Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by RiceOwensStokes:

Here is a good example of why raw data is hardly worth the cyberspace it is printed on. I'll just leave it at that...

Right, Running game and defense should have win loss records as well.

Yeah. So should catchers, 1st basemen, outfielders, etc. Hell they should do it for assistant coaches like they do for head coaches too, I mean assistants do most of the work. And the training staff! They keep the players healthy, without them the team wouldn't win.

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Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
What part of my poll showed bias? I'd love to hear this.

He was the only player included in the poll. The poll about who is holding us back. That would be one part.

There was two options in the poll and the results were very close to 50/50. I'll ask again, what part of the poll was biased?

My issue with that poll is it didn't include options such as player execution or injuries. It was biased because it made it seem like the issue was either Kyle or Jimmy and tbh neither choice was the correct one.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
What part of my poll showed bias? I'd love to hear this.

He was the only player included in the poll. The poll about who is holding us back. That would be one part.

There was two options in the poll and the results were very close to 50/50. I'll ask again, what part of the poll was biased?

I like your stuff mate and if you want to lay blame at JGs feet I totally respect it. That's a valid take. I don't agree but I respect that point of view 100%

I do think singling out one player to take the blame is pretty much the very definition of bias. That's just my opinion tho I could be wrong.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
What part of my poll showed bias? I'd love to hear this.

He was the only player included in the poll. The poll about who is holding us back. That would be one part.

There was two options in the poll and the results were very close to 50/50. I'll ask again, what part of the poll was biased?

My issue with that poll is it didn't include options such as player execution or injuries. It was biased because it made it seem like the issue was either Kyle or Jimmy and tbh neither choice was the correct one.

Oh, I agree with you, the question itself was incredibly simplistic and stupid if I'm being honest. I admitted that several pages into the thread.

What I found hilarious were the people saying it was biased against Jimmy only. Someone said that and Kyle Shanahan was leading in votes at the time and not one person said it was unfair or biased against Kyle. Which kinda proves my point.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by Wubbie:
Yeah, it makes some sense to do it, but the logistics of HOW are the problem.
After pulling the trigger on CMC, they committed more so to a "Win NOW" mentality. I really do believe Trey Lance has a future in this league, but his development was set back by a year when he got injured. Trying to roll with Trey next year might hurt the window that we have with this roster.

But yeah... My prediction is that Jimmy's going to finish this season strong. We're moving toward a pass-first offense, he's playing well, and the offense is presumably going to get better over the last six games. He'll have strong statistical numbers numbers and hopefully should have a solid playoff run. That's a good situation for us this year, but it really muddies up our decision-making in the offseason at the QB position.

If Jimmy does well in the rest of the regular season and playoffs, he's going to have suitors. He's going to have the opportunity to get paid well, guaranteed money, on a multi-year contract. Even if Jimmy was okay with coming back and having Trey breathing down his neck (I doubt that), we're not going to commit to him and give him guaranteed money if we view Trey Lance as the QB of the Future.

I just don't see it happening if they have Trey Lance on the roster. To re-sign Jimmy, they'd have to make a tough call.

There is a reason Jimmy is on a backup deal for just this season... he won't be back, but at least "they" or "we" are finally getting "their" or "our" money's worth kind of 🤣
Definitely find out at the end of the season but at least he was only pay backup money for this year, like I have already said, genius move really 🤣

He will be back. The organization love him, as does the locker room and he is delivering more than Young and Montana

I'm one of Jimmy's biggest supporters, but this is a bit much.

Couldn't help yourself... could you? Lol

Originally posted by Polkadots:

Originally posted by Franchise408:
Just because it's what *will* happen doesn't mean it's what *should* happen.

Trey Lance shouldn't be here in the first place. No trade should have been made to move up in the draft. Jimmy shouldn't be run out of town in favor of a new shiny flashy that hasn't shown anything whatsoever. We saw the same thing with Kaepernick, and within 2 years the franchise was tanked for the foreseeable future, until Jimmy got here.

Should is irrelevant. You can't unring the bell.

Only two outcomes are likely. Either, JG balls out and prices himself out of the 49ers' range. Or JG's play regresses, and he plays himself out of the 49ers' QB1 role.

If JG balls out, he is going to get offers. Regardless of his past, regardless of injuries, etc. He will get a monstrous contract. The 49ers will not match said contract, especially given Trey has minimal trade value at the moment (I assume, since he will be three years into his NFL career in 2023, with about 250 minutes played).

If JG's play drops off, why would the 49ers bring him back? And if they did, given the prior assumption of average / poor play, that would be the death knell for Trey.

There is no JG next year, with the caveat being Trey isn't a bust in the eyes of the 49ers. If you see JG return, it's because they don't see Trey as the future. I don't see that happening.

