

Dude the conversation is obviously soaring above your head. I hate the ignore feature because it makes conversations completely disjointed, but your idiotic posts are doing more harm in this instance. Take care.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Sooner or later Jimmy is going to have to hit those wide open receivers downfield though. Just because we have had some drops earlier in the season doesn't mean we should abandon them completely.

He's hitting them a lot more this year than ever before. He's never going to hit ALL of them, all QB's miss throws. That said I do agree he should have hit Aiyuk on that post against Arizona.

I am not saying that he hasn't taken any this season. Probably more this season than in any other season. I really haven't seen him take any shots since the ATL game though. Perhaps I missed them? I just think he stopped throwing them because of all the drops and he would rather take the high percentage play. If the high percentage plays are there than keep taking them. But like I said, sooner or later he is going to have to hit those shot plays when they are open.

Dwelley against the Rams. Ray Ray against the Chargers (I know not "deep" but still downfield and very open big play). Jennings down the left side into the end zone against the Cardinals (that he dropped). Just a few I can think of.

That was really close on the Jennings pass in the endzone and a very good look. Forgot about the Dwelley pass and the Ray-Ray passes. The Ray-Ray ad lib play was one of Jimmy's best throws imo and it came off his back foot.

There was another one to Jennings against the Cardinals (I think) where Jennings tripped on his own feet. It wasn't super deep but still 30-35 yards or so downfield. What I like about the shots he's taking is they are one on one looks. He's not throwing it up for grabs to one WR and two DB's. He and Kyle seem to be slowly pushing the needle towards higher risk/higher reward throws, while simultaneously cutting down on bonehead plays. It's great to see.

I listened to the full interview with Steve Young, awesome commentary from him. If anyone knows the feeling of being the scapegoat and having to rise from the ashes (multiple times) it's Steve. His perspective on this journey of Jimmy's is pretty cool.

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
Dude the conversation is obviously soaring above your head. I hate the ignore feature because it makes conversations completely disjointed, but your idiotic posts are doing more harm in this instance. Take care.

Even if Jimmy wins a SB at the end of this season with this stacked team, Jimmy is still limited Jimmy and nothing more. He only had 2 games in his career so far with 4tds and no int which included the game vs AZ last Monday with still less than 300 yds with ALL the YAC says all.

BTW I was going to do the same to you when you said unreal when facts are real but my ignore list is full, so go ahead and put my posts on ignore so we don't have to respond to each other anymore, bye bye 🤣

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
I just figured if I'm going to bring up CAY/A having a slight positive correlation with winning, and INTs/game having a less than expected correlation with losing, that I ought to point out that TD% is one of the best indicators of winning quarterback play. And Jimmy through his career has usually done pretty good.

i mean TD% is obviously important but as a stat its kind of misleading what about if we run it in? that doesn't really come up as TD% but obviously TD% will correlate higher to winning because higher TD% = more points

what i look at is how the offense function
yards/play
points/drive

to me those two are the most important stats into how the QB and offense is functioning

One problem is that both of them are less dependent on the QB than TD%.

I'm too lazy right now to look at the correlation with win% with the two stats you mentioned, but two things are more important than TD% and are highly dependent on QB play: passes for first downs (1D%), and passes for first down on third down (3D%). And before you even ask, Jimmy usually does outstanding at both. Last year he was top 10 in both.

Moving the chains is, among all the things I've personally looked at statistically, the biggest indicator of whether or not a QB wins. My guess would be that red zone passing is way up there too, but those numbers aren't easily accessible so I don't bother with it.

But if you're wondering why Jimmy "just wins," a huge part of it is 1D% and 3D%.

Case in point:
https://www.ninersnation.com/platform/amp/2022/11/25/23476548/49ers-jimmy-garoppolo-third-downs

When the 49ers are winning, it's usually because Jimmy is magic on third down.

Jimmy is majic on 3rd downs......

It seems like you didn't understand the sentence. WHEN the 49ers are winning, it's generally because Jimmy is doing very well on third down.

Nope, I understand what magic means.

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
Can you read the last two sentences of my post?

Doesn't matter, Brees (a proven QB and HOF) shouldn't even be in the same sentence as Jimmy who is a backup QB right now whom no other team even wanted to trade a 2nd rd pick for, even if Jimmy wins the SB at the end of this season, is he better than a Nick Foles who has 1 probowl and was SB MVP? Probably not, and that's if he wins the SB at the end of the season and is SB MVP, think on that one for a second..

Good post.

Sorry, i meant really good post.

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
Can you read the last two sentences of my post?

Doesn't matter, Brees (a proven QB and HOF) shouldn't even be in the same sentence as Jimmy who is a backup QB right now whom no other team even wanted to trade a 2nd rd pick for, even if Jimmy wins the SB at the end of this season, is he better than a Nick Foles who has 1 probowl and was SB MVP? Probably not, and that's if he wins the SB at the end of the season and is SB MVP, think on that one for a second..

Good post.

Sorry, i meant really good post.

Oh you're feeding the trolls today. My bad. Carry on.

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
Dude the conversation is obviously soaring above your head. I hate the ignore feature because it makes conversations completely disjointed, but your idiotic posts are doing more harm in this instance. Take care.

Even if Jimmy wins a SB at the end of this season with this stacked team, Jimmy is still limited Jimmy and nothing more. He only had 2 games in his career so far with 4tds and no int which included the game vs AZ last Monday with still less than 300 yds with ALL the YAC says all.

BTW I was going to do the same to you when you said unreal when facts are real but my ignore list is full, so go ahead and put my posts on ignore so we don't have to respond to each other anymore, bye bye 🤣

Come on!
Give him 40 million, 10 year fully guaranteed and the yellow coat.

Just stop.