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Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams
Nov 30, 2022 at 6:00 AM
- RiceOwensStokes
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Nov 30, 2022 at 6:44 AM
- ChillninDaBay
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Let's be realistic atm (if 100% healthy and if they were to switch teams and started at the beginning of this season with their new teams):
Jimmy is probably better than QB1 in: CAR, HOU, CLE, PIT, JAX, NYJ, IND, NO, CHI
Debatable: SEA, ATL, LV, NYG, NE, WAS, DET
Not better: CIN, LAC, LAR, TB, KC, DAL, BUF, BAL, TEN, MIA, DEN, PHI, GB, AZ, MIN
With some debatable QB1s slightly debatable if they are better depending on each person's opinion but most if switched teams at the start of the season would probably be better than Jimmy..
Note: only 9 teams have definitely lesser QBs which isn't much and that's only 28% of the NFL which is about right and why no team risk a 2nd round pick to trade for Jimmy considering his previous big contract and late shoulder surgery and why he came back on a backup deal only for this season as insurance which was a genius move by the 9er FO if they couldn't and didn't get a 2nd round pick for him, the second best option that unfortunately turned out to be the best option due to Treys injury early on.
Also consider next season, the biggest question is can Trey be better than 28%+ of starting QB1 in the NFL? Probably and he's still on his rookie contract which isn't much so bring Jimmy back again next season on another big contract big money deal is close to out of the question, let the other 28% lesser QB teams have him and bid for him next season as a FA 😉 and I doubt he would do better with a lesser roster and or coaching staff and play caller, THAT'S THE REALITY.
As I have said before, THIS IS JIMMY'S LAST CHANCE with the 9ers, he better make the best out of it (with this improved roster from last season which is pretty much a SB caliber one) for his own pockets sake (incentive-laden deal) and NFL future (earnings)..
Jimmy is probably better than QB1 in: CAR, HOU, CLE, PIT, JAX, NYJ, IND, NO, CHI
Debatable: SEA, ATL, LV, NYG, NE, WAS, DET
Not better: CIN, LAC, LAR, TB, KC, DAL, BUF, BAL, TEN, MIA, DEN, PHI, GB, AZ, MIN
With some debatable QB1s slightly debatable if they are better depending on each person's opinion but most if switched teams at the start of the season would probably be better than Jimmy..
Note: only 9 teams have definitely lesser QBs which isn't much and that's only 28% of the NFL which is about right and why no team risk a 2nd round pick to trade for Jimmy considering his previous big contract and late shoulder surgery and why he came back on a backup deal only for this season as insurance which was a genius move by the 9er FO if they couldn't and didn't get a 2nd round pick for him, the second best option that unfortunately turned out to be the best option due to Treys injury early on.
Also consider next season, the biggest question is can Trey be better than 28%+ of starting QB1 in the NFL? Probably and he's still on his rookie contract which isn't much so bring Jimmy back again next season on another big contract big money deal is close to out of the question, let the other 28% lesser QB teams have him and bid for him next season as a FA 😉 and I doubt he would do better with a lesser roster and or coaching staff and play caller, THAT'S THE REALITY.
As I have said before, THIS IS JIMMY'S LAST CHANCE with the 9ers, he better make the best out of it (with this improved roster from last season which is pretty much a SB caliber one) for his own pockets sake (incentive-laden deal) and NFL future (earnings)..
[ Edited by ChillninDaBay on Nov 30, 2022 at 7:01 AM ]
Nov 30, 2022 at 7:27 AM
- random49er
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Originally posted by Goatie:
Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Originally posted by Goatie:
He will be back. The organization love him, as does the locker room and he is delivering more than Young and Montana
What does this mean?
JG has won more games as a 49er then both Young and Montana and has a better win/loss ratio.
Would love for TheWooLick to reply to this. But I know he won't touch it with a 10 ft poll.
Nov 30, 2022 at 7:29 AM
- Waterbear
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Originally posted by random49er:
=Originally posted by Goatie:
Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Originally posted by Goatie:
He will be back. The organization love him, as does the locker room and he is delivering more than Young and Montana
What does this mean?