As for JG, I am tickled pink he is here this year, because 2022 would be done without him (sorry Brock). I think this is a big week for JG, because the offense is going to need to show up. I don't think the 49ers' D is holding the Dolphins to < 17 points, and even that I think is a bit low. As I said in another post, I expect 24-27 points, minimum, for the 49ers to win. And I expect JG and the 49ers to deliver.

Monster contract? I don't know, man. Even going to the most extreme - Jimmy averages 300 yards and 3 TD's per game from here on out and wins Super Bowl MVP, I don't think that erases his injury history and turnover-prone ways from the past. I don't see a GM giving him top 3 QB money ($50m/year). Would he elevate above his current projection of $30-$33m/year? Sure. But he's on the wrong side of his physical prime so I don't see a team going more than 4 years, $35-$40m. Just my two cents.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by Wubbie:
Yeah, it makes some sense to do it, but the logistics of HOW are the problem.
After pulling the trigger on CMC, they committed more so to a "Win NOW" mentality. I really do believe Trey Lance has a future in this league, but his development was set back by a year when he got injured. Trying to roll with Trey next year might hurt the window that we have with this roster.

But yeah... My prediction is that Jimmy's going to finish this season strong. We're moving toward a pass-first offense, he's playing well, and the offense is presumably going to get better over the last six games. He'll have strong statistical numbers numbers and hopefully should have a solid playoff run. That's a good situation for us this year, but it really muddies up our decision-making in the offseason at the QB position.

If Jimmy does well in the rest of the regular season and playoffs, he's going to have suitors. He's going to have the opportunity to get paid well, guaranteed money, on a multi-year contract. Even if Jimmy was okay with coming back and having Trey breathing down his neck (I doubt that), we're not going to commit to him and give him guaranteed money if we view Trey Lance as the QB of the Future.

I just don't see it happening if they have Trey Lance on the roster. To re-sign Jimmy, they'd have to make a tough call.

There is a reason Jimmy is on a backup deal for just this season... he won't be back, but at least "they" or "we" are finally getting "their" or "our" money's worth kind of 🤣
Definitely find out at the end of the season but at least he was only pay backup money for this year, like I have already said, genius move really 🤣

He will be back. The organization love him, as does the locker room and he is delivering more than Young and Montana

I'm one of Jimmy's biggest supporters, but this is a bit much.

Couldn't help yourself... could you? Lol

Ring cracks me up, man. Lol

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I like your stuff mate and if you want to lay blame at JGs feet I totally respect it. That's a valid take. I don't agree but I respect that point of view 100%

I do think singling out one player to take the blame is pretty much the very definition of bias. That's just my opinion tho I could be wrong.

Doesn't the opposite have to be true as well? Wouldn't it be equally wrong to single out one player to heap credit upon?

It's seems obvious blaming / crediting any one individual, in a team sport, is wrong.

Originally posted by Furlow:
Monster contract? I don't know, man. Even going to the most extreme - Jimmy averages 300 yards and 3 TD's per game from here on out and wins Super Bowl MVP, I don't think that erases his injury history and turnover-prone ways from the past. I don't see a GM giving him top 3 QB money ($50m/year). Would he elevate above his current projection of $30-$33m/year? Sure. But he's on the wrong side of his physical prime so I don't see a team going more than 4 years, $35-$40m. Just my two cents.

How much guaranteed? Because this is all that Jimmy will be going for

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by Wubbie:
Yeah, it makes some sense to do it, but the logistics of HOW are the problem.
After pulling the trigger on CMC, they committed more so to a "Win NOW" mentality. I really do believe Trey Lance has a future in this league, but his development was set back by a year when he got injured. Trying to roll with Trey next year might hurt the window that we have with this roster.

But yeah... My prediction is that Jimmy's going to finish this season strong. We're moving toward a pass-first offense, he's playing well, and the offense is presumably going to get better over the last six games. He'll have strong statistical numbers numbers and hopefully should have a solid playoff run. That's a good situation for us this year, but it really muddies up our decision-making in the offseason at the QB position.

If Jimmy does well in the rest of the regular season and playoffs, he's going to have suitors. He's going to have the opportunity to get paid well, guaranteed money, on a multi-year contract. Even if Jimmy was okay with coming back and having Trey breathing down his neck (I doubt that), we're not going to commit to him and give him guaranteed money if we view Trey Lance as the QB of the Future.

I just don't see it happening if they have Trey Lance on the roster. To re-sign Jimmy, they'd have to make a tough call.

There is a reason Jimmy is on a backup deal for just this season... he won't be back, but at least "they" or "we" are finally getting "their" or "our" money's worth kind of 🤣
Definitely find out at the end of the season but at least he was only pay backup money for this year, like I have already said, genius move really 🤣

He will be back. The organization love him, as does the locker room and he is delivering more than Young and Montana

I'm one of Jimmy's biggest supporters, but this is a bit much.

Couldn't help yourself... could you? Lol

Ring cracks me up, man. Lol

He was obviously baiting you so why take it? Makes you look worse...lol

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
What part of my poll showed bias? I'd love to hear this.

He was the only player included in the poll. The poll about who is holding us back. That would be one part.

There was two options in the poll and the results were very close to 50/50. I'll ask again, what part of the poll was biased?

I like your stuff mate and if you want to lay blame at JGs feet I totally respect it. That's a valid take. I don't agree but I respect that point of view 100%

I do think singling out one player to take the blame is pretty much the very definition of bias. That's just my opinion tho I could be wrong.

I've never… I repeat NEVER have blamed Jimmy solely for our struggles. I gave Jimmy a lot of love for his game vs the Falcons where the offense scored 14 points, as well as the Rams games, Carolina, and Arizona.

I said Jimmy was part of the problem vs the chiefs, Chargers, and Saints. And that Jimmy's play vs Denver was our biggest problem. He still wasn't the only problem.

I've repeatedly said that Jimmy's an easy player to root for and probably one of the most likable QBs we've ever had. I really like Trey's personality as well. I'll be rooting for him as long as he's in a 49er uniform.

Im not sure how calling out someone who's acting like Jimmy's better than Steve Young and Joe Montana makes you think I'm biased against Jimmy but okay.

Originally posted by Polkadots:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I like your stuff mate and if you want to lay blame at JGs feet I totally respect it. That's a valid take. I don't agree but I respect that point of view 100%

I do think singling out one player to take the blame is pretty much the very definition of bias. That's just my opinion tho I could be wrong.

Doesn't the opposite have to be true as well? Wouldn't it be equally wrong to single out one player to heap credit upon?

It's seems obvious blaming / crediting any one individual, in a team sport, is wrong.

I agree 100%

Originally posted by Furlow:
Monster contract? I don't know, man. Even going to the most extreme - Jimmy averages 300 yards and 3 TD's per game from here on out and wins Super Bowl MVP, I don't think that erases his injury history and turnover-prone ways from the past. I don't see a GM giving him top 3 QB money ($50m/year). Would he elevate above his current projection of $30-$33m/year? Sure. But he's on the wrong side of his physical prime so I don't see a team going more than 4 years, $35-$40m. Just my two cents.

The assumption prior to "monstrous contract" was that JG balls out this year. Again, with that assumption in play, JG hitting the open market would make him close to, if not the #1 option, for most teams looking for a QB1. I do not think he is worth top three money, but given the way QB contracts are moving, the salary cap, etc., $45M-$50M wouldn't surprise me. And again, because here on the Zone you have to point things out ten times (not referring to you specifically), this all assumes JG balls out through the end of this year.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:

Originally posted by Wubbie:
Yeah, it makes some sense to do it, but the logistics of HOW are the problem.
After pulling the trigger on CMC, they committed more so to a "Win NOW" mentality. I really do believe Trey Lance has a future in this league, but his development was set back by a year when he got injured. Trying to roll with Trey next year might hurt the window that we have with this roster.

But yeah... My prediction is that Jimmy's going to finish this season strong. We're moving toward a pass-first offense, he's playing well, and the offense is presumably going to get better over the last six games. He'll have strong statistical numbers numbers and hopefully should have a solid playoff run. That's a good situation for us this year, but it really muddies up our decision-making in the offseason at the QB position.

If Jimmy does well in the rest of the regular season and playoffs, he's going to have suitors. He's going to have the opportunity to get paid well, guaranteed money, on a multi-year contract. Even if Jimmy was okay with coming back and having Trey breathing down his neck (I doubt that), we're not going to commit to him and give him guaranteed money if we view Trey Lance as the QB of the Future.

I just don't see it happening if they have Trey Lance on the roster. To re-sign Jimmy, they'd have to make a tough call.

There is a reason Jimmy is on a backup deal for just this season... he won't be back, but at least "they" or "we" are finally getting "their" or "our" money's worth kind of 🤣
Definitely find out at the end of the season but at least he was only pay backup money for this year, like I have already said, genius move really 🤣

He will be back. The organization love him, as does the locker room and he is delivering more than Young and Montana

I'm one of Jimmy's biggest supporters, but this is a bit much.

Couldn't help yourself... could you? Lol

Ring cracks me up, man. Lol

He was obviously baiting you so why take it? Makes you look worse...lol

Obviously he's trolling, but so are you (to a milder degree) and I still respond to you.