JG has won more games as a 49er then both Young and Montana and has a better win/loss ratio.
Would love for TheWooLick to reply to this. But I know he won't touch it with a 10 ft poll.
So now that's two posters who think Jimmy is better than Steve Young. But yeah, Jimmy's under appreciated.
Nov 30, 2022 at 8:14 AM
- Furlow
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Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by random49er:
=Originally posted by Goatie:
Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Originally posted by Goatie:
He will be back. The organization love him, as does the locker room and he is delivering more than Young and Montana
What does this mean?
JG has won more games as a 49er then both Young and Montana and has a better win/loss ratio.
Would love for TheWooLick to reply to this. But I know he won't touch it with a 10 ft poll.
So now that's two posters who think Jimmy is better than Steve Young. But yeah, Jimmy's under appreciated.
A whole two?? It's like a Jimmy G festival in here!
Nov 30, 2022 at 8:15 AM
- Furlow
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Originally posted by TD49ers:
Originally posted by Goatie:
Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:
Originally posted by Wubbie:
Yeah, it makes some sense to do it, but the logistics of HOW are the problem.
After pulling the trigger on CMC, they committed more so to a "Win NOW" mentality. I really do believe Trey Lance has a future in this league, but his development was set back by a year when he got injured. Trying to roll with Trey next year might hurt the window that we have with this roster.
But yeah... My prediction is that Jimmy's going to finish this season strong. We're moving toward a pass-first offense, he's playing well, and the offense is presumably going to get better over the last six games. He'll have strong statistical numbers numbers and hopefully should have a solid playoff run. That's a good situation for us this year, but it really muddies up our decision-making in the offseason at the QB position.
If Jimmy does well in the rest of the regular season and playoffs, he's going to have suitors. He's going to have the opportunity to get paid well, guaranteed money, on a multi-year contract. Even if Jimmy was okay with coming back and having Trey breathing down his neck (I doubt that), we're not going to commit to him and give him guaranteed money if we view Trey Lance as the QB of the Future.
I just don't see it happening if they have Trey Lance on the roster. To re-sign Jimmy, they'd have to make a tough call.
There is a reason Jimmy is on a backup deal for just this season... he won't be back, but at least "they" or "we" are finally getting "their" or "our" money's worth kind of 🤣
Definitely find out at the end of the season but at least he was only pay backup money for this year, like I have already said, genius move really 🤣
He will be back. The organization love him, as does the locker room and he is delivering more than Young and Montana
I cant believe you typed this on a 49er forum and no one says a word. This is why the JG Fan club lack any creditability. Ridiculous.
I have a 4 year old so I go to bed early. Goatie is tripping for that one. But the haters need to relax. Y'all NEVER call out the extremists.
[ Edited by Furlow on Nov 30, 2022 at 8:18 AM ]
Nov 30, 2022 at 8:18 AM
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Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by Goatie:
Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:
Originally posted by Wubbie:
Yeah, it makes some sense to do it, but the logistics of HOW are the problem.
After pulling the trigger on CMC, they committed more so to a "Win NOW" mentality. I really do believe Trey Lance has a future in this league, but his development was set back by a year when he got injured. Trying to roll with Trey next year might hurt the window that we have with this roster.
But yeah... My prediction is that Jimmy's going to finish this season strong. We're moving toward a pass-first offense, he's playing well, and the offense is presumably going to get better over the last six games. He'll have strong statistical numbers numbers and hopefully should have a solid playoff run. That's a good situation for us this year, but it really muddies up our decision-making in the offseason at the QB position.
If Jimmy does well in the rest of the regular season and playoffs, he's going to have suitors. He's going to have the opportunity to get paid well, guaranteed money, on a multi-year contract. Even if Jimmy was okay with coming back and having Trey breathing down his neck (I doubt that), we're not going to commit to him and give him guaranteed money if we view Trey Lance as the QB of the Future.
I just don't see it happening if they have Trey Lance on the roster. To re-sign Jimmy, they'd have to make a tough call.
There is a reason Jimmy is on a backup deal for just this season... he won't be back, but at least "they" or "we" are finally getting "their" or "our" money's worth kind of 🤣
Definitely find out at the end of the season but at least he was only pay backup money for this year, like I have already said, genius move really 🤣
He will be back. The organization love him, as does the locker room and he is delivering more than Young and Montana
I'm one of Jimmy's biggest supporters, but this is a bit much.
Nov 30, 2022 at 8:26 AM
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Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by random49er:
=Originally posted by Goatie:
Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Originally posted by Goatie:
He will be back. The organization love him, as does the locker room and he is delivering more than Young and Montana
What does this mean?
JG has won more games as a 49er then both Young and Montana and has a better win/loss ratio.
Would love for TheWooLick to reply to this. But I know he won't touch it with a 10 ft poll.
So now that's two posters who think Jimmy is better than Steve Young. But yeah, Jimmy's under appreciated.
A whole two?? It's like a Jimmy G festival in here!
LOL... if someone said Geno Smith was better than Jimmy you'd have a cow. But no big deal when people claim Jimmy's better than multiple HOFers.
Nov 30, 2022 at 8:30 AM
- Furlow
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Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by random49er:
=Originally posted by Goatie:
Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Originally posted by Goatie:
He will be back. The organization love him, as does the locker room and he is delivering more than Young and Montana
What does this mean?
JG has won more games as a 49er then both Young and Montana and has a better win/loss ratio.
Would love for TheWooLick to reply to this. But I know he won't touch it with a 10 ft poll.
So now that's two posters who think Jimmy is better than Steve Young. But yeah, Jimmy's under appreciated.
A whole two?? It's like a Jimmy G festival in here!
LOL... if someone said Geno Smith was better than Jimmy you'd have a cow. But no big deal when people claim Jimmy's better than multiple HOFers.
1) Geno is on another team, so of course the reaction from 49ers fans would be more harsh
2) I did say something about Goatie. Not sure who else said Jimmy is better than Steve Young. Both (whoever it is) are being ridiculous.
3) It's only two people yet you're trying to make the point that Jimmy being under appreciated is false. When there were literally 1/3 of respondents who said they would trade him right now, during the season, for two first round picks, which would effectively end our season.
4) You Jimmy haters NEVER call out the extremist haters. Ever. So save me the violin music and crying about Jimmy supporters not responding to ALL TWO (whoever the 2nd is) posters who said Jimmy is better than Steve.
Nov 30, 2022 at 8:42 AM
- 49ersRing
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Originally posted by Goatie:
Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Originally posted by Goatie:
He will be back. The organization love him, as does the locker room and he is delivering more than Young and Montana
What does this mean?
JG has won more games as a 49er then both Young and Montana and has a better win/loss ratio.
That's not true. Steve was 91-33 as a 49er. Montana was 100-39. That image going around is only talking about their first 59 starts.
Nov 30, 2022 at 8:52 AM
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Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by Goatie:
Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Originally posted by Goatie:
He will be back. The organization love him, as does the locker room and he is delivering more than Young and Montana
What does this mean?
JG has won more games as a 49er then both Young and Montana and has a better win/loss ratio.
That's not true. Steve was 91-33 as a 49er. Montana was 100-39. That image going around is only talking about their first 59 starts.
It also doesn't take into consideration that Montana had 6starts in 1980 before the Niners were a good team and another 7 in the strike year when he played with a bunch of walk-ons. That's a classic example of cherrypicking. Sort out the stats and pick a number that makes your guy look good.
Just be satisfied that he's the best we've had since Jeff Garcia. That's fine with me until we get someone better.
Nov 30, 2022 at 8:58 AM
- 9erson3
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No I don't have a crystal ball. I get tired of hearing that one but I have some common sense. The "will Jiimmy be back next year" is such click bait. It's seems some of you all should have been around the block enough to realize that. Clicks equal money.
This regime and Kyle went to extreme measures to draft Trey. Huge! We haven't even taken the plastic wrapping off the package yet. Trey is QB1. Jimmy is a back-up. Repeat Trey is QB1. It's a dirty rotten shame he couldn't have started last year, and not have been injured this year. With this offense it might have been KC like. Or maybe just 49ers dream offense. I would think many here are smart enough to realize behind closed doors with Jimmy and Trey still stands true. Nothing has changed. Trey will step on the field next season. To think otherwise is nuts. And it will probably be year after next that we reap the rewards as Trey will need to grow most likely as with any new QB on the field.
I appreciate what Jimmy has done and glad we have him as a backup but I envision bigger and better things down the road at the position. That is supporting the current situation, not being a hater but realizing what the regime has done to draft a new QB and NOTHING has changed except timing of replacement.
This regime and Kyle went to extreme measures to draft Trey. Huge! We haven't even taken the plastic wrapping off the package yet. Trey is QB1. Jimmy is a back-up. Repeat Trey is QB1. It's a dirty rotten shame he couldn't have started last year, and not have been injured this year. With this offense it might have been KC like. Or maybe just 49ers dream offense. I would think many here are smart enough to realize behind closed doors with Jimmy and Trey still stands true. Nothing has changed. Trey will step on the field next season. To think otherwise is nuts. And it will probably be year after next that we reap the rewards as Trey will need to grow most likely as with any new QB on the field.
I appreciate what Jimmy has done and glad we have him as a backup but I envision bigger and better things down the road at the position. That is supporting the current situation, not being a hater but realizing what the regime has done to draft a new QB and NOTHING has changed except timing of replacement.
[ Edited by 9erson3 on Nov 30, 2022 at 8:59 AM ]
Nov 30, 2022 at 9:00 AM
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Jimmy is finally doing a good job of beating the teams he is supposed to beat. Putting up 14 points on the Saints is not a great look for us, but I will take it.
I just wish we could have beaten the Broncos & Falcons.
I just wish we could have beaten the Broncos & Falcons.
[ Edited by glorydayz on Nov 30, 2022 at 9:02 AM ]
Nov 30, 2022 at 9:05 AM
- Waterbear
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Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by random49er:
=Originally posted by Goatie:
Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Originally posted by Goatie:
He will be back. The organization love him, as does the locker room and he is delivering more than Young and Montana
What does this mean?
JG has won more games as a 49er then both Young and Montana and has a better win/loss ratio.
Would love for TheWooLick to reply to this. But I know he won't touch it with a 10 ft poll.
So now that's two posters who think Jimmy is better than Steve Young. But yeah, Jimmy's under appreciated.
A whole two?? It's like a Jimmy G festival in here!
LOL... if someone said Geno Smith was better than Jimmy you'd have a cow. But no big deal when people claim Jimmy's better than multiple HOFers.
1) Geno is on another team, so of course the reaction from 49ers fans would be more harsh
2) I did say something about Goatie. Not sure who else said Jimmy is better than Steve Young. Both (whoever it is) are being ridiculous.
3) It's only two people yet you're trying to make the point that Jimmy being under appreciated is false. When there were literally 1/3 of respondents who said they would trade him right now, during the season, for two first round picks, which would effectively end our season.
4) You Jimmy haters NEVER call out the extremist haters. Ever. So save me the violin music and crying about Jimmy supporters not responding to ALL TWO (whoever the 2nd is) posters who said Jimmy is better than Steve.
Well the to the 4th point… I have called out unfair statements about Jimmy many… many times. Idk why every time I respond to you, you act like I have to prove I'm not a Jimmy hater. I'd rather not do that again this morning.
Nov 30, 2022 at 9:10 AM
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Originally posted by glorydayz:
Jimmy is finally doing a good job of beating the teams he is supposed to beat. Putting up 14 points on the Saints is not a great look for us, but I will take it.
I just wish we could have beaten the Broncos & Falcons.
Two road games in a row on the east coast, I am sure, took a toll on them. So the ATL game doesn't bother me as much. Those losses to CHI and DEN did bother me though. They were very winnable games